Iran and the Shah: What Really Happened

[al-Hasani]

You are posting all the time articles from Wikipedia so you're the Wikipedia bitch not me

Turks were irrelevant in Islamic history? Lol what about Seljuks, Ottomans, Mughals, Timurids, Safavids or the Delhi Sultanate? Without Persians and Turks Islam wouldn't be the second biggest religion you moron. Arabs were only relevant in Islamic history as spreaders of barbarian sects like Wahabism which exists in its lowest form in the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria now.

Do any Latin Arab Americans speak Arabic? No because they are fully assimilated into the Spanish and Portuguese American countries. Your comparison with Turks is ridiculous. Any Turk in Germany can speak Turkish and the same will go for the future generations of Turks in Germany.

You are the one that is spamming PDF with Wikipedia articles. You even fought with your fellow Turks about that.

The first 500 years. Can't you read?

Mughals were Mongols. Not Turks. Same with Timurids. Paternally they were Mongols but they had intermarried with Turks. Does not make them Turk. Their culture was influenced by Persian and Arab culture.

Arabs had spread Islam to South Asia already, all of Northern Africa, Sub-Saharan Africa, Turkey, Al-Andalus (Europe), Caucasus, Central Asia, Iran, Arabia, Levant, Mesopotamia and contacts where already established with South East Asia.

So don't get ahead of yourself. Arabs did 90% of the job.

Also Arabs reached South Asia a few decades after the Prophets (saws) death. Kerala more precisely were some of the earliest mosques can be found. In fact Arab Sufi saints and Sadah families were the ones that spread Islam in South East Asia. Not barbarian Mongols.

@al-Hasani
Abbasids became puppets of persian buyids and turkic generals after 200 years. We played with them, blinded and killed some of them, we made some of them flee towards Iran (3/4 of these abbasid caliphs/kings were killed by Iranians). Buyids even cursed aisha and umar in Baghdad in front of Abbasid caliphs. Finally a coalition of mongols with turkic-persian-armenian-georgian soldiers put them out of their misery.

Puppets that ruled Iran and used Iranian slaves. Go tell yourself that to make yourself feel better, LOL.

Lets be realistic, there are millions of 2nd and 3rd generation Turks with pretty broken Turkish, some cant even speak their mother language, my first three years of my school life was in Turkey so my Turkish is pretty good, even i can tell that many immigrant kids Turkish is funny to listen.

By his logic then he is a German not a Turk. Those Arabs I mentioned are 2 generation Arabs. Many still speak Arabic. So his nonsense claim of nothing to do with Arabs is what it is. His usual nonsense. But sure ethnic Arabs have nothing to do with Arabs.

I wonder if he is not one of those that claim German Turks achievements as Turks. In fact I am 100% sure that he is. Double standards once again.

But he loves me. This is clear. It's day 3 in a row that he writes to me trying to get my attention.

 

[Charon 2]

You are the one that is spamming PDF with Wikipedia articles. You even fought with your fellow Turks about that.

The first 500 years. Can't you read?

Mughals were Mongols. Not Turks. Same with Timurids.

Arabs had spread Islam to South Asia already, all of Northern Africa, Sub-Saharan Africa, Turkey, Al-Andalus (Europe), Caucasus, Central Asia, Iran, Arabia, Levant, Mesopotamia and contacts where already established with South East Asia.

So don't get ahead of yourself. Arabs did 90% of the job.

Also Arabs reached South Asia a few decades after the Prophets (saws) death. Kerala more precisely were some of the earliest mosques can be found. In fact Arab Sufi saints and Sadah families were the ones that spread Islam in South East Asia. Not barbarian Mongols.

You don't have any basic knowledge. Neither Timurids nor Mughals were Mongols but I shouldn't be surprised by a ignorant Pan-semitist like you who claims the achievments of Akkadians and Phoenicians as Arab achievments

The Mughal Empire (Urdu: مغلیہ سلطنت‎, Mug̱ẖliyah Salṭanat),[5]self-designated as Gurkani (Persian: گورکانیان‎, Gūrkāniyān),[6] was a Persianate[7][8] empire extending over large parts of the Indian subcontinent and ruled by a dynasty of Chagatai-Turkic origin[9][10][11

Islam came to Anatolia with Seljuk conquests. The Arabs tried to Islamize Anatolia but they failed against the Byzantines.

