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That is why Russia is weak and alone.
That is why US/NATO are on it’s doorstep.

It sold Iran out for lies and false promises. It backed sanctions on Iran and believed the US when it said the missile shield in Europe was for Iranian missiles.

Well karma is truly a bitch. Russia now has Missile shields and US military on its borders and lost its last major ally and Soviet Union satellite country (Ukraine) to the West.

Saddam is gone (Russia didn’t help
That ally).
Gaddafi is gone (Russia didn’t help that ally).
Ukraine is gone (half *** effort by Russia to save it)
Arabs are aligned with US so Russia has no in roads there.

Outside of poor Syria and crumbling Venezuela, NO ONE likes Russia.

China expanded its power, but doesn’t throw Pakistan under the bus to achieve a quick concession from the West. Because China like Iran thinks decades ahead not months like the Russians. China is a real global power and not some spurned Whore who is desperate to Get their former lover’s attention and respect.

Russia will pay for its actions across history and not one country will lift a finger to help it.

At the end of the day Russia envies Iran as a rising power both in competing spaces (natural gas) and military/influence. Iran has allies and deep relationships across the Middle East, something Russia cannot even do in Europe in its own backyard.

Russia has no allies no friends, hell US bombed 300 Russian mercenaries and Russia agreed with the US! This is a bi ghayrat country.

Anyone who supports Russia is a Vatan foroosh and no different than the likes of Rouhani and Co who think by groveling and capitulating to the US they can be accepted by the West.

No, preserving your own interests doesnt make you weak and alone.
But barking at someone who is supporting you definitely does.

Though your theory that all Russia's problems are the result of Russia's unwillingness to satisfy all wishes and requests of other countries was funny.

BTW US never bombed 300 Russian mercenaries, stop parroting this BS. And do something about Israel first, before touching this topic. Have some shame at least.
 
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I have to jump in to this Russia bashing...In this one I am with Russia...why ..because as the famous war criminal Winston Churchil said."countries do not have friends ..they have interests". So why are we Iranians so upset when Russia is looking after her own interests..Being friend with Iran does not make them enemy of our enemies.....and if some one offers them to give up Iran and gain some thing in return of course they should do that...we are not in a school yard...But I know the Iranian way of life is to stick with your friends to the end..and that is fine but do not expect others to have the same code of conduct..Make your Bavar and the hell with them all..the strength should come from within.

The only issue is zionism is not the interest of Russia or Putin. That is why the Chinese path is the way out of our European mess. They are not screwed up, many European are, independence though Huawei and Chinese firms and Chinese friendship. We need friends, Chinese don't. Putin independence will come from Beijing, not from hell aviv.
 
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No, preserving your own interests doesnt make you weak and alone.
But barking at someone who is supporting you definitely does.

Though your theory that all Russia's problems are the result of Russia's unwillingness to satisfy all wishes and requests of other countries was funny.

BTW US never bombed 300 Russian mercenaries, stop parroting this BS. And do something about Israel first, before touching this topic. Have some shame at least.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ny...-commandos-russian-mercenaries-syria.amp.html

The news is widespread and Russian families in Russia were left in the dark about the whole thing. Russia applied a major censorship on the topic. So unless you have access to Russian intelligence files the true number of Russian casualties will not be known. It’s probably not 300 but it’s not zero either.

Let’s not even talk about Ukraine as the Russian forces proved how much of an amateur they were in helping pro Russia Ukraine forces. Furthermore, the botched nerve agent attack by Russian Intelligence security was another embarrassment to Russia’s reputation.

Iran do something about Israel? First of all since 1979, Iran has pushed Israel out of Lebanon and single handily expanded across the Middle East. Since 1980, Iran has inflicted the most casualties on US & Israeli forces. What has Russia or China done besides sit in a corner and pound their chest?

Iran thinks decades ahead while Russians are too busy thinking about today. These chess pieces don’t magically fall into place, If you understood geopolitical strategy you would get it. Meanwhile, Mother Russia has gone steadily backwards and then NATO pissed all over Russia and stole Ukraine. The biggest disgrace in modern Russian history.

