Iran-Pakistan fallout over Bahrain

[chops3d]

That is precisely my point.

What business of yours is it whether the Shia cry every year over Imam Hussain's assassination? Why do you have a problem with it? Are they forcing you to cry as well? If the Shia want to practice Muharram in a particular way then that is their right.

As I said, Allah will be the judge at the end of days. Why are you crying and whining about what the Shia do - mind your own business.

you are making a non discussion shoving up here, i never said they cant do, but its not legal by islam thts all wht i said, why r u even extending this discussion i dont understand and going off topic, esp using threats??

 

[Abii]

There are a lot of anti Iran members here and that's fine. But I believe this was about Pakistan. Iran has money and lots of it. We don't need to have "friends." The only people who are exploiting Bahrain are Sunni Arab countries led by KSA. Pakistan being a country in need of $$$ always bows down to the one with the biggest wallet and does what it needs to survive. Iran never started the mess in Bahrain. Iran never supported them by anything other than words. Iran has not done nothing but be close to the Island nation geographically. The level of education here seems to be proof of the problems on the ground in Pakistan. Iran and Bahrain were one country for thousands of years, we're both shia majority countries and we're practically neighbors and you guys come here and tell us what right we have in supporting the Bahraini people who are rightfuly fighting for their freedom. Turkish PM also said the same things but of course, you guys are subservient to Turkey just like you are to KSA so you just go with the flow. Asking ppl like Batman to think logically is a mistake.

Bahraini people, both shia and sunni are fighting for their own countries which is now under the control of KSA, USA and a puppet Sunni government. You guys are their foot soldiers and they use you as cannon fodder to fight the people of the country.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

I have more know how of Iran's role in Pakistan than Shia themself.

Any do you have any knowledge about the role played by the Arab Wahabbis in supporting extremists and terrorists such as the TTP/AQ both financially and through manpower? That role is far more significant and far deadlier for Pakistan than anything Iran is doing or has done.

BTW, on that note, for those arguing that Pakistan is on the wrong side of history in supporting the Arab regimes against the 'Arab people', let me point out that these are the same 'Arab people' who discriminate against Pakistanis (most South Asians actually) and look at them as inferior humans. These are the same 'Arab people' who exploit and humiliate our laborers and workers who sweat and toil in the desert heat for them.

Should we really care if these same 'Arab people' get angry at Pakistan now?

 

[53fd]

No my friend i never said distortion or any such non sense.. infact it is you who is distorting.
It is you who derailed it.... go back and have a review.
I did not mention any thing about Shia and why you consider it crime for non Shia to mention Hazrat Ali?
I'm no expert and neither i want to be any expert..... i just want to keep my religion simple as MUSLIM without being labelled as sunni.

We are the followers of the Holy Prophet(S) my friend, not Hazrat Ali(R). Allah is our One and Only God, not anyone else. Not Nauzibillah Hazrat Ali (R) or the Holy Prophet(S). The word "Shia" means "followers; members of party" in Arabic. It doesn't have anything to do with Hazrat Ali(R). The word Shia has been mentioned in the Holy Quran as well several times:

"And most surely, Abraham was among the Shia of him" (Quran 37:83)

"And he (Moses) went into the city at a time when people (of the city) were not watching, so he found therein two men fighting, one being of his Shia and other being his enemy; and the one who was of his Shia cried out to him for help against the one who was of his enemy."

 

[chops3d]

Any do you have any knowledge about the role played by the Arab Wahabbis in supporting extremists and terrorists such as the TTP/AQ both financially and through manpower? That role is far more significant and far deadlier for Pakistan than anything Iran is doing or has done.

BTW, on that note, for those arguing that Pakistan is on the wrong side of history in supporting the Arab regimes against the 'Arab people', let me point out that these are the same 'Arab people' who discriminate against Pakistanis (most South Asians actually) and look at them as inferior humans. These are the same 'Arab people' who exploit and humiliate our laborers and workers who sweat and toil in the desert heat for them.

Should we really care if these same 'Arab people' get angry at Pakistan now?

here we go, man u just did what u threatened me not to do..

 

[muse]

AM

On the Army thread about 2 Div. to Saudi and on the Foreign Policy of Dignity Thread, it's repeated over and over that it's in the interests oif the Wahabi princes and their US benefactors to take this whole thing sectarian

Lets be clear about a couple of things:

FIrst who is the Enemy or the bad guy in this play?? There is much instability in the properties of the Wahabi princes, but whose fault is it that there is such instability?? The US and her vassal Princes blame Iran ---- Are people demanding equality before the law the enemy of Pakistan? Are they the enemy of Muslims??

Whose interest are served by turning what is essentially a struggle for civil liberties into a sectarian struggle????

