Iran-Pakistan fallout over Bahrain

[r3alist]

Pakistan is doing nothing illegal here. We have cooperated with the Arab states on security/military matters for decades, as have other nations. The current recruitment of Pakistani citizens for Arab security forces is a continuation of the commercial and military relationship we have had with these States for decades.

These are internationally recognized and legitimate governments that the entire world does business with.

And Iran certainly has no room to be taking self righteous positions here, given its own extensive cooperation and trade with India despite India's occupation and oppression of J&K.

well said, that should put the iranians in their place.


they talk about brotherhood and the wider muslim world only when they want, otherwise its all about iran iran iran, they talk about kashmir only when they want, otherwise its all about ties with india, someone tell me - are these people genuine about anything?


the fact is those who are from pakistan assisting the authorities of bahrain have done so lawfully, that is where the iranians should stop talking.

iranian pretension of being a regional power is what is one of the major factors destabalising the whole region and muslim world

 

[chops3d]

So in you POV , Iran being a predominantly shia muslim country ,somehow makes it un-islamic ? ( implying "muslim ummah" as not applicable with iran)

pakistan is helping a muslim country to remain stable, but another country called iran jumps from no where and speaks about its interest in behrain etc etc, if iran is another country, what rights does it have to speak for revolutions in another country esp a muslim country and that muslim country demands help from pakistan so pakistan has all legal rights to do so, iran is the one which is threatening etc etc, no iran is not a muslim country with its mullah regime, iran just looks for its interest in 'persian gulf' and wants to establish its monopoly.

so this whole muslim ummah thing with iran is when interests call

 

[r3alist]

so this whole muslim ummah thing with iran is when interests call

exactly.

the arabs are not much better, they are complete sell outs, as are our pakistani leaders, but the iranians play a completely different game altogether.

 

[Mech]

pakistan is helping a muslim country to remain stable, but another country called iran jumps from no where and speaks about its interest in behrain etc etc, if iran is another country, what rights does it have to speak for revolutions in another country esp a muslim country and that muslim country demands help from pakistan so pakistan has all legal rights to do so, iran is the one which is threatening etc etc, no iran is not a muslim country with its mullah regime, iran just looks for its interest in 'persian gulf' and wants to establish its monopoly.

so this whole muslim ummah thing with iran is when interests call

So the revolutions in bahrain are sponsored by iran and not at all legit? Even when sunnis and shias participate?

Another intresting theory i gleaned from your post is that "mullahs are not muslims". Do you support this or not?

So far i have understood that the concept "muslim ummah" is nothing but a utopian dream. Much like how communism looks good on paper. In effect, there is no "muslim brotherhood", there are only converging interests. Thanks for clarifying. This has definitely been quite enlightening.

 

[chops3d]

So the revolutions in bahrain are sponsored by iran and not at all legit? Even when sunnis and shias participate?

Another intresting theory i gleaned from your post is that "mullahs are not muslims". Do you support this or not?

So far i have understood that the concept "muslim ummah" is nothing but a utopian dream. Much like how communism looks good on paper. In effect, there is no "muslim brotherhood", there are only converging interests. Thanks for clarifying. This has definitely been quite enlightening.

u can take or understand what ever you want, i am not here to educate people

about revolutions after libya being bombed by allied forces i have grown quite an amount of suspecion of these revolutions not being locally generated, after the revolution, egypt has yet to come into a democratic state

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

The Sunnis are worried about Shias taking over Bahrain.

 

[BATMAN]

Ok guys let me take the opportunity out of this obvious troll.

'sunnis' is foreign lable it has no relationship with non Shia belief.
'Shia' was adopted aftwer the shahadat of Hazrat Ali's family (not after the shahadat of hazrat Ali), it is an arabic word and meaning 'party'/'Shia of Ali' now conveniently called only shia.

Where as there is no reason or event in history for adopting 'sunni' lable and does not single out as party to any Khaliph.

Calling non Shia as Sunnis is a big conspiracy, which imply sunnis do not subscribe to hazrat Ali.

Non Shia..... as they love, respect and value hazrat Ali for all his life time achievements, shall not accept this lable of Sunni and shall be called upon as MUSLIMS only.
Apply your logic.....what is sunni muslim, for heavn's sake?
Did prophet (s.a.w) mentioned any such thing? NO.

Where as problem with Iran is it subscribe to terrorism in foreign states with association of RAW.

 

[AKINCI]

Shias says that we are brothers but while Iran support rioters in Bahrain, they support shia Esad in Syria.
They play along with India and Armenia against Azerbaijan and Pakistan. Yeah really we are brothers...

 

[BATMAN]

It all started after Iran revolution.
I still remember in 80's all medical and engineering colleges of my city infested with lovely Iraninas, playing volley ball in summer nights and making fun of Punjabi movies.
Now since long, Iranians students have moved to India and Indians labor and contractors are located in Iran.

 

[53fd]

Ok guys let me take the opportunity out of this obvious troll.

'sunnis' is foreign lable it has no relationship with non Shia belief.
'Shia' was the first defection ever in Islam, it is an arabic word and meaning 'party'/'Shia of Ali' now conveniently called only shia.
Where as non Shia, do not adopted any name and does not single out as party to any Khaliph.

Calling non Shia as Sunnis is a big conspiracy, which imply sunnis are not subscribe to hazrat Ali.

Non Shia as they love, respect and value hazrat Ali for all his life time achievements, shall not accept this lable of Sunni and shall be called upon as MUSLIMS only.
Apply your logic.....what is sunni muslim, for heavn's sake?
Did prophet (s.a.w) mentioned any such thing? NO.

Where as problem with Iran is it subscribe to terrorism in foreign states with association of RAW.