Iran has achieved manyt things without an airforce and while under a massive weapons/economic embargo that is unprecedented in modern history. What do you think iran would have done with a modern airforce and 1+ trillion dollar economy to back it? You think Iran is hard to contain now, that Iran would be a god damn war machine. Because instead of just valuing the weapon you deploy, Iran values creating a wave of proxies, which can create a force multiplier that no conventional weapon can match.

So just remember Russia is a damn paper tiger. First Turkey shot down your fighter jet and NATO backed Turkey to the hilt, NOT ONE Country in Europe stood up for Russia. Turkey even refused to apologize till months after. Then Israel used your recon aircraft as a decoy to attack Syria and got them killed as well. So at this point no one is afraid of Russia.

Russia is a joke on the international stage right now. When a country like Turkey has the balls to shoot your fighter jet out of the sky and tiny country like Israel uses your patrol aircraft as human shields then you obviously got problems. Even the Chinese don’t respect Russia.

Your comment that Russia “Unwillingness to Sastify all of a country’s wishes” is absurd. Are you seriously that dense? ALL of Iran’s wishes? You mean supplying an air defense system that Iran paid for? Or do you mean the billions in arms contracts in the 90’s/2000’s that Russia violated while on its knees asking the US for a concession like a beggar?

Meanwhile if an banana country Arabian sheik show much waves a dollar in the air, the Russians will run to them and sell anything from S-400 to SU-35 to probably Ballistic missiles. That’s how desperate Russia is to gain acceptance in the region.

I am not sure if your Russian or not, but enjoy the show, that country is on a path to Irrelevance. Internal domestic opposition to Putin is rising. Putin can’t kill them all. Also the oligarchs that run that country can switch on a dime when they see the tide turning. Putin will soon be gone unless he installs himself as dictator for life. If not then there will be no strongman to keep those idiots from devouring one another. NATO/US are just bidding their time. After all, Gorbachev single handily destroyed the Soviet Union trying to be friends with the US. Won’t be long till another Gorbachev comes along.
 
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2 days ago air defence unit became part of the Army


ارتقای عملیاتی قرارگاه پدافند هوایی خاتم‌الانبیا با تشکیل نیروی چهارم ارتش

http://defapress.ir/fa/news/348406/ارتقای-عملیاتی-قرارگاه-پدافند-هوایی-خاتم‌الانبیا-با-تشکیل-نیروی-چهارم-ارتش

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ny...-commandos-russian-mercenaries-syria.amp.html

The news is widespread and Russian families in Russia were left in the dark about the whole thing. Russia applied a major censorship on the topic. So unless you have access to Russian intelligence files the true number of Russian casualties will not be known. It’s probably not 300 but it’s not zero either.

Let’s not even talk about Ukraine as the Russian forces proved how much of an amateur they were in helping pro Russia Ukraine forces. Furthermore, the botched nerve agent attack by Russian Intelligence security was another embarrassment to Russia’s reputation.

Iran do something about Israel? First of all since 1979, Iran has pushed Israel out of Lebanon and single handily expanded across the Middle East. Since 1980, Iran has inflicted the most casualties on US & Israeli forces. What has Russia or China done besides sit in a corner and pound their chest?

Iran thinks decades ahead while Russians are too busy thinking about today. These chess pieces don’t magically fall into place, If you understood geopolitical strategy you would get it. Meanwhile, Mother Russia has gone steadily backwards and then NATO pissed all over Russia and stole Ukraine. The biggest disgrace in modern Russian history.

Iran has achieved manyt things without an airforce and while under a massive weapons/economic embargo that is unprecedented in modern history. What do you think iran would have done with a modern airforce and 1+ trillion dollar economy to back it? You think Iran is hard to contain now, that Iran would be a god damn war machine. Because instead of just valuing the weapon you deploy, Iran values creating a wave of proxies, which can create a force multiplier that no conventional weapon can match.

So just remember Russia is a damn paper tiger. First Turkey shot down your fighter jet and NATO backed Turkey to the hilt, NOT ONE Country in Europe stood up for Russia. Turkey even refused to apologize till months after. Then Israel used your recon aircraft as a decoy to attack Syria and got them killed as well. So at this point no one is afraid of Russia.

