Iran nukes could stabilize region

[p(-)0ENiX]

No man contrary to your assertion I believe we Pakistanis owe a debt to Turks, Arabs and Iranians for introducing Islam and our culture to us.

Turks, Arabs, Iranians, & Pakistanis don't owe anything to anyone. All nations on earth have influenced each other's language or culture or anything else in some form or another. Speaking of religion, you don't owe your religion to anyone besides God. A person believes in his or her religion out of their own free will, no one can force you to adopt a religion you do not believe in. All of mankind is free to convert to Islam the instant they believe in it. In general knowledge flows from society to society, the flow of knowledge is exactly what cultivates innovation resulting in the progress of mankind.

You should respect your Muslim brothers & sisters, but never believe you owe anyone anything. Such beliefs will only make you think less of yourselves.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

It so annoying how some Arab members are desperately tying to convince others "we are not like this"
Th fact is that without us Pakistan would have been nuked by India. A scenario that we mistakenly not allowed to happen...

India didn't have the capability to nuke Pakistan, but it is undeniably true that Arabs have provided with funds for Pakistan's nuclear program.

So a strong powerful Pakistan will serve the interests for all Arabic nations.

 

[King Solomon]

Yes, I agree Iran's nukes could stabilize region. It will prevent any Iranian-arab conflict from arising in the islamic world.

It is good to see pakistan helping Iran for nuclear tech. As far as I have read they gave the centrifuge tech to Iran.

Arabs can also be nuclear powers, though they are decades behind at tech. But at the moment, with declarations against Iran like "we will cut off the head of the snake" I think they are not mature/responsible enough for nukes yet.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

You dont owe us anything except your existance!
There is a reason why every Pakistani presidnt first visit HAS to be Suadi Arabia, Its a tribute to master.

We don't owe Saudi's anything ..... Whatsover. Of course our leaders respect the Camel because it sit's on top of the world's largest oil deposits.

Even the US Presidents make a point of visting the oil Camel in the desert but that's how it is. You have to even respect a Camel if it happens to be sat on black gold.

* Please be advised that I am not making any connection between our brothers the Arabs and the Camel. The former is two legged and the latter is four legged with a brain.

Any monetary help came from Gaddafi in the 1970s and that was because he thought Bhutto would give him the finished product. This notion of Saudi's even wanting Pakistani nukes is a fallacy. KSA depends on USA to protect it as is evidenced by the first Gulf War so why would they want nukes. To annoy their 'uncle' the USA?

And I do hope the Iranian's get the nukes if for no reason to annoy the Saudi's. If anybody want's proof of how the Saudi's are a two faced hypocrites consider this. Iran has made a enemy out of Isreal and invited retaliation because of it's support of Palestinian right to freedom.

How do fellow Arab's brothers of the Palestinians, the Saudi's pay back Iran? By telling the Yanks secretly to 'chop the head of the snake' That says it all.

The Saudi's striking oil was probably one of the biggest disaster to hit the Islamic world. The petrodollars allowed the Saudi's to export their primitive fossilized Islam to the Islamic world. This has wrought destruction to poor countries where those petrodollars have sponsored a tidal wave of primitive Salafism and fueled terrorism.

WikiLeaks: Saudis Largest Source of Terror Funds

WikiLeaks: Saudis Largest Source of Terror Funds - World Watch - CBS News

WikiLeaks: Saudis Largest Source of Terror Funds
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton urged U.S. diplomats to do more to stop the flow of money to Islamist militant groups from donors in Saudi Arabia.

********.com - WikiLeaks: Saudis Largest Source of Terror Funds

 

[lkozhi]

May be stabilize pakistan with nukes on both sides

 

[Mosamania]

We don't owe Saudi's anything ..... Whatsover. Of course our leaders respect the Camel because it sit's on top of the world's largest oil deposits.

Even the US Presidents make a point of visting the oil Camel in the desert but that's how it is. You have to even respect a Camel if it happens to be sat on black gold.

* Please be advised that I am not making any connection between our brothers the Arabs and the Camel. The former is two legged and the latter is four legged with a brain.

Any monetary help came from Gaddafi in the 1970s and that was because he thought Bhutto would give him the finished product. This notion of Saudi's even wanting Pakistani nukes is a fallacy. KSA depends on USA to protect it as is evidenced by the first Gulf War so why would they want nukes. To annoy their 'uncle' the USA?

And I do hope the Iranian's get the nukes if for no reason to annoy the Saudi's. If anybody want's proof of how the Saudi's are a two faced hypocrites consider this. Iran has made a enemy out of Isreal and invited retaliation because of it's support of Palestinian right to freedom.