Can't this instability be resolved by having these US supported princes come into the reality that people refuse to accept second class status based on sectarian considerations??

There is a thread "Why Islam in Pakistan turned violent" or something to that effect -- and it was suggested that it is because we refuse to accept pluralism, AM has pointed to this, should we not reflect on this.

On another point - about assistance active or not -- China does more than 40 Billion in trade with India, does that mean that China supports the suppression of Muslims in captive Kashmir??, Obviously not, it's not a well thought out position.

Look, the people, whether they are from Mars or Muslims or whatever, cannot be the enemy, regardless of sectarian considerations

 

[Mujeeb47]

I think there is no concept of Shia sunni in Islam.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

you are making a non discussion shoving up here, i never said they cant do, but its not legal by islam thts all wht i said, why r u even extending this discussion i dont understand and going off topic, esp using threats??

You keep insulting the Shia by repeating the same thing - you, or anybody else, has no right to declare what is haram and what is not. The Shia have their own interpretation of Islam and they believe that what they do is Islamic - if you disagree then that is fine, but don't call their interpretations 'illegal and un-Islamic'.

How would you like it if people from other sects went around declaring that your/Sunni/Wahabbi interpretations are illegal and un-Islamic? If you disagree with Shia interpretations then just say you disagree - no need to label them 'illegal or un-islamic'. That is for Allah to decide.

 

[chops3d]

Bahraini people, both shia and sunni are fighting for their own countries which is now under the control of KSA, USA and a puppet Sunni government. You guys are their foot soldiers and they use you as cannon fodder to fight the people of the country.

now u r going to make behrain the puppet of iran???

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

here we go, man u just did what u threatened me not to do..

Not really, I am pointing out to him that his argument blaming Iran and the Shia is flawed, and that the Arabs and Wahabbis have played an equally (if not more) destabilizing role in Pakistan. I am not denying that Iran has played a negative role, but I am highlighting the fact that the Arabs have played an even more negative one.

You on the other hand are making declarations about this and that being 'illegal and un-Islamic' as if you are Allah!

 

[Mujeeb47]

My friends Iran has its honourable place in the nations. Similarily, Saudi Arabia is an honourable country. We should not be part of Iran Saudi Game.

 

[BATMAN]

We are the followers of the Holy Prophet(S) my friend, not Hazrat Ali(R). Allah is our One and Only God, not anyone else. Not Nauzibillah Hazrat Ali (R) or the Holy Prophet(S). The word "Shia" means "followers; members of party". It doesn't have anything to do with Hazrat Ali(R). The word Shia has been mentioned in the Holy Quran as well several times:

"And most surely, Abraham was among the Shia of him" (Quran 37:83)

"And he (Moses) went into the city at a time when people (of the city) were not watching, so he found therein two men fighting, one being of his Shia and other being his enemy; and the one who was of his Shia cried out to him for help against the one who was of his enemy."

Good for you??? why are you being appologisitc?
Why are you telling me this? but thanks any way.

 

[53fd]

Good for you??? why are you being appologisitc?
Why are you telling me this? but thanks any way.

Because you gave out false information that we are the "followers of Ali", from the "Party of Ali", while implying you & others are followers of the Holy Prophet(S) & we're not. These words enraged me, & I'm sorry if I came out a little headstrong, that wasn't my intention. Bye. And for the record, I'm not an apologist my friend, I say what's in my heart, & I fully believe in it in everyway.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Iran and Bahrain were one country for thousands of years, we're both shia majority countries and we're practically neighbors and you guys come here and tell us what right we have in supporting the Bahraini people who are rightfuly fighting for their freedom.

Yes - unilaterally making a decision as a nation to support one side or the other does not inherently mean that the decision is an objective and unbiased one. The proper way to do this would be through the UN as has been the case with Libya.

I mean, if you are going to argue that Iran can unilaterally make a decision to support a particular group in Bahrain, then what about other nations unilaterally doing the same in Sistan-Baluchistan?

Bahraini people, both shia and sunni are fighting for their own countries which is now under the control of KSA, USA and a puppet Sunni government. You guys are their foot soldiers and they use you as cannon fodder to fight the people of the country.

At the end of the day the responsibility for what happens is that of the rulers of those States. Pakistanis are merely being recruited for particular jobs in those states - Pakistan is not making the decision to fire on protesters or attack them.

 

[Mujeeb47]

@ Abii
my friend we are not anti-Iran. We respect Iran for its history and religious places.
Second thing, we are not against Shias. After Iran, Pakistan has largest number of Shia.
Similarily, Ahmedinijad is very popular in Pakistan.
The differences of Governments should not be differences of public.