Iran-Pakistan fallout over Bahrain

[Meengla]

technical arguments will not suffice - at the end of the day, the people will, as they already have, identify Pakistanis, as the ones pulling the trigger

The Princes will escape to the West, to where will those Pakistanis who have made homes and lives in the Peninsula and Gulf escape to ??


The people are not the enemy, Pakistan must always be on the side of the People ---- We complain that US for last 60 odd years has had relations with army or establishment but never with the people and that's why it finds her policies identified with values which she herself would never say exemplifies US.

This is a internal problem of these states and the people are always right -- Pakistan has agreements with all these sates to help them in case of aggression, but not against the people, the agreement is to help them deter foreign aggression.

Nicely put!

Anyway, as I said before, Pakistan's ruling elite is unable or unwilling to eat the proverbial grass to make Pakistan self-supporting. When Pakistani military personnel--retired or active--are being used in foreign soils to quash people's movements then it is a matter of national shame to allow that to happen. NO AMOUNT OF MONEY can justify that. Are we really the 'renter Army' as some accuse us of?

PS. As much as I despise Iranian mullahs I still think Iran still has more democracy than all of these Arab states with the exception of Lebanon.

 

[Omar1984]

While i hav alot of respect for people of Iran and Ahmadinijad ... Iran's foreign policy is abject failure ... how many friends hav Iran got in her neighbours ... ? did Iran try to befriend them ? ... Saudi Arabia , China and Turkey are very central to Pakistan's foreign policy and relations . We hav a very old history of trusted and time tested relationship with these three countries AND its not because Pakistan is sunni dominated , its only because Iran choose the wrong side (we had very very close relations with Shah Iran... but later Iranian leaders sidelined our brotherly relations) and the vaccum was filled by Saudis . Its very important for our security and economy that 'status quo' remains in Saudi . Bahrain is a difficult act i admit .

You are right. During the time of Shah of Iran's power in Iran, Pakistan and Iran's relations were the best. Iran became the first country on planet earth to recognize Pakistan in 1947.

Today, it seems like Iran has very few friends. Even the friends that Iran had are running to Saudi Arabia and United States.

Iran's foreign policy is an utter failure.

 

[Omar1984]

They say we Iranians/Persians are money hungry. You guys are worse.

Money and oil talks in today's global politics.

Both Iran and Saudi Arabia are Muslim countries and are very important countries for the Ummah.

However, Saudi Arabia and many Gulf countries has helped Pakistan in time of need especially when U.S. placed sanctions on Pakistan in the 1990's. The only reason why Pakistan wasn't bankrupt when US placed sanctions on Pakistan is because of friendly countries especially Saudi Arabia, Gulf countries like UAE and Bahrain, and China.

Iran is a big question mark for many Pakistanis. Many in Pakistan see Iran as India's real buddy and a two-faced fake buddy of Pakistan. Many in Pakistan also love Iran. So we have mixed feelings about Iran.

But as long as this military action does not hurt Pakistan's national and strategic interests, then I think most Pakistanis will support this military action in Bahrain or will not care to voice against it.

 

[Fieldmarshal]

First quite a few of the members are making it sound as if Pakistan is sending regular troops to Behrain, when that is not the case at all.

[B]It is the retired army personal who are being hired by behrani govt. [/B]. They at the same time are inducted into the army/police as regular soldiers with all the benefits such appointments entail.
The behrani/omani/qatari/uae/saudi armed forces and police have a large percentage of Pakistani working in different capacity since their independence. When they look to expand their armed forces they turn to Pakistan. As due to the large population, size of the armed forces, and the high level of trained ex servicemen available,able and willing to serve in the gulf it is only natural that they turn to Pakistan.

I dont know why iranians and their supporters are getting their panties in a knot.

I dident see u complaining when ur republican guards directly intervened in syria in support of hafiz al asad in killed 30,000 sunni syrians in one day.
They are doing the same in support to support the devils son.
I dident see u complain when ur republican guards intervened directly in afghanistan to support the northern alliance against the taliban, later u were protesting with Pakistan when u had u hind side handed to u by the taliban.
I dident see u complain when u were supporting the houthi, both with weapons and advisors to create trouble with saudi arabia.
I dident see u complain when u brutalize ur own sunni population so much so that u shaheed their masjids and dont allow them separate masjids.

But u have a problem when retired Pakistani personal are recruited by behrain.

Like i said earlier this is not really about shia, sunni, its all about this huge iranian ego and misplaced sense of greatness. When the reality is they like the indians, iran has been ruled by every nation under the sun. No wonder they are such good friends.