Russia is a joke on the international stage right now. When a country like Turkey has the balls to shoot your fighter jet out of the sky and tiny country like Israel uses your patrol aircraft as human shields then you obviously got problems. Even the Chinese don’t respect Russia.

Your comment that Russia “Unwillingness to Sastify all of a country’s wishes” is absurd. Are you seriously that dense? ALL of Iran’s wishes? You mean supplying an air defense system that Iran paid for? Or do you mean the billions in arms contracts in the 90’s/2000’s that Russia violated while on its knees asking the US for a concession like a beggar?

Meanwhile if an banana country Arabian sheik show much waves a dollar in the air, the Russians will run to them and sell anything from S-400 to SU-35 to probably Ballistic missiles. That’s how desperate Russia is to gain acceptance in the region.

I am not sure if your Russian or not, but enjoy the show, that country is on a path to Irrelevance. Internal domestic opposition to Putin is rising. Putin can’t kill them all. Also the oligarchs that run that country can switch on a dime when they see the tide turning. Putin will soon be gone unless he installs himself as dictator for life. If not then there will be no strongman to keep those idiots from devouring one another. NATO/US are just bidding their time. After all, Gorbachev single handily destroyed the Soviet Union trying to be friends with the US. Won’t be long till another Gorbachev comes along.

Unwillingness to sastify other wishes. Yes. You have just invented a theory that Russia is "weak and alone" because it failed to protect Saddam and Qaddafi in addition to fullfiling Iranian requests.. So their fall is not their own problem, not Iran problem, not someone else problem, its Russia's problem. LOL

With all your ravings you sound like a spoiled kid who is cursing someone who refused to give you a candy. Im just confused with all such complaints since Iran according to you is so much more powerful country than Russia and has such a bright future. Looks like you dont need any help from such a weak country like Russia LOL
 
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Unwillingness to sastify other wishes. Yes. You have just invented a theory that Russia is "weak and alone" because it failed to protect Saddam and Qaddafi in addition to fullfiling Iranian requests.. So their fall is not their own problem, not Iran problem, not someone else problem, its Russia's problem. LOL

With all your ravings you sound like a spoiled kid who is cursing someone who refused to give you a candy. Im just confused with all such complaints since Iran according to you is so much more powerful country than Russia and has such a bright future. Looks like you dont need any help from such a weak country like Russia LOL

Ignore that guy. These people are clueless it seems and don't realise how realpolitik works. All nations looks out for their own interests. There is no "friendships" in the real world.
 
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Ignore that guy. These people are clueless it seems and don't realise how realpolitik works. All nations looks out for their own interests. There is no "friendships" in the real world.

look, if russia is signing a deal it hat so be fullfilled.
Iran was waiting 10 years and only got the S300-PMU2 bcz it was on the right track to produce a version which has the same capabilities + Iran filed suit in the International Court of Justice for not honoring the deal.
Syria ordered and payd for more then 30 YAK-130 and is still waiting since 2012.
Russia could say from beginning "no, we dont accept the order", but signing the deal, getting prepayment and then playing stupid games just to please Israel and western "partners" is not acceptable.
 
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look, if russia is signing a deal it hat so be fullfilled.
Iran was waiting 10 years and only got the S300-PMU2 bcz it was on the right track to produce a version which has the same capabilities.
Syria ordered and payd for more then 30 YAK-130 and is still waiting since 2012.
Russia could say from beginning "no, we dont accept the order", but signing the deal, getting prepayment and then playing stupid games just to please Israel and western "partners" is not acceptable.

Only people which no understanding of real politics believe signing a contract is somehow sacred and must be fulfilled. That's not how realpolitik works. If nations believe something is in their interests, they will do it. I am not saying whether that decision will always be in their true interests, but from their persecutive it was.
 
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guys do you remember northrop and bell sued us for reverse engineering the bell-214 and f-5?? did russians sued us for kh-55, va-111, small arms, ATGMs or trying to smuggle the kh-31 and reverse engineering it??
the reason they delayed to deliver the s-300 was our copies of their techs. russians are the ones who were developing fighter jets with us, which nation would do that??
that s-400 news is fake, also keep in mind we are not officially an ally of russia, means their wars are theirs and ours are ours, so for a neutral party they were good.
 