As for India: Arabs played a minimal rolle in the Islamization of South Asia. They only Islamized coastal Kerala but that's it. The rest of South Asia including Pakistan was Islamized by Turks, Persians and Afghans.

 

[Iranwillrise]

@al-Hasani

Puppets that ruled Iran and used Iranian slaves. Go tell yourself that to make yourself feel better, LOL.

It's a fact, after 200 years abbasids were just rulers in title, they became puppets of seljuqs and buyids. The same people who did worser things than slavery, killing 2000000 arabs and raping whole baghdad.
Still these wahabis curse Persian Shia Scientist and advisor of Hulagu (Naser Din Al-Tusi).

Difference is that we Persians don't brag, while you arabs are like spoiled children who brag and receive slaps from foreign powers (US, Israel, Iran etc). However I do think we should be proud about it, we should learn from Turks: putting nationalism in our books.

 

[al-Hasani]

You don't have any basic knowledge. Neither Timurids nor Mughals were Mongols but I shouldn't be surprised by a ignorant Pan-semitist like you who claims the achievments of Akkadians and Phoenicians as Arab achievments

The Mughal Empire (Urdu: مغلیہ سلطنت‎, Mug̱ẖliyah Salṭanat),[5]self-designated as Gurkani (Persian: گورکانیان‎, Gūrkāniyān),[6] was a Persianate[7][8] empire extending over large parts of the Indian subcontinent and ruled by a dynasty of Chagatai-Turkic origin[9][10][11

Islam came to Anatolia with Seljuk conquests. The Arabs tried to Islamize Anatolia but they failed against the Byzantines.

As for India: Arabs played a minimal rolle in the Islamization of South Asia. They only Islamized coastal Kerala but that's it. The rest of South Asia including Pakistan was Islamized by Turks, Persians and Afghans.

Yes, they were.

Zahir-ud-din Muhammad Babur (14 February 1483 – 26 December 1530; sometimes also spelt Baber or Babar) was a conqueror from Central Asia who, following a series of setbacks, finally succeeded in laying the basis for the Mughal dynasty in the Indian Subcontinent and became the first Mughal emperor. He was a direct descendant of Timur, from the Barlas clan, through his father, and also a descendant of Genghis Khan through his mother. Culturally, he was greatly influenced by the Persian culture and this affected both his own actions and those of his successors, giving rise to a significant expansion of the Persianate ethos in the Indian subcontinent.[2][3]

Timur was Mongol. Babur, the founder of the Mughal empire was his direct paternal descendent. Thus his lineage was Mongol. That he mad intermarried with Turks does not make him Turk. At the end of the Mughal rule most Mughals looked like your average Indian.

Timur - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Mughals also had intermarried with Arabs and Persians.

Timur was born in Transoxiana, near the City of Kesh (an area now better known as Shahrisabz, "the green city"), some 80 kilometres (50 mi) south of Samarkand in modern-day Uzbekistan, part of what was then the Chagatai Khanate.[15] His father, Taraqai, was a minor noble belonging to the Barlas tribe.[15] The Barlas were originally a Mongol tribe[16][17] that became Turkified.[18][19][20]

Timur - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You are the retard as usual. Name calling does not suit idiots like you.

Haha. Now you changed from the entire Muslim world (that Arabs converted almost entirely) to South Asia. Pathetic. Yet Arabs were the first people who spread Islam to South Asia and Arab Sufis and "Saints" and Sadah families played a absolutely crucial role. Persians also in this regard.

But keep writing nonsense for all I care.

So are you a German now or Turk? After all second generation Arabs are not Arabs anymore. Thus you are a Turk. Germans will be angry hearing that.

 

[Charon 2]

Yes, they were.



