Intelligence Report: "My Stand is with Pakistan"

[BATMAN]

I don’t think the news was true rather a sympathy piece

It was official statement from the Saudi state.... until now no one at pdf said it was false statement.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

So now suddenly we go back to the point zero of the discussion... so what's your version on missile attack on Mecca and rest of the civilian infrastructure?
I as well don't expect justifications for Iranian wrong doings, by quoting another state of your choice without any grounds.

Huh? What are you talking about? I clearly said that Saudi claims about Iran and Iranian claims about Saudi Arabia have the same credibility as Indian claims about Pakistan. The two are sworn enemies and I don’t trust a single thing either one has to say about the other.

So if you have a credible source, not reliant on the Saudis, that can prove the Iranians targeted Mecca on purpose, let me know.

 

[StormBreaker]

It was official statement from the Saudi state.... until now no one at pdf said it was false statement.

I dont Deny the presence of statement rather the legitimacy.

Off course, it could be even true, many in disguise of Muslims want to sell air defence systems

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

It was official statement from the Saudi state.... until now no one at pdf said it was false statement.

I read the news and dismissed it as the usual Saudi vs Iran psy-ops. The Saudi’s would want to deliberately make the Iranians look bad in front of other Muslims to get more support.

What possible reason would Iran have to deliberately target Mecca? So Iranians not go on Haj? So they not go on Umrah? Do they not respect Islam’s holiest sites?

 

[StormBreaker]

I read the news and dismissed it as the usual Saudi vs Iran psy-ops. The Saudi’s would want to deliberately make the Iranians look bad in front of other Muslims to get more support.

What possible reason would Iran have to deliberately target Mecca? So Iranians not go on Haj? So they not go on Umrah? Do they not respect Islam’s holiest sites?

It’s not that Iran is clean, rather very mischievous, but i don’t think they would go as far as playing around with Harmains

 

[BATMAN]

Huh? What are you talking about? I clearly said that Saudi claims about Iran and Iranian claims about Saudi Arabia have the same credibility as Indian claims about Pakistan. The two are sworn enemies and I don’t trust a single thing either one has to say about the other.

So if you have a credible source, not reliant on the Saudis, that can prove the Iranians targeted Mecca on purpose, let me know.

Whom else do you expect to report and intercept Iranian missiles trying to hit Mecca and rest of the Saudi infrastructure?

There are plenty of you tube videos on web, where US state is showing parts of Iranian missiles to the world.

BTW, since you have blamed KSA as an enemy of Iran, can you list crimes of KSA against Iran to support your blame?
Otherwise as i earlier argued you can't blame a state of your choice, in order to tone down blatant terrorism of a state of your likeness.

 

[El Sidd]

Even DG ISIS or MI might struggle to answer the question
but these bastards have given us a fight for over a decade without seemingly running out of men until we really hit them hard that the message was reached to the "would be recruits" that it was of no use to be asholes and was better to go underground and keep the thoughts to themselves.
yes Yadev is a classic case and Iranians had much to answer. this is why they never denied our version of the story.they have ongoing concerns and complaints of Jundullah using our land to launch attacks ont hem and then returning back to safety in Pakistan. but this is out of topic
I invited you all to share your views on my opening post and after giving your analysis suggest practical solutions on how well we can be a unified community to face the outside world.

The topic got hijacked by minority blackmail by equating Shia faith with that of State of Iran

What is the Gov of Pakistan's strategy to counter this? Which part of NAPTA will this trigger? How does Pakistan intends to stop Iranian army using flags of proxy of Pakistanis?

I don't know what DG ISIS is? He has a flag of a country and proxy in Pakistan too?

The numbers have been touted to be more than 20k just in Karachi as per Ambassadors own candid threat 10 years ago.

 

[BATMAN]

It’s not that Iran is clean, rather very mischievous, but i don’t think they would go as far as playing around with Harmains

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/New...as-deployed-all-around-Mecca-during-Hajj.html

https://vid.alarabiya.net/2018/08/2...p4?versionId=wonCOM7R71faisZjMaWZ.6hghOXRcRWF

 

[BATMAN]

I read the news and dismissed it as the usual Saudi vs Iran psy-ops. The Saudi’s would want to deliberately make the Iranians look bad in front of other Muslims to get more support.

What possible reason would Iran have to deliberately target Mecca? So Iranians not go on Haj? So they not go on Umrah? Do they not respect Islam’s holiest sites?

in 2020 you decide to dismiss Iranian missile attack on Mecca.
to tell you the truth, defending Iranian crimes is a difficult choice you made, like rest of the pdf masses.
Iranians have history of sabotage in Haj and their crimes in region can't be washed down by equating them with Saudis, without grounds.

Why don't you just do a thread about how Iranian Mubarek Patel recruited Sunnis too?

Maybe that will even things out.

If still people need more transparency

Pull out seculars like Pirouz Hoodboy and Media liberals on Iranian payroll.

But none of it will ever be discussed because one super secret meeting of smart cars beat diesel gulping SuVs

I leave you alone here.

 

[El Sidd]

I leave you alone here.