How do fellow Arab's brothers of the Palestinians, the Saudi's pay back Iran? By telling the Yanks secretly to 'chop the head of the snake' That says it all.

The Saudi's striking oil was probably one of the biggest disaster to hit the Islamic world. The petrodollars allowed the Saudi's to export their primitive fossilized Islam to the Islamic world. This has wrought destruction to poor countries where those petrodollars have sponsored a tidal wave of primitive Salafism and fueled terrorism.

WikiLeaks: Saudis Largest Source of Terror Funds

WikiLeaks: Saudis Largest Source of Terror Funds - World Watch - CBS News

WikiLeaks: Saudis Largest Source of Terror Funds
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton urged U.S. diplomats to do more to stop the flow of money to Islamist militant groups from donors in Saudi Arabia.

********.com - WikiLeaks: Saudis Largest Source of Terror Funds

And in the end a post likes this arise and by far throws any hope left at all out of the window...

You have a problem with us I hear they are selling suicide belts at Mosques in Britain. Go for one "Prince Ahmad"... Do us all a favor and take both of you out of this world.

 

[A1Kaid]

That was totally uncalled for. Saudi Arabia helps Pakistan because Pakistan is Saudi Arabia main strategic ally and partner in the world. Pakistan's strength is KSA's strength and vice versa. Don't let the few bad apples here ruin how you see Pakistan and Pakistanis.

Agreed, both Pakistan and KSA are strategic partners and the bilateral ties must be strengthened and restructured. Changes in leadership must occur in both parties in order for this bilateral relationship to cut some edges,


Edit:
I don't support Iran having nuclear weapons development capability.

 

[IFB]

We don't owe Saudi's anything ..... Whatsover. Of course our leaders respect the Camel because it sit's on top of the world's largest oil deposits.

Even the US Presidents make a point of visting the oil Camel in the desert but that's how it is. You have to even respect a Camel if it happens to be sat on black gold.

* Please be advised that I am not making any connection between our brothers the Arabs and the Camel. The former is two legged and the latter is four legged with a brain.

Any monetary help came from Gaddafi in the 1970s and that was because he thought Bhutto would give him the finished product. This notion of Saudi's even wanting Pakistani nukes is a fallacy. KSA depends on USA to protect it as is evidenced by the first Gulf War so why would they want nukes. To annoy their 'uncle' the USA?

And I do hope the Iranian's get the nukes if for no reason to annoy the Saudi's. If anybody want's proof of how the Saudi's are a two faced hypocrites consider this. Iran has made a enemy out of Isreal and invited retaliation because of it's support of Palestinian right to freedom.

How do fellow Arab's brothers of the Palestinians, the Saudi's pay back Iran? By telling the Yanks secretly to 'chop the head of the snake' That says it all.

The Saudi's striking oil was probably one of the biggest disaster to hit the Islamic world. The petrodollars allowed the Saudi's to export their primitive fossilized Islam to the Islamic world. This has wrought destruction to poor countries where those petrodollars have sponsored a tidal wave of primitive Salafism and fueled terrorism.

WikiLeaks: Saudis Largest Source of Terror Funds

WikiLeaks: Saudis Largest Source of Terror Funds - World Watch - CBS News

WikiLeaks: Saudis Largest Source of Terror Funds
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton urged U.S. diplomats to do more to stop the flow of money to Islamist militant groups from donors in Saudi Arabia.

********.com - WikiLeaks: Saudis Largest Source of Terror Funds

Very good post

 

[King Solomon]

And in the end a post likes this arise and by far throws any hope left at all out of the window...

You have a problem with us I hear they are selling suicide belts at Mosques in Britain. Go for one "Prince Ahmad"... Do us all a favor and take both of you out of this world.

Why don't you have anything to say about the racist nonsense by Banu earlier (now deleted), whose reply the quoted post by Atanz was? You always overlook and have no problem with the fascist and racist posts by your fellow Arabs, yet whine when one person replies in kind to the nonsense put forth.

 

[Desert Fox]

Yeah it is funny seeing some people here claiming that Saudi strategic missile force is now obsolete and useless considerng it is the main branch in the military that hires Saudi engineers and by far the second biggest looked after force after the air force.

Yeah sure the force tripling in numbers since 2003 indicate that it is only operating the CSS-2 missiles. Right?

Just one question; What makes you so sure that there are other missiles besides the CSS-2?

 

[IFB]

As for strategic BM in KSA, there is none. KSA does not have any operational BM. Even those dud and dead DF-3's were never even tested. Saudi air force could not bomb Baghdad and had to get US to protect it. So no, KSA air force is nothing. All they can do is fly high and radio: "Mayday, Mayday, We need US air force to protect the king, Long live the King, Mayday, Mayday". That is their only operational capability.