Listen Batman, stop making this about Shias and Sunnis, ok? What proof do you have that Iran is involved in Pakistan? In Kurram & Orakzai agencies, there are significant amount of Shia population. In the Gilgit-Baltistan/Northern areas, you have a significant amount of Shias that want to live with the Pakistani government, instead of remaining as part of J&K as it originally was.

How would Iran be supporting TTP, or other terrorists that follow the Salafi or extremist Deobandi ideology; the terrorists that are killing Shias in Kurram & Orakzai agencies? Shias are faithful people to Pakistan, as shown by the fact that the people of G-B want to stay with Pakistan than join in the struggle of J&K, which has a strong Sunni relationship & wouldn't mind screwing Pakistan over either. The fight against terrorism is one between Sunni (Salafi & Deobandi, not Barelvi) extremism & the nation of Pakistan. The Shia Muslims are in favor of the Pakistan government. Saudi Arabia plays a huge role in funding extremism into Pakistan, the extremism we are fighting right now, & we need to realize that Saudi Arabia is the root cause of all the problems in the Muslim world, & abandon our relationship with them, as it serves as a proxy for all Western imperialist nations. Turkey & China are good friends to have.

 

[chops3d]

Listen Batman, stop making this about Shias and Sunnis, ok? What proof do you have that Iran is involved in Pakistan? In Kurram & Orakzai agencies, there are significant amount of Shia population. In the Gilgit-Baltistan/Northern areas, you have a significant amount of Shias that want to live with the Pakistani government, instead of remaining as part of J&K as it originally was.

How would Iran be supporting TTP, or other terrorists that follow the Salafi or extremist Deobandi ideology; the terrorists that are killing Shias in Kurram & Orakzai agencies? Shias are faithful people to Pakistan, as shown by the fact that the people of G-B want to stay with Pakistan than join in the struggle of J&K, which has a strong Sunni relationship & wouldn't mind screwing Pakistan over either. The fight against terrorism is one between Sunni extremism & the nation of Pakistan. The Shia Muslims are in favor of the Pakistan government. Saudi Arabia plays a huge role in funding extremism into Pakistan, the extremism we are fighting right now, & we need to realize that Saudi Arabia is the root cause of all the problems in the Muslim world, & abandon our relationship with them, as it serves as a proxy for all Western imperialist nations.

, look we have a shia here

 

[53fd]

, look we have a shia here

I'm a Pakistani Muslim my friend, a very patriotic Pakistani. I don't call use the label 'Shia' for myself, but yes I am. I'm a proud Pakistani Muslim, that's my identity. It was Batman that made this about Shias & Sunnis, who started talking about how Shiism is a distortion of Islam. Read my posts about Pakistan.

 

[mehru]

Iran-Pakistan fallout over Bahrain

Diplomatic relations between Pakistan and Iran are under a cloud after the Iranian government protested recruitment of Pakistani military officials into the Bahraini police forces.

Pakistan's charge d'affairs in Tehran was summoned to Iran's foreign ministry earlier this month where deputy foreign minister Behrouz Kamalvandi conveyed his country's reservations over the 'recruitment for Bahrain's armed forces and police' in Pakistan.

He warned that if the recruitment was not stopped, it would have serious ramifications for diplomatic relations between Pakistan and Iran.

However, the Pakistan government is believed to have given blessings to the recruitment, which is being conducted through private contractors. More than a hundred retired army men are now on their way to Bahrain to serve in that country's riot police and defence forces.

Plans are also being finalised to send regular Pakistan army contingents to Saudi Arabia and possibly Bahrain, officials have said privately.

In March, Pakistan received Prince Bandar of the Saudi National Council who proposed that army contingents be sent to Saudi Arabia and Bahrain to prop up the monarchies in the two states.

This visit was followed up by a visit of the Bahrain foreign minister, Sheikh Khalid bin Ahmed bin Mohammed Al Khalifa, who confirmed that the Pakistan Army was willing to send its troops to bolster his government.

In what is being clearly seen as Sunni and Shia rivalries, Iran is annoyed with the recruitment of Sunni Muslims for Bahrain's security forces' because it blames them for crushing a mainly Shiite uprising against the rule of King Hamad bin Isa Al Khalifa in Bahrain.

Iran-Pakistan fallout over Bahrain - Hindustan Times

I seriously doubt this. Anyone else reporting it?

 

[AKINCI]

I'm a Pakistani Muslim my friend, a very patriotic Pakistani. I don't call myself a Shia, but yes I am. I'm a proud Pakistani Muslim, that's my identity. It was Batman that made this about Shias & Sunnis, who started talking about how Shiism is a distortion of Islam. Read my posts about Pakistan.

Why do you label yourself as Shia? What are the differences among Shias and non-Shias? If we had lived in the past we had taken place on hazrat Ali's side. Now are we Shias?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

do you the name iran is derived of, its derived from word 'aryan', as much of a racism as it gets.. see how much racists and nationalists are some of the 'muslim countries' like iran and turkey, but some muslim countries are very good countries and not care about their race like arabs countries, indonesia etc

What is racist about Aryan? The Iranians did not choose the name after Hitler made the term so notorious. The etymology of the name Iran goes back thousands of years, and in so much as it refers to the 'Aryans' it refers to a people, and I see no reason why the people of a nation should not name it after themselves, or whatever they feel like.

also iran is shia country, things which are haram in islam shias make it halal

BS - please leave your sectarian hatred and derogatory comments about other sects out of this forum or you will be banned without warning.

Many senior members of this forum are Shia, and I myself have one Shia and one Sunni parent.

No one has any right to impose their interpretation of Islam on anyone else and declare the 'other' to be 'un-Islamic'.

The criticism of Iran from most members here is over Iran's policies, and that is where it should remain.