Timur was Mongol. Babur, the founder of the Mughal empire was his direct paternal descendent. Thus his lineage was Mongol. That he mad intermarried with Turks those not make him Turk. At the end of the Mughal rule most Mughals looked like your average Indian.

Timur - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Mughals also had intermarried with Arabs and Persians.



Timur - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You are the retard as usual. Name calling those not suit idiots like you.

Haha. Now you changed from the entire Muslim world (that Arabs converted almost entirely) to South Asia. Pathetic. Yet Arabs were the first who spread Islam to South Asia and Arab Sufis and "Saints" and Sadah families played a absolutely crucial role. Persians also in this regard.

Timur was Turkic you stupid Wahabi, not Mongol. His mother tongue was Chagatai Turkic ( ancestor of modern Uzbek language) which makes him Turkic not Mongol


Babur wrote his memoirs and these form the main source for details of his life. They are known as the Baburnama and were written in Chaghatai Turkic, his mother-tongue,[12][unreliable source?] though his prose was highly Persianized in its sentence structure, morphology and vocabulary.[7] Baburnama was translated in Persian during the rule of Babur's grandson Akbar.[12][unreliable source?]


Since he was a patrilineal descendant of Timur, Babur regarded himself a Timurid and a Turk.[54][55]

After the battle Babur occupied Delhi and Agra, seated himself on the throne of Lodi and laid the foundation of the Mughal Rule in India, but it was yet to be established and Babur was yet to become the ruler of India, as new contenders for the throne like, Rana Sanga, who rose to challenge his rule.[43] However, Babur was able to take the fortress of Bayana, after sending the commander, Nizam Khan, a convincing poem in Persian:

"Strive not with the Turk, O Mir of Bayana."[44]

 

[INDIC]

As for India: Arabs played a minimal rolle in the Islamization of South Asia. They only Islamized coastal Kerala but that's it. The rest of South Asia including Pakistan was Islamized by Turks, Persians and Afghans.

Persians were mainly in Sufi movement and admired for their knowledge in courts of Muslim rulers. The Turk and Afghans were mainly into conquest. The Arabs conquered Sindh and had centuries old trade relations with India's west coast.

 

[al-Hasani]

Timur was Turkic you stupid Wahabi, not Mongol. His mother tongue was Chagatai Turkic ( ancestor of modern Uzbek language) which makes ihm Turkic not Mongol

Babur wrote his memoirs and these form the main source for details of his life. They are known as the Baburnama and were written in Chaghatai Turkic, his mother-tongue,[12][unreliable source?] though his prose was highly Persianized in its sentence structure, morphology and vocabulary.[7] Baburnama was translated in Persian during the rule of Babur's grandson Akbar.[12][unreliable source?]


Since he was a patrilineal descendant of Timur, Babur regarded himself a Timurid and a Turk.[54][55]

After the battle Babur occupied Delhi and Agra, seated himself on the throne of Lodi and laid the foundation of the Mughal Rule in India, but it was yet to be established and Babur was yet to become the ruler of India, as new contenders for the throne like, Rana Sanga, who rose to challenge his rule.[43] However, Babur was able to take the fortress of Bayana, after sending the commander, Nizam Khan, a convincing poem in Persian:

"Strive not with the Turk, O Mir of Bayana."[44]

Why are you lying and trying to change the historical facts? I am a Makkawi Hashemite of the Shafi'i fiqh. I don't know what a Wahhabi is, my Pagan clown. You seem very, very upset.

Timur was a Mongol. He belonged to the Mongol tribe Barlas. It was a Turkified tribe though. Still Mongol.

Persians were mainly in Sufi movement and admired for their knowledge in courts of Muslim rulers. The Turk and Afghans were mainly into conquest. The Arabs conquered Sindh and had centuries old trade relations with India's west coast.

Most of the "saints" were actually Arabs and from Sadah families. Many of the people that came from Iran themselves were Sadah families.

@KingMamba should know.

 

[INDIC]

Babur, the founder of the Mughal empire was his direct paternal descendent. Thus his lineage was Mongol. That he mad intermarried with Turks those not make him Turk. At the end of the Mughal rule most Mughals look like your average Indian.