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look, if russia is signing a deal it hat so be fullfilled.
Iran was waiting 10 years and only got the S300-PMU2 bcz it was on the right track to produce a version which has the same capabilities + Iran filed suit in the International Court of Justice for not honoring the deal.
Syria ordered and payd for more then 30 YAK-130 and is still waiting since 2012.
Russia could say from beginning "no, we dont accept the order", but signing the deal, getting prepayment and then playing stupid games just to please Israel and western "partners" is not acceptable.

Common sense won’t work with some people. These guys throwing terms around like “real politik” like they even know what it means and just parroting it over and over as if the more they say it the smarter they sound. Realpolitik doesn’t mean sign contracts and then void them, dumbest thing I have ever heard.

There is a reason why international court was going to fine Russia billions for breach of contract that is because it was against the contract. Iran likely had fine print installed that gave Russia VERY FEW reasons to be able to breach contract. Russia’s excuse (United Nations Resolution) did not apply for defensive weapons.

guys do you remember northrop and bell sued us for reverse engineering the bell-214 and f-5?? did russians sued us for kh-55, va-111, small arms, ATGMs or trying to smuggle the kh-31 and reverse engineering it??
the reason they delayed to deliver the s-300 was our copies of their techs. russians are the ones who were developing fighter jets with us, which nation would do that??
that s-400 news is fake, also keep in mind we are not officially an ally of russia, means their wars are theirs and ours are ours, so for a neutral party they were good.

First of all KH-55 was supplied by Ukraine arms company not Russia. Second Iran’s version of Kh-55 is not “identical” like Bell-214 or F-5. Either way Russia couldn’t even sue China who basically ripped off most of what they bought from Russia. It got so bad that Russia had to beg China not to reverse engineer arms it sells or to buy licenses.

Iran still buys small arms from Russia and a lot of what you mentioned is covered by license production. Just because Iran doesn’t announce it doesn’t mean they don’t have licenses. Iran’s G-3s for example are made under license.

And Russia was developing fighter jets for iran? You mean the project they left in early prototype stage and when Iran decided to go about itself they refused to supply RD-33? Oh yeah what a great help.

I mean some of you have memories of goldfish, Russia refused to modernize Iran’s kilo subs in Iran in last 10 years. They said they should be transferred to Russia for modernization. They refused to share blueprints or tech. Iran was so worried that Russia would confiscate the kilo subs and not return them that they did modernization in Iran by themselves!

Does that sound like a “neutral party”? Or are one of you guys gonna scream “realpolitik” again like you know something? Laughable.

SU-57 was a disaster, India was a partner with Russia on the project and pulled out after complaining about Russian backstabbing and incompetence. The issue is not limited to Iran.

Right now Russia is challenging Iran in Syria by preventing Iran from gaining access to permanent bases and ports. Even though Iran is the one who had balls to put boots on the ground while Russia stayed in the air and learned how to hit targets (look at some of the Russia MoD videos some of their airstrikes were terribly bad).

Whatever Russia is doing they need to do opposite because they are going backwards. Last 20 years China has risen, Turkey has risen, Iran has risen, Hezbollah has risen. Russia has GONE BACKWARDS. How is that even possible?

Russia Agreed to U.N. sanctions on Iran in order to not get Missile shields placed in Europe. RESULT: Missile shields placed in Europe anyway

Russia Agreed to more U.N. sanctions on Iran in order to gain more respect from International community.
RESULT: Libya overthrown and NATO encroachment on its borders

More *** kissing by Russia in last 10 years
RESULT: Hit with sanctions, lost Ukraine, and now almost a social pariah like Iran. Furthermore, now the last remaining European countries want to join NATO and get under the umbrella. Russia is being squeezed.

The ONLY decision that has worked well is syria and that was Iran (Soleimani) convincing Russia to have some balls and come into Syria to save its port/interests and flex some of its power.

So if Russia is engaging in “realpolitik” it really sucks at it because it literally has made one mistake after another.

Russia’s leverage on Europe is because of one thing: Natural Gas.

