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IRAN UNVEILS UNUSUALLY BLUE COLORED SUBMARINE

Anyway, i good achievement for Iran for sure. The really are building up on the midget submarine fleet
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Their military docterine must be having something involving huge number of midget submarines..Hell their total sub fleet appears to be more than India and Pakistan combined..
 
BTW the diesel engine of theses boat would be like a underwater rock concert for sonars. Stating that by the sheer small size and hull thickness which doesn't look like it houses sonar coating material or any stealth coating of any kind.

On the contrary, diesel subs are extremely quiet, and if you look through US Navy exercises, they lost to diesel subs every single time over the last 30 years.

"Twenty-three years ago during the 1981 NATO exercise Ocean Venture, an unnamed 1960s vintage Canadian diesel submarine “sank” the carrier USS America without once being itself detected, and a second unidentified vintage sub “sank” the carrier USS Forrestal.

What did we learn from this?

Eight years later, during NATO exercise Northern Star, the Dutch diesel submarine Zwaardvis stalked and “sank” the USS America again. Did the America just have problems? Well, in RIMPAC 1996, the Chilean diesel submarine Simpson “sank” the carrier USS Independence, and in 1999 during NATO exercise JTFEX/TMDI99, Dutch diesel submarine Walrus not only “sank” the carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt, but also “took out” the American exercise command ship USS Mount Whitney, plus a cruiser, several destroyers and frigates, and the nuke fast attack USS Boise – all without herself receiving a scratch.

Then, during RIMPAC 2000, the Australian Collins Class diesel sub HMAS Waller “sank” two American nuke fast attacks and got dangerously close to the carrier USS Abraham Lincoln. During Operation Tandem Thrust in 2001, HMAS Waller “sank” two American amphibious assault ships in waters between 200 to 350 feet deep, barely more than the length of the submarine itself, and an unnamed Chilean diesel sub “took out” nuclear fast attack sub USS Montpelier twice during successive exercise runs. A year later in October 2002, HMAS Sheehan successfully hunted down and “killed” the U.S. fast attack USS Olympia during exercises near Hawaii, and just a year ago in September 2003, in an unnamed (read “classified”) exercise, several Collins Class subs “sank” two U.S. fast attack subs and a carrier – all unnamed, of course. And a month later another Collins Class sub surprised and “sank” an American fast attack during another exercise."

Just few years back, Chinese crashed US exercise with diesel subs, popping up in the middle of carrier group, penetrated undetected all US defenses.


Bottom line: Is anyone still surprised Iran is mass producing extremely quiet small subs? They are very good in the ocean, and even better in the shallow waters of Persian Gulf.
 
On the contrary, diesel subs are extremely quiet, and if you look through US Navy exercises, they lost to diesel subs every single time over the last 30 years.

"Twenty-three years ago during the 1981 NATO exercise Ocean Venture, an unnamed 1960s vintage Canadian diesel submarine “sank” the carrier USS America without once being itself detected, and a second unidentified vintage sub “sank” the carrier USS Forrestal.

What did we learn from this?

Eight years later, during NATO exercise Northern Star, the Dutch diesel submarine Zwaardvis stalked and “sank” the USS America again. Did the America just have problems? Well, in RIMPAC 1996, the Chilean diesel submarine Simpson “sank” the carrier USS Independence, and in 1999 during NATO exercise JTFEX/TMDI99, Dutch diesel submarine Walrus not only “sank” the carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt, but also “took out” the American exercise command ship USS Mount Whitney, plus a cruiser, several destroyers and frigates, and the nuke fast attack USS Boise – all without herself receiving a scratch.

Then, during RIMPAC 2000, the Australian Collins Class diesel sub HMAS Waller “sank” two American nuke fast attacks and got dangerously close to the carrier USS Abraham Lincoln. During Operation Tandem Thrust in 2001, HMAS Waller “sank” two American amphibious assault ships in waters between 200 to 350 feet deep, barely more than the length of the submarine itself, and an unnamed Chilean diesel sub “took out” nuclear fast attack sub USS Montpelier twice during successive exercise runs. A year later in October 2002, HMAS Sheehan successfully hunted down and “killed” the U.S. fast attack USS Olympia during exercises near Hawaii, and just a year ago in September 2003, in an unnamed (read “classified”) exercise, several Collins Class subs “sank” two U.S. fast attack subs and a carrier – all unnamed, of course. And a month later another Collins Class sub surprised and “sank” an American fast attack during another exercise."

Just few years back, Chinese crashed US exercise with diesel subs, popping up in the middle of carrier group, penetrated undetected all US defenses.


Bottom line: Is anyone still surprised Iran is mass producing extremely quiet small subs? They are very good in the ocean, and even better in the shallow waters of Persian Gulf.

Wouldn't worry about it since there is something that can detect such boats. Its been developing right now. U.S. Navy is definitely finding ways to detect them.
 
Wouldn't worry about it since there is something that can detect such boats. Its been developing right now. U.S. Navy is definitely finding ways to detect them.

US most definitely working hard to address this issue over the last 30 years, and I would worry in US place, because as of recent examples, US still doesnt have proper detection of diesel subs.
 
US most definitely working hard to address this issue over the last 30 years, and I would worry in US place, because as of recent examples, US still doesnt have proper detection of diesel subs.

What is the particular reason for this situation?

However US and Briton didn't have a difficulty tackling German diesel U-bots in WW2. I do admit that newer technology may have change the whole situation but I do not think USN cannot detect diesel subs with good effectiveness.

IMO diesel subs aren't elusive than nuclear ones. There are various other ways to detect diesel subs than listening through sonar.
 
Something like this may not even need a harbor..
A shallow creek.. A fishing boat converted service station.etc

Pretty much, diesel subs can stay underwater for a ~month, after that they can refill anywhere - underwater caves, converted fishing boats as you mentioned, you name it. There is a very long coastline (with n islands), and subs are very small - I dont think it would be an issue for Iran to keep them going during a war. Its not like Iran isnt aware of US tactics and not preparing.
 
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