Iran to take action if US aircraft carrier returns

[longbrained]

Horrible pictures. But longbrained, there is high chance that Iran already has a nuke or it will test one if the US (and its dogs) start something stupid against it.

You better be confident of that. These are psycho people and any misjudgment on your part will end up with the demise, torture and rape of millions of Iranians and the complete loss of self respect for all Iranians around the globe. Just imagine if these were Iranians in those pictures. You get my point then. Without nukes Iran is like a tiny teenage girl locked up in a 6x6 cell with half a dozen big muscle pedophile rapists. It is not a matter of, if it will happen, rather when the rape will start and for how long it will continue. Nukes are the ultimate guarantee, but unfortunately some Iranians including the Iranian leaders have difficulty understanding the simple concept of nuclear security and peace of mind.

 

[IranZamin]

You better be confident of that. These are psycho people and any misjudgment on your part will end up with the demise, torture and rape of millions of Iranians and the complete loss of self respect for all Iranians around the globe. Just imagine if these were Iranians in those pictures. You get my point then. Without nukes Iran is like a tiny teenage girl locked up in a 6x6 cell with half a dozen big muscle pedophile rapists. It is not a matter of, if it will happen, rather when the rape will start and for how long it will continue. Nukes are the ultimate guarantee, but unfortunately some Iranians including the Iranian leaders have difficulty understanding the simple concept of nuclear security and peace of mind.

I agree with you. Nukes are the ultimate detterent. Lets see if the Iranian leadership outsmarts the US and her dogs

 

[gambit]

You better be confident of that. These are psycho people and any misjudgment on your part will end up with the demise, torture and rape of millions of Iranians and the complete loss of self respect for all Iranians around the globe. Just imagine if these were Iranians in those pictures. You get my point then. Without nukes Iran is like a tiny teenage girl locked up in a 6x6 cell with half a dozen big muscle pedophile rapists. It is not a matter of, if it will happen, rather when the rape will start and for how long it will continue. Nukes are the ultimate guarantee, but unfortunately some Iranians including the Iranian leaders have difficulty understanding the simple concept of nuclear security and peace of mind.

Your hyperboles are so entertaining...

 

[888jamie888]

You better be confident of that. These are psycho people and any misjudgment on your part will end up with the demise, torture and rape of millions of Iranians and the complete loss of self respect for all Iranians around the globe. Just imagine if these were Iranians in those pictures. You get my point then. Without nukes Iran is like a tiny teenage girl locked up in a 6x6 cell with half a dozen big muscle pedophile rapists. It is not a matter of, if it will happen, rather when the rape will start and for how long it will continue. Nukes are the ultimate guarantee, but unfortunately some Iranians including the Iranian leaders have difficulty understanding the simple concept of nuclear security and peace of mind.

you okay bro?

 

[gambit]

you okay bro?

Revealing bits and pieces of himself, ya think? Serious mental issues if one need to resort -- or rather descend -- to that level of gross offensiveness.

 

[Harry_Thomason]

There was no need to show off military might or utter threats to close down Straight of Hormuz. Its unnecessary and it gives ammo to US and EU to enforce further sanctions on Iran. The best thing for Iran would be to concentrate on its economy and people, and not get caught up in political rhetoric.

I think you missed the part Iran did tried for peaceful resolution, as well as concentrated on self sufficiency, however current sanctions has a goal to completely cripple Iran (without oil export it would be very tough times). Iran cant back down anymore, they want actual resolution of problems, even if its the war, which US/Israel are pushing so hard.

I agree it also gives additional ammo to US/EU, but it doesnt matter after this point, additional sanctions on what - carpets?

 

[Harry_Thomason]

I believe, Iran would fight only if they would win and here, I find any new sanctions on Iran will break down Iran’s economy while any new full scale war, especially with Iran, will result in collapse of heavily debted US’s/ EU’s economies. US+EU can’t just fight 2-3 wars at one time, in Afghan also with ongoing tension with Pakistan and now with Iran also, they can’t…………….

Talking war politics is always tough but, listen carefully, when a strong man beat a weak person, people generally support the strong man, not the weaker one. I mean, if you can demonstrate your strengths then world will listen what you say otherwise you gotto do what you are told to do, you have reached this level. But if you win, you will talk to others on your terms and conditions and then you will find many other countries in your support also, this is how the world is. Iran is well placed to win any war against US right now but things won’t be the same after 4-5 years, after facing new sanctions. Cowardness will only bring heavy price for Iran in future.