What will happen once Iran is reintegrated to the international community? Iran one of the leaders in the world in natural gas reserves starts supplying large amounts of natural gas to Europe? What will happen once Qatar also starts supplying Even more Natural Gas?

Like I said, Russia is not in a strong position. Most of the world is aligned with the West and dependent on Western arms. In the future, who is Russia gonna supply arms to? Some random Asian or South American banana countries?
 
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Common sense won’t work with some people. These guys throwing terms around like “real politik” like they even know what it means and just parroting it over and over as if the more they say it the smarter they sound. Realpolitik doesn’t mean sign contracts and then void them, dumbest thing I have ever heard.

Here is the definition of realpolitik since you're incapable

"a system of politics or principles based on practical rather than moral or ideological considerations."

Now try to understand nations follow their interests and not ideological mumbojumbo like "once we sign a contract we must fulfil it"

There is a reason why international court was going to fine Russia billions for breach of contract that is because it was against the contract. Iran likely had fine print installed that gave Russia VERY FEW reasons to be able to breach contract.

No one is saying by not fulfilling a contract, that the law is not broken. We're not talking about laws here but whether nations can break such things to follow their own interests. Look at the Americans, does it look like they follow regulations and laws if it does not coincide with their interests?


Russia’s excuse (United Nations Resolution) did not apply for defensive weapons.

Obviously it does not matter what they say. One has to apply common sense to realise the true reason behind why they did not deliver on their contractual obligations.
 
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Like I alluded to, you'e obviously clueless. Here is the definition of realpolitik since you're incapable of searching it:

"a system of politics or principles based on practical rather than moral or ideological considerations."

Now use your head and try to understand nations follow their interests and not ideological mumbojumbo like "once we sign a contract we must fulfil it"



What an infantile comment. No one is saying by not fulfilling a contract, that the law is not broken. We're not talking about laws here but whether nations can break such things to follow their own interests. Look at the Americans, does it look like they follow regulations and laws if it does not coincide with their interests?




Are you seriously incapable of rational thinking? Obviously it does not matter what they say. One has to apply common sense to realise the true reason behind why they did not deliver on their contractual obligations.

Again your picking and choosing a lengthy rebuttal of mine to justify your position. A common propaganda tactic to twist words in your favor. I gave several examples of Russian “realpolitik” ending up badly for Russia in the end. But you conveniently glossed over them.

I’m sure your so proud you can use google and come up with a definirion. Every nation looks out for its own interests so by default every nation engages in realpolitik in some shape or form.

So again using the term adds nothing to conversation. The argument is Russia is not a reliable ANYTHING (partner, country, ally, neutral party, whore, etc). So you can sit here and say well it’s because Russia does Realpolitik, okay still doesn’t change the argument that Russia is useless to Iran.

Answer me this, what was Russia’s INTEREST that you keep babbling about in not supplying S-300 to Iran? What did it ACHIEVE? I mean surely if you are going to say it was realpolitik that Russia was looking out for its own interest then such a brilliant decision must have ACHIEVED something? What was it?

Because the way I look at, Iran got the system in the end and beat Russia (either way Iran would have gotten the system or gotten billions in fines). Russia sat on falses promises and was unable to look past the corner. 10 years later they are now sanctioned, pariah’d, and lost Ukraine to a west backed revolution.

I will tell you, it achieved nothing. Like a fly that flies at a lamp light in the night. Russian is in a vicious cycle of committing the same mistakes over and over and getting the same results. Realpolitik or not.

My point still stands, 20 years has seen Russia get played by the West. Realpolitik is what got Russia in this situation. When all you do is make the PRACTICAL decision (prioritize today over tomm) then you are effectively a man without a strategy. You are reactive versus proactive.

Read rational articles about China and they will say that China thinks decades if not a century ahead when making critical decisions. It has a strategy it has a ideological reason. Iran has a strategy and a ideological reason. Even Israel and US have a strategy and an ideological reason.

Russia can look after its own “interests” all it wants. After all, every nation does to a certain extent. Except true powers realize the long term ramifications of certain chess moves while amateurs look at merely what piece they can take off the board immediately.

Initially you might be better off making that practical move, but in the end you might see your Queen has been checkmated to a longer thinking opponent.
 
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