Babur was a Turko-Mongol, they referred themselves as Mongols(Mughals) but spoke Chagtai Turkish language. Although his descendents left Turkish language for Persian language.

 

[IndoUS]

@rmi5 your comments surprised me a lot.

arey bhai kayi kay leya aag laga raha hai.

 

[al-Hasani]

Babur was a Turko-Mongol, they referred themselves as Mongols(Mughals) but spoke Chagtai Turkish language. Although his descendents left Turkish language for Persian language.

I never said that they were not Turkified or partially Turk. All I am saying which all sources confirm is that his paternal lineage was Mongol. Anyway the Mughals themselves adopted Persian culture mostly and at the end of their rule they looked like your native Northern Indian. Not sure why that fool is so upset.

 

[INDIC]

arey bhai kayi kay leya aag laga raha hai.

no such thing dude.

 

[Charon 2]

Why are you lying and trying to change the historical facts? I am a Makkawi Hashemite of the Shafi'i fiqh. I don't know what a Wahhabi is, my Pagan clown. You seem very, very upset.

Timur was a Mongol. He belonged to the Mongol tribe Barlas. It was a Turkified tribe though. Still Mongol.



Most of the "saints" were actually Arabs and from Sadah families. Many of the people that came from Iran themselves were Sadah families.

@KingMamba should know.

Some Kazakh tribes are originally of Mongol origin but they still speak the Turkic Kazakh language. Are they Mongolians now? You have a stupid logic. The Barlas were a mixed Turco-Mongol tribe who got completely Turkicized so Tamerlane was more Turkic than Mongol.

The Barlas (Chagatay/Persian: برلاس‎ Barlās; also Berlas;Mongolian: Barlas) were a Turco-Mongol[1][2] nomadic confederation in Central Asia.[3][4]

 

[IndoUS]

no such thing dude.

Asking a Saudi and Irani to discuss religious matter, is like asking an Indian and Pakistani to discuss Kashmir and have logical discussion.

 

[al-Hasani]

Some Kazakh tribes are originally of Mongol origin but they still speak the Turkic Kazakh language. Are they Mongolians now? You have a stupid logic. The Barlas were a mixed Turco-Mongol tribe who got completely Turkicized so Tamerlane was more Turkic than Mongol.

The Barlas (Chagatay/Persian: برلاس‎ Barlās; also Berlas;Mongolian: Barlas) were a Turco-Mongol[1][2] nomadic confederation in Central Asia.[3][4]

Why are you even discussing this? All historians agree that the Barlas tribe is Mongol in origin but that it was Turkified. Later Timur married some Turks around Uzbekistan and afterwards his offspring settled in India they started marrying Persians, locals, Arabs etc. and ultimately his descendants ended up looking like this; As your average South Asian/Indian.



Mongols and Turks are closely related anyway. You know just like Arabs and Assyrians for instance.

What was Turkic about those empires anyway? Mongols originally, Persian/Arab culture and local soldiers and advisers. Yes, they were partially Turkic in origin early on and the Barlas tribe was Turkified but does that make them Turkic? Well, they are called Mongol/Turkic Turkic/Mongol for a reason.

 

[Charon 2]

Why are you even discussing this. All historians agree that the Barlas tribe is Mongol in origin but that it was Turkified. Later Timur married some Turks around Uzbekistan and afterwards his ancestors settled in India they started marrying Persians, locals, Arabs etc. and ultimately his descendants ended up looking like this; As your average South Asian/Indian.

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Mongols and Turks are closely related anyway. You know just like Arabs and Assyrians for instance.

So what? If my mother tongue is English than I'm English and as Timurs and Baburs mother-tongue were Chagatai Turkic they were ethnically Turkic. It's simply as that. The Barlas were never pure Mongols but rather a mixed Turco-Mongol nomadic confederation who got completely Turkicized

The Turkish and Mongolian language are just as related as Swedish and Kurdish and it's not even proven if Turkic and Mongolic languages belong to a greater language family but that's another topic