I have stopped caring. I am in it for academics

 

[BATMAN]

I have stopped caring. I am in it for academics

The moment i start explaining so called Sunnism being practiced at Pakpatan, that might derail the topic in hand by far.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

No - that is an assumption and a flawed one. Here's the question for you to ponder - Iran claims no part of Pakistan, so what would these individuals fight the Pakistani State for? The Shia are a minority in Pakistan, and the Shia know this - as someone from a Shia family, I can tell you that NOWHERE has there ever been any kind of discussion about 'taking over Pakistan and implementing Shia Shariah'. Why should the Shia even want that? The law in Pakistan allows the Shia to deal with their affairs per Islamic Shia jurisprudence. The Shia have numerous top level positions in government, the military, bureaucracy, business etc. What do Pakistani Shia have to gain from fighting the Pakistani State? The Pakistani Shia have everything they need to build their lives and prosper in Pakistan. Even with all the noise the Liberandus make about 'Shia genocide', I (being from a Shia family even if I don't identify as a Shia) and many other fellow Shia are the first ones to abuse these Liberandus over their BS. It's stuff like what we've seen recently on this forum, where all Shia are attacked, vile claims are made about their beliefs and practices and their patriotism questioned that really pisses us off.

My dad was a katar Shia, hails from a (still) katar Shia region in Punjab. My mom (Sunni) had to make him back off from some of the more gruesome practices during Muharram (she emotionally blackmailed him using us kids). I have never met a more patriotic Pakistani in my life than my dad. He is the one man responsible for my own patriotic drive and love for Pakistan. Yes, he respected the Ayatollah and respected Iran, but he was a Pakistani first. Don't mistake respect with loyalty. There is no question which side a majority of Shia will fight if it comes to a war between Iran and Pakistan, but questioning Shia beliefs, questioning Shia loyalty is going to do nothing but create friction in Pakistan. How do you think the Indian Muslims feel currently, having their patriotism and loyalty questioned day in and day out?

One thing you have to remember - these conflicts that they are being recruited for (and they are a very small minority of the estimated 20% Shia in Pakistan) are sectarian conflicts that are ongoing. So long as we don't have a sectarian war/conflict in Pakistan, Pakistani Shia will not take up arms domestically, on behalf of ANYONE. If they do take up arms, it will be against the groups targeting them in a sectarian conflict. Pakistani Shia have stayed loyal despite the Shia Hazara being targeted repeatedly, despite the days in which the Laskhar-e-Jhangvi/ SSP were on the rise. Attacks were limited to the members and leaders of the respective groups. Never once did the Shia take up arms against the Pakistani State.

So look at the history of Shia armed movements in Pakistan, who those movements targeted, and rest assured that Pakistani Shia are as loyal and patriotic to Pakistan as anyone else.

One final note to the members that keep asking why the Shia still respect Iran - most Shia simply do not see Iran as a threat to Pakistan. They just don't because most Pakistanis (Shia & Sunni) simply don't see anything in the media about Iran carrying out terrorism in Pakistan (no one outside of people like us on the forum have really dug deep into Yadav and what his links were and how Iran may have facilitated him). Look at the global opinion polls about Iran - anywhere from 50% to 70% of Pakistanis view Iran favorably. Those are not all Shia. So trying to use a favorable view of Iran as a yardstick for patriotism or loyalty is absurd since that would mean that half the population of the country is unpatriotic and disloyal.

Great post all around.

I think the issue is not Shia Pakistani's patriotism or loyalty, but Iran taking advantage of a network and agents within/without Pakistan to recruit for Liwa Zanabiyoun under the nose of the Pakistani state.

I don't think there is any implicit bias for Shias in members on this forum. The sectarian bigots are pretty obvious and can't hide themselves.

Furthermore it is quite irksome to see posters of Qasem Sulemani in Pakistan being posted by some groups and some rallies in support of him, when he was an avowed enemy of Pakistan, ally of India, and supporter of terror proxies/Indian spies against Pakistan.

No Pakistani should idolize this vile man.

 

[El Sidd]

under the nose of the Pakistani state.

No ones stupid enough to believe that !!

Grow up Amish !!

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

It’s not that Iran is clean, rather very mischievous, but i don’t think they would go as far as playing around with Harmains

I agree - the Iranians are as dirty as anyone else in the region when it comes to proxy wars, attacks etc. but the Iranians are not going to attack Mecca when there are far more important targets like refineries available.

Whom else do you expect to report and intercept Iranian missiles trying to hit Mecca and rest of the Saudi infrastructure?

There are plenty of you tube videos on web, where US state is showing parts of Iranian missiles to the world.

BTW, since you have blamed KSA as an enemy of Iran, can you list crimes of KSA against Iran to support your blame?
Otherwise as i earlier argued you can't blame a state of your choice, in order to tone down blatant terrorism of a state of your likeness.

Sure, so do we have images of the intercepts over Mecca?

And I said BOTH countries lie about each other. Please stop distorting my words to fit your biases.

The topic got hijacked by minority blackmail by equating Shia faith with that of State of Iran

What is the Gov of Pakistan's strategy to counter this? Which part of NAPTA will this trigger? How does Pakistan intends to stop Iranian army using flags of proxy of Pakistanis?

I don't know what DG ISIS is? He has a flag of a country and proxy in Pakistan too?

The numbers have been touted to be more than 20k just in Karachi as per Ambassadors own candid threat 10 years ago.

You call defending Pakistani Shia against accusations calling them disloyal and unpatriotic ‘minority blackmail’.

Wonderful.

Thanks for showing us your true aukat.

 

[El Sidd]

You call defending Pakistani Shia against accusations calling them disloyal and unpatriotic ‘minority blackmail’.

Wonderful.

Thanks for showing us your true aukat.

No where in the topic was the Shia faith discussed nor loyalties were discussed.

Just because you can use sentences with the word aukat, does not mean you should use them. Humans learn easy. Just saying