Iran-Pakistan fallout over Bahrain

[Abii]

now u r going to make behrain the puppet of iran???

Come back when you have something intelligent to say kid.

 

[BATMAN]

AM

On the Army thread about 2 Div. to Saudi and on the Foreign Policy of Dignity Thread, it's repeated over and over that it's in the interests oif the Wahabi princes and their US benefactors to take this whole thing sectarian

Lets be clear about a couple of things:

FIrst who is the Enemy or the bad guy in this play?? There is much instability in the properties of the Wahabi princes, but whose fault is it that there is such instability?? The US and her vassal Princes blame Iran ---- Are people demanding equality before the law the enemy of Pakistan? Are they the enemy of Muslims??

Whose interest are served by turning what is essentially a struggle for civil liberties into a sectarian struggle????

Can't this instability be resolved by having these US supported princes come into the reality that people refuse to accept second class status based on sectarian considerations??

There is a thread "Why Islam in Pakistan turned violent" or something to that effect -- and it was suggested that it is because we refuse to accept pluralism, AM has pointed to this, should we not reflect on this.

On another point - about assistance active or not -- China does more than 40 Billion in trade with India, does that mean that China supports the suppression of Muslims in captive Kashmir??, Obviously not, it's not a well thought out position.

Look, the people, whether they are from Mars or Muslims or whatever, cannot be the enemy, regardless of sectarian considerations

If you start reading this thread bit before than you will see that Agnostic Muslim have denied what you are repeating from Indian news.
For me that news is un-credible and a joke... so if you subscribe to it than i cannot appreciate that.

BTW... why do you always mentioning to us others belief...??
It sounds very funy when some one goes through your post history...... Wahabi Sauid, Wahabi Pakistani, Wahabi this and that.... why are you so sure about peoples faith unless they have declared upon you.

I think you enjoy labeling non Shia Muslims XYZ without any good reasons..

P.:S: above Agno has discourage one poster, even calling Iran a Shia regime. so you may be warn as well.

 

[Abii]

Yes - unilaterally making a decision as a nation to support one side or the other does not inherently mean that the decision is an objective and unbiased one. The proper way to do this would be through the UN as has been the case with Libya.

I mean, if you are going to argue that Iran can unilaterally make a decision to support a particular group in Bahrain, then what about other nations unilaterally doing the same in Sistan-Baluchistan?

At the end of the day the responsibility for what happens is that of the rulers of those States. Pakistanis are merely being recruited for particular jobs in those states - Pakistan is not making the decision to fire on protesters or attack them.

of course Pakistan isn't.
As I said, your people are being used as cannon fodder and your leaders are allowing it. As an Iranian, I can never serve another army because if I do, I will be in trouble in Iran. This is the same in many countries but with you guys it seems normal lol

At the end of the day the majority are shia and most of the Sunni are also asking for freedom. Add 2+2. The puppet govt of Bahrain is falling.

 

[Mujeeb47]

@ Abii
Bahrain and Pakistan have strong relationships. Pakistan cannot leave Bahrain alone in the difficult time. They have requested us, we have helped them. Protest to Bahrain not to Pakistan.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

, shias here come to defend the iran illegally and thats my concern..

name one of them.
dont generalize so outrageously, you end up making a fool out of yourself.
Shias and Sunnis together praise the Hizbullah which happens to be mainly a shia freedom fighting movement that is openly and effectively (with respect to other Arabs) confronting Israel. Iran just seems to stand out as a state because many Arab regimes have openly or secretly recognised & submitted to Israel. By the way this rivalry of Iran and Arabian regimes is deeper than the sectarian basis. Its about the ethnic pride too. They have been at odds well before the time of Jesus Christ.

I support Iran for its stance about the Palestinian struggle and its support for Hizbullah but I also condemn its brutalisation of reformists. Sadly when it comes to Arab regimes I don’t find anything to appreciate do you think that makes me a shia now? lol

 

[Abii]

@ Abii
my friend we are not anti-Iran. We respect Iran for its history and religious places.
Second thing, we are not against Shias. After Iran, Pakistan has largest number of Shia.
Similarily, Ahmedinijad is very popular in Pakistan.
The differences of Governments should not be differences of public.

I never asked for your respect.
I simply asked you guys to use your logic. Many people here say Iran is interfering!!!!!

There are soldiers in Bahrain of every color. Iranians aren't there.
There are politicians of every color in Bahrain. Iranian politicians aren't there.
There are arms and weapons originating from all over the globe. Iranian arms aren't there.
There are people of every color in every part of the Bahraini govt. Iranians aren't there.

