Messerschmitt
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Bro, i understood you after couple of posts, you are against any relations with iran, got it.
I am no expert and maybe i am naive but i will always aplaud when muslim states smooth their relations and possibly elevate it on higher levels.
Regarding your initial question, we got similiar kind of deal anyway sponsored by usa.
Bro drink some lassi. It’ll help you.
Ok deal is done, lets see what will come out.No, you read wrong. I am not a spokesman of KSA nor Arabs, as I am not an Arab. I lived in KSA for most of my life and naturally have an affinity to KSA and Arabs but that is besides the point here. I could be a Jewish Eskimo for that it is worth.
I have my own opinions and I won't support this agreement or deal just because KSA's regime signed it. I consider this deal as naive and as an insult to the 1000's of Yemenis, Syrians, Iraqis etc. that died at the hands of Iranian Mullah actions.
Most importantly, I have seen this story repeat itself many times before with the same end goal, Iranian backstabbing and broken promises.
UNTIL this changes, (ground realities change), there is no reason for anyone to take such deals and agreements seriously. Talk is cheap.
BTW China is just interested in stable oil, gas shipments from the region and they are trading with both Arabs and Iranians, albeit naturally the Arab-China trade is many times bigger.
Also China has no military presence in the region to forcefully or at least ensure that this deal will not be broken by the parties. The Chinese are betting on both parties not shooting themselves in the foot (money wise) by starting a conflict.
Similarly to some anonymous troll/Mullah simp claiming bogus. Works both ways.
Now, since you appeared here, because your beloved Mullah's were criticized for once (maybe this explains your presence on PDF, it is one of the few forums where they are not ridiculed and where things are not spoken as they are), can you disprove any of the factual points that I made?
Start with explaining to everyone reading this or seeing this post, why your beloved Iranian Mullah's have tried to expand their useless and backward "Islamic revolution" in the Arab wold (to no avail), why your Mullah's are using numerous terrorist proxies in solely war-torn/unstable Arab countries, while at the same crying about the Great Satan (USA) and their imperialism, why so many Iranians have a widespread hatred/inferiority complexes towards Arabs, why Iran has the lowest mosque attendance in the Muslim world, why the internet is flooded with rabid anti-Muslim Iranians etc.
Most importantly, you should explain people where why Arab regimes should trust your Mullah's by signing such useless agreements and deals when this movie has been repeated numerous times already with the same outcome, an Iranian stab in the back?
Most importantly, can you guarantee, now that the Mullah's have suddenly failed in love with the same Arabs that they used to demonize, that the same Iranian Mullah's will not send weapons to terrorist groups such as Houthis tomorrow?
In short why should those Arab regimes be trusting your beloved Mullah's that you keep singing praises of 24/7 while based in Belgium/Europe?
Ok deal is done, lets see what will come out.
I understand concerns and there are lot of true things you mentioned but tell me what is alternative to be in war scenarios matrix for incoming decades while rest of the world is leaping forward without looking back?
Very well aware of injustice but wouldn't be greater injustice to further pedal wars and conflicts among the muslims especially?
Says the mongrel Christian saudi
Says the German/Saudi ISIS leader
Your mom was a poor german cocktail sucker working in an restaurant 24/7 and your dad was a black najdi immigrant
According to Islam you are an illegitimate because you born out of marriage and your mom is an atheist (even christian born)
The Europe is just like the middle east, which is divided into many countries.A major problem with Muslim countries is that they don’t have a central power like other civilizations. E.g. USA for the West, China for Chinese, Russia for Orthodox etc.
Till 100 years ago Muslims had the Ottoman Empire as their leading nation. All Muslims around the world considered the caliph in Istanbul as their leader.
After WW1 Muslims were split into 50+ counties and left with illegitimate elites beholden to Western control. Pakistan’s British Indian army is a classic example of an organization that still serves foreign masters and enemies of Islam. Pakistan’s elite all have their money stashed abroad, which makes their interests aligned with the West rather than the Muslim world. It’s the same with most Muslim rulers.
It’s good that China is making an effort to knock some sense into squabbling Muslims to come together. In their own way the Russians are also trying.
Despite the devastation brought on the Muslim world by the West the rulers still can’t get together and work out a joint strategy on their own. So it’s good that someone else is knocking their heads together.
Deer ayed durust ayed.
Ok deal is done, lets see what will come out.
I understand concerns and there are lot of true things you mentioned but tell me what is alternative to be in war scenarios matrix for incoming decades while rest of the world is leaping forward without looking back?
Very well aware of injustice but wouldn't be greater injustice to further pedal wars and conflicts among the muslims especially?
Indeed. The idea that China would be leading such a massive detente between two of the major regional powers in West Asia, with zero involvement from the USA, would be simply unthinkable in prior years. The years of American domination of the world stage, let alone West Asia, are over.Serious diplomatic win for China and loss of face for US. The Saudi official statement starts by mentioning Xi. This must feel like a slap for US diplomats.
This is interesting, the American administrations are wanting to isolate iran and create a division between Iran and gulf countries whereas the Chinese trying to bring them together.
You know what's funny, brother? The recent failed riots in Iran with their borderline Islamophobic tendencies, which failed to mobilize more than a few tens of thousands out of 85 million, were fully backed and incited by a Saudi-funded Persian-language broadcaster based in London (now in the USA) calling itself "Iran International". In fact that channel played the biggest role of all in trying to fan the unrest. You're welcome to take a look at the corresponding thread at the Iranian section of the forum, where this is perfectly documented.
The entire exiled opposition to the Islamic Republic, including its secular nationalist component around which the Islamophobic sub-current has historically gravitated, happens to be bankrolled by the regime in Riyadh. While Moslem Iranians loyal to the Islamic Republic, Iran's legitimate government, are the first to denounce those Islamophobic oppositionists.
At any rate though, it's quite rich of Saudi regime supporters to try and demonize Iran and her people by singling out a secularist ultra-nationalist opposition which the Saudi regime itself is showering with US dollars. Fact is that the Saudi regime sees eye to eye with these people because both are united in their hostility towards the Iranian government. Any attempt at amalgamating the Islamic Republic and its opposition is, naturally, an exercise in downright absurdity.
Let's see whether the recent agreement would lead to a rectification of this Saudi policy. Riyadh no doubt entered the business of funding the exiled Iranian opposition because they and their western patrons lost badly to Iran's allies in conflicts theaters across the region (Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Yemen) so they thought they'd use said funding as a bargaining chip on the day negotiations would take place.
As to whether or not Iranian Moslems are sincere in their beliefs and faith, rather than allowing online drivel from dubious sources to mislead you, I think you'll know better simply by referring to the role Iran played in assisting Bosnian brothers during the war. Certainly it wasn't "hatred for Islam" which motivated the assistance. I'm confident you're knowledgeable enough not to fall for such nonsense.