But yes, Any decision for a full scale war will certainly result in loss of lives so its just the Iran’s leadership, how they respond to the current circumtances.

Great post It seems Iran decided instead of folding, bring up the heat and see whats cooking If war happens, Iran has a better chance now than later, and their leadership understands it well.

 

[FriendOfPakistan]

Most people, including yours truly, thought that the Shah was bad, and we needed someone/something better. Instead, we got something worse. I was a teenager at the time, and I thought wow this spiritual man (Khomeini) sounds so cool, he is so radical, and maximalist, he is the one. Pure emotions ... my father knew better than I did. This is how revolutions start, young emotional people wanting to trash everything, regardless of consequences, and getting duped by demagogues. With the hordes of villagers (mostly men) having taken over Tehran, all coming looking for work in the capital from all corners of the country, feeling lost, culturally, alone, single, furstrated ... a messianic figure promising the sky was truly a "godsend".

Most of the clerics had little knowledge of the world. Few or no citizens would send their children to the theological schools, so most of the mullahs (incl. Khomeini) were basically village people who studied theology. Their whole world was Islam, Arabic language, Arabo-Islamic causes (Palestine, etc.). Lots of incompetent people took over initially reins of power - a good example was that Khomeini's driver became head of Tehran University.

Unfortunately, their rhetorical provocations against neighbors, Israel, US, and the hostage taking, together with the purges of the army, led to all the problems that we are facing now. An Iranian who cares about his country first, and not Islam first, would not have provoked Israel and other neighbors. Israel did nothing against Iran - their problems were with Arabs - but the Iranian government made them into mortal enemies, and given their influence in the US, they have made Iran and Iranians pay heavily. However, Hating and battling Israel was not our cause - it was an Arab and pan-Islamic cause ... one that even Arabs and other muslims did not care about. Yet Iran had become more Arabs than Arabs themselves, and worse than that, the Arabs themselves did not appreciate Iran's involvement. So, we got both Israel, Arabs, and US to hate Iran ... I could go on forever but ... Iran and US could have continued a good relationship after the revolution if wiser people had taken power. Now, both countries are entrenched in their positions, unwilling to talk, with decades of mutual hostility and bitterness to back it all up. All the result of a bunch of village idiots coming to power and getting everyone upset, including both Arabs (Saddam, Saudis), Israel/USA, and even the Soviets (they placed loudspeakers at the borders right efter the revolution asking muslims there to rise up agains communist infidels).

Now, the village idiots have evolved and become much more sophisticated. For sure there have been positive things also about the lasst 3 decades in Iran, some good achievements ... but more could have been done. Mistakes made in the first few years however have caused problems that cannot be resolved ....

The Shah was ready to build, with U.S. approval and assistance, advanced industrial facilities, electric plants, and other important facilities that would have made Iran by now, far more advanced in terms of her economy. His plan was to get away from oil as a primary economic engine and use oil money to kick start these advanced industries... aerospace, semiconductor, mechanical.

Some Iranians are now going to say, "You're full of s--t" and they have that right to their opinion, but the indications were there in 1979. Of course, from 1979 onward, we had hostages, huge death to america rallies that go on to this day, and extreme bitterness.

 

[FriendOfPakistan]

Some of the older mullahs's sons became the educated elites of Iran, no doubt, but you are obviously not one of them. Those who have no logical arguments, and resort to personal attacks, will be reported to the mods.

You are a big village idiot .

 

[pakistanitarzan]

Iran is a very brave country; despite having few resources to fight the war and knowing that they will loose, they still stand up to US!

 

[Hussein]

Ah i see .. seems you didn't know anything about revolution , and still using "villagers" to describe us. Anyway why you put an Iranian flag if you are so much ashamed of Iran?

If you read Nahavandi who was working for the shah (and is royalist), he himself in his book 'revolution' said shah was not able to give democracy when people who wanted democracy. At least read him to get some basic knowledge.