 

[BATMAN]

What exactly do you disagree with in my post? Are you actually going to deny that the Arabs treat Pakistani (South Asian) laborers essentially like slaves?

The truth is the truth. I have been critical of Iran from my first post in this thread, but that does not change the fact that the Arabs themselves have a lot of flaws too.

Are you going to deny the fact that Iran does not hire Pakistrani labor at all. I guess out of sheer love.....

We have no diplomatic relations with Iran or people to People contact, we have no flights to Tehran, since the revolution.

As I said even UN & US endorse and support Indo-Iran relations and have no objection for Indian companies operating in Iran and this is going on as we speak.

Now coming to Arabs! it is not as how you explain it.

I my self had worked in all of middleast and i can say all facilities and benefits are better than Pakistan.

For the rest of south Asians middleast life... what you call it slavery is heavn on earth, but i wouldn't care too much because their embassies already care enough for them.

 

[Developereo]

If these are private Pakistani citizens accepting security/military jobs by rich Arab governments, I am not sure what we can do to stop them anyway. The most we could possibly do would be to make it illegal to serve in a foreign military, but the Arab governments would circumvent that by offering citizenship as part of their compensation package. To the local people being roughed up, these guys would always remain Pakistani regardless of their citizenship on paper.

 

[BATMAN]

^^ It is already in progress Bahrain and Saudi Arabia offer citzenship after 10 years, if you are a engineer or doctor or security personal.
There is no condition for religion but you must speak Arabic fluent.
Many Indian and Pakistanis are now Bahraini nationals.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Can't we just take over bahrain and afghanistan ? and call it Pakistan

 

[RazorMC]

Bahrain was literally handing out nationality to foreigners. Many people there thought that it was too much and that they didn't agree with this rule. A recent poll also suggests that many Bahrainis think that foreigners are a cause for problems and that they should just go back to their own countries.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Bahrain was literally handing out nationality to foreigners. Many people there thought that it was too much and that they didn't agree with this rule. A recent poll also suggests that many Bahrainis think that foreigners are a cause for problems and that they should just go back to their own countries.

should that include the Al Khalipah family too? just like the Sauds, they were installed by the British and brought from main land Saudi Arabia

if Al khalipha family reads what you just said then it wont be very "amused"

 

[Omar1984]

Bahrain was literally handing out nationality to foreigners. Many people there thought that it was too much and that they didn't agree with this rule. A recent poll also suggests that many Bahrainis think that foreigners are a cause for problems and that they should just go back to their own countries.

More reason for Pakistan to support the Bahrain government. There are about 100,000 Pakistanis living in Bahrain. The government of Bahrain is pro-foreigners while the people are anti-foreigners.

Maybe its a good thing to send our troops to Bahrain to protect the Pakistanis in Bahrain.

 

[Developereo]

The government of Bahrain is pro-foreigners while the people are anti-foreigners.

The whole point of contention in Bahrain (70% Shia) is the government's immigration policy which is specifically designed to import large numbers of Sunnis. Again, I don't blame the immigrants; only the tyrants ruling Bahrain.

How would you react if Pakistan had a Christian dictator who brought in large numbers of Christian immigrants to dilute the Muslim majority in Pakistan?

 

[pak-marine]

iran can think watever but we have enough problems our selves

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Last time i heard....bahraini opposition leader was blaming iran for its proxy n tellin it to get out of bahrain?

Our ppl r not going there to kill others....... this has been going on since decades and is not a new "phenomena".

Also who is iran to talk abt the internal issues of bahrain? when itself is involved in proxies in syria,lebanon n now bahrain........... why does it not say anything abt syrian govt????

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

The whole point of contention in Bahrain (70% Shia) is the government's immigration policy which is specifically designed to import large numbers of Sunnis. Again, I don't blame the immigrants; only the tyrants ruling Bahrain.

How would you react if Pakistan had a Christian dictator who brought in large numbers of Christian immigrants to dilute the Muslim majority in Pakistan?

Again care to explain ur example???
R u comparing sunnis to christians? Thts one hell of an example.
Wat r the evil christian sunnis of bahrain doing there to change the balance? killing them?


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Do u know shias of bahrain consider them shia first n thn loyal to iran?

The real story of Bahrain's divided society | Tahiyya Lulu | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk

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Also if u go by this shia-sunni crap.... lets talk abt the sunnis in Iran?
But Nooo...... right?

P.S=The main thing is Iran is meddling in the affairs of bahrain just like in syria(a majority sunni country being raped by a shia dictator,lebanon)...........