I almost died laughing reading this post

 

[Desert Fox]

We don't owe Saudi's anything ..... Whatsover. Of course our leaders respect the Camel because it sit's on top of the world's largest oil deposits.

Even the US Presidents make a point of visting the oil Camel in the desert but that's how it is. You have to even respect a Camel if it happens to be sat on black gold.

* Please be advised that I am not making any connection between our brothers the Arabs and the Camel. The former is two legged and the latter is four legged with a brain.

Any monetary help came from Gaddafi in the 1970s and that was because he thought Bhutto would give him the finished product. This notion of Saudi's even wanting Pakistani nukes is a fallacy. KSA depends on USA to protect it as is evidenced by the first Gulf War so why would they want nukes. To annoy their 'uncle' the USA?

And I do hope the Iranian's get the nukes if for no reason to annoy the Saudi's. If anybody want's proof of how the Saudi's are a two faced hypocrites consider this. Iran has made a enemy out of Isreal and invited retaliation because of it's support of Palestinian right to freedom.

How do fellow Arab's brothers of the Palestinians, the Saudi's pay back Iran? By telling the Yanks secretly to 'chop the head of the snake' That says it all.

The Saudi's striking oil was probably one of the biggest disaster to hit the Islamic world. The petrodollars allowed the Saudi's to export their primitive fossilized Islam to the Islamic world. This has wrought destruction to poor countries where those petrodollars have sponsored a tidal wave of primitive Salafism and fueled terrorism.

WikiLeaks: Saudis Largest Source of Terror Funds

WikiLeaks: Saudis Largest Source of Terror Funds - World Watch - CBS News

WikiLeaks: Saudis Largest Source of Terror Funds
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton urged U.S. diplomats to do more to stop the flow of money to Islamist militant groups from donors in Saudi Arabia.

********.com - WikiLeaks: Saudis Largest Source of Terror Funds

Lets not insult fellow members by referring to their country as "camel".

 

[King Solomon]

Just one question; What makes you so sure that there are other missiles besides the CSS-2?

Both pakistan and iran has cruise/ballastic missile capability. They both tested their missiles many times. Russia, US, China, NK and everyone did. The fact that Saudi arabia did not test any ballistic missile, let alone cruise missile is testament to the fact that they do not have any such capability.

Debkafile reports a few days ago Saudi is desperate to get hand on Chinese missiles: DEBKAfile, Political Analysis, Espionage, Terrorism, Security

If this news is true, this just proves how desperate Saudi is because they don't have any missile capability.

 

[Desert Fox]

Good for you. So next time when Iraqis come at your border, do not beg Americans to come and save you. Use your five "pillars" instead of female American marines.

Come one guys, keep out the cheap shots. He posted numbers and a valid argument.

saudi gives a damn about Pakistan - to say that Pakistan n Saudis have nuclear co-operation is a big farce....
There are pragamatic scenarios as under:

Saudi is afraid to store nuclear arms in thier counry, because if mosad knows this, saudi will be a target and its vast oil producing instalation would come to halt with just few Israeli strikes.

Now, If pakistan has provided tacit support a la nuke umbrella - as is the case of USa to Japan, South korea, Australia,
New zealand....then why is Saudi treating Pakistan and its citizens shabily?

When pakistan was in financial trouble, saudi did not come with a hefty cash to bail out Pakistan. This shows that Saudi is not interested in Pakistan,s nuke arsenal. And precisely that way, they are buying conventional weaponary from kafir lands.

Pakistanis are delusional here on PDF about Saudi Pak sweet relations which do not exist this way anyway.

Well, you do make somewhat if a valid point, though you need to change your tone because some "delusional Pakistanis" aren't making these claims up, there are countless articles written on this subject by Western Experts and Analysts besides Pakistani experts/analysts that there is (or was) most likely a cooperation between Saudi and Pakistan.

Regarding israeli strikes on Saudi, not possible my friend, not possible.

Well, you know what guys, i see Mosa and Saudi/Arab members debating constructively but a few members are replying in an unnecessarily aggressive tone with cheap shots. Not good.

I'm sorry but this made me LOL

 

[Desert Fox]

In March 2006, the German magazine Cicero reported that Saudi Arabia had since 2003 received assistance from Pakistan to acquire nuclear missiles and warheads. Satellite photos allegedly reveal an underground city and nuclear silos with Ghauri rockets in Al-Sulaiyil, south of the capital Riyadh.[9] Pakistan has denied aiding Saudi Arabia in any nuclear ambitions.[10]

Nuclear program of Saudi Arabia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So basically there is a possibility that Pakistan might have assisted Saudi in missile technology?