So if your opinion religious villagers, spoiled kids by the shah, they had so much they didn't know why they wanted a revolution. I don't speak about all insults of culturally lost and blabla.
Ah lol you have a so nice perception of the Iranians .
I wonder why in opposition you have :
- some religious figures
- what do you think of Shariati? a villager too?
- Bani Sadr? he was much popular in that time he was president.
- communists? they were more powerful than today
- nationalists ?
Bazargan?
and so on

Anyway don't put Israel and USA in your lies.
The problems with USA have nothing to do with Islam and mullahs. It is related to some past events and this fact that the shah was to be hospitalized in USA (it doesn't mean i agree with this behavior).
Khomeini and Israel? It is nothing to do with being Arab minded or whatever racist comment of your part. Again Islam is maybe born in Arab lands but it spreads in many countries. I wonder if you say Indonesian are Arabs too. Jesus was not American byt the way... Americans have their own culture.

I know some extremists (if i read balatarin website) from royalists ask USA to attack Iran so USA put them to power
and sadly i see these comments insulting Iranians as retarded.
I wonder how can people can come back to lead a country they hate their people.

Another point you didn't know about revolution but i can say you.
Iranians when they did revolution, they did it believe more and more the necessity to do it because shah was using violence agaisnt people. He didn't listen to them. Waht you call being spoiled .. maybe are some tortures of opposants
Anyway read Shariati and you'd understand why Iranians wanted morality and of course they never never wanted a country of theocracy: Khomeiny promised a lot of things before people vote yes to the constitution. He promised it was just there for morality but all matter of economy and any speciality would be the matter of specialists. If you were for exemple listening to the debates before elections, you could have learned it.
Sadly the country (with the help and war, and cheating of Khamenei) went in the bad direction: theocracy total power of one man, strong power of sepah.

This is nothing to do with villagers.

By the way, see for exemple Larijani brothers: educated in USA . Not villagers. But see how powerful they are in the system.

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Some of the older mullahs's sons became the educated elites of Iran, no doubt, but you are obviously not one of them. Those who have no logical arguments, and resort to personal attacks, will be reported to the mods.

you're funny: you insult Iranians as villagers, you have racist anti Arab statements
but you report to the mods.
I have a PhD and one of the best student in my time from our country. I didn't need lessons from you.

 

[FriendOfPakistan]

You are actually a very intelligent man. I wish we had more Iranians like you in positions of power. Iranians underestimate the wisdom of Arabian people.

Politics web is complicated but at the end of the day if you get propaganda out of the way you start to see everything clearly the first step of doing so and by far the hardest step to take is to stop taking sides and look at things from an outer perspective.

There are many layers of truth and nothing in this world remains purely good or purely evil. The world is entrapped in many shades of grey that is being either washed or dirtied by the evil of propaganda.

 

[Developereo]

Nukes are wildly overrated as a military tool. They have some value as a vengeance weapon, but vengeance rings hollow when your own nation is in ashes.

It's more complicated than that. Nukes have a huge deterrent value, especially when combined with an unpredictable, 'crazy' regime.

US attacked Iraq, Afghanistan, Panama, Grenada, ... with impunity because there was no serious threat of consequences. However, it does not dare attack North Korea, because there is a credible threat of Seoul vaporizing.

Similarly, US options in the Middle East will be severely limited if there is nuclear sword of Damocles hanging over Tel Aviv, and the belief that the other side is just crazy enough to pull the trigger.

Personally, I think the Iranians played this badly. They should have worked hard to obtain a strong alliance with nuclear-armed Pakistan to provide cover for their own program. The US can destroy the region 100 times over, but is it acceptable to see all of Israel vaporized in return?

 

[FriendOfPakistan]

Do you seriously think Pakistan would protect Iran with its nuclear umbrella ? What makes you think so ?

Personally, I think the Iranians played this badly. They should have worked hard to obtain a strong alliance with nuclear-armed Pakistan to provide cover for their own program.

 

[Developereo]

Israel did nothing against Iran - their problems were with Arabs - but the Iranian government made them into mortal enemies, and given their influence in the US, they have made Iran and Iranians pay heavily.

Learn from Turkey's example.

For decades, Turkey extended the olive branch to Israel and maintained good relations. But, at the first sign of trouble in the relationship, the Israeli lobbies went into full action. Decades of trust was thrown aside as the Israeli lobbies engineered resolution after resolution in the US and Europe about the Armenian issue. This is not due to some Israeli fondness for Armenians; Israel is one of the main military backers of Azerbaijan. Anti-Turkish propaganda is in full swing these days.

Make no mistake about it. Unless Iran abandons Islam and all Iranians convert to some other religion, Israel will stab you in the back the moment your back is turned.