Pakistanis have more in common with these people than Iranians these days and it is us who are being blamed for the situation in Bahrain. Good going guys. Way to use your brains.

 

[Mujeeb47]

@ Abii
We are not party in Bahrain game. Saudi Arabia and iran are interfering in Bahrain. So, you should first protest to Bahrain.

 

[chops3d]

hello agnostic, why is this iranian guy not banned or least warned after using his derogatory persian tongue??

 

[Abii]

@ Abii
We are not party in Bahrain game. Saudi Arabia and iran are interfering in Bahrain. So, you should first protest to Bahrain.

never said you were.
You're however sending footsoldiers and thugs to kill protestors. You can stop that.

Right now you're interfering MUCH MORE than Iran.

 

[BATMAN]

Any do you have any knowledge about the role played by the Arab Wahabbis in supporting extremists and terrorists such as the TTP/AQ both financially and through manpower? That role is far more significant and far deadlier for Pakistan than anything Iran is doing or has done.

BTW, on that note, for those arguing that Pakistan is on the wrong side of history in supporting the Arab regimes against the 'Arab people', let me point out that these are the same 'Arab people' who discriminate against Pakistanis (most South Asians actually) and look at them as inferior humans. These are the same 'Arab people' who exploit and humiliate our laborers and workers who sweat and toil in the desert heat for them.

Should we really care if these same 'Arab people' get angry at Pakistan now?

No i have no idea about WAHABIS supporting TTP and AQ leader have no home land but they are living some where between heaven and earth until the day they launch some daring act.. these days they are busy fighting Qadhafi.

I have lived among all Arabs and Iranis and i know the discrimination levels better than any one.
Iranians are being hanged and raped in Iran simply because they do not subscribe to the teaching what is being taught to Pakistani Mullahs in Mashad!

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

of course Pakistan isn't.
As I said, your people are being used as cannon fodder and your leaders are allowing it. As an Iranian, I can never serve another army because if I do, I will be in trouble in Iran. This is the same in many countries but with you guys it seems normal lol

Pakistan has a history of military cooperation with the Arabs and seconding its forces to Arab military arms. This goes back to the Arab-Israeli wars and the need for the Arabs to access well trained military personnel for both training and filling in the gaps, since their own militaries were weak, poorly trained and undeveloped.

So if you look at the military relationship in that anti-Israel historical context, it is not that strange.

At the end of the day the majority are shia and most of the Sunni are also asking for freedom. Add 2+2. The puppet govt of Bahrain is falling.

I am not against the people achieving a representative government, but I am questioning the criticism of Pakistan here, when the decision to take forceful action against the protestors is that of the Arab governments. Bahrain and Saudi Arabia are not the size of Egypt, Libya and Tunisia - the numbers you are looking at (in terms of protesters that need to be controlled) are almost miniscule in comparison. Like it or not, they can be controlled through force.

The size and geography is simply not there to either support an overthrow through a mass uprising, or through some sort of 'insurgency' supported by 'outside actors'.

 

[Mujeeb47]

@ Abii
O.k you are not interfering in Iran. But Why Iran has warned Pakistan about Bahrain.
Sorry, if anything hurts you.

 

[muse]

At the end of the day the responsibility for what happens is that of the rulers of those States. Pakistanis are merely being recruited for particular jobs in those states - Pakistan is not making the decision to fire on protesters or attack them.

technical arguments will not suffice - at the end of the day, the people will, as they already have, identify Pakistanis, as the ones pulling the trigger

The Princes will escape to the West, to where will those Pakistanis who have made homes and lives in the Peninsula and Gulf escape to ??


The people are not the enemy, Pakistan must always be on the side of the People ---- We complain that US for last 60 odd years has had relations with army or establishment but never with the people and that's why it finds her policies identified with values which she herself would never say exemplifies US.

This is a internal problem of these states and the people are always right -- Pakistan has agreements with all these sates to help them in case of aggression, but not against the people, the agreement is to help them deter foreign aggression.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

I support Iran for its stance about the Palestinian struggle and its support for Hizbullah but I also condemn its brutalisation of reformists. Sadly when it comes to Arab regimes I don’t find anything to appreciate do you think that makes me a shia now? lol

Iranians, Arabs (their regimes and supporting classes) and the Pakistani political and fundo elite - there is nothing to like or support in any of them.

Ship them all off to the first human settlement on Mars I say. They will either evolve or die off.

 

[Mujeeb47]

@ Abii
We have sent soldiers on the request of Bahrain. You should protest to Bahrain why it has requested to Pakistan.
But one thing, Iran was our friend, is our friend and will be our friend.