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Every Monday at 5 pm a study circle is organized at Forman Christian College. A dozen or so young students deeply disenchanted with the Pakistani society convene in a class situated in a quiet corner in the Science building. Here, a physicist by the name of Pervez Hoodbhoy, who has set the agenda for the meeting a week prior, leads the conversation, often by placing pertinent questions before the participants. Pervez is a well-spoken man and has strong command of both Urdu and English. Sometimes it is almost unnerving how well he transitions between the two languages when translating himself. Even in anger he is soft-spoken, although a flush of red subsumes him when he intends to be particularly expressive.

The discussion on that particular day is on ‘Do we need God?’. The students have not read up on the subject nor done any research. It appears the entire room will be spitballing on a subject that is entirely philosophical and deeply profound. Most of the students are highly westernized, as is obvious from their dress or from the pride they feel in not understanding ordinary Urdu words. This is typical of the crowd he attracts. The topic, cryptically worded, is in essence whether morality is possible without religion. The case is built for the affirmative by speculating that since the areligious West is functionally moral and has made strides in acquiring rights for minorities, including the LGBT and women, and its sexual liberation has not led to major social catastrophe, it is the model to emulate.

I appear to be the only one objecting, offering the meek disruption to their utilitarian dream by stating that the jury is still out on how well the western experiment has played out. Come to think of it now and there was so much more to be said but as a young, underconfident student I was not too inclined to go against the tide. Perhaps the most bold stance of all belonged to Hoodbhoy who, as the fountainhead of wisdom, reserves for himself the final word. For him, religion has been the root cause of much that is evil and bad in our society, and should swiftly be weeded out. I’m struck by how radical that notion is, not to speak of how ignorant. As we depart, I’m slightly perturbed but nonetheless invigorated by the discussion.

Hoodbhoy is the sort of person not to confine himself to one domain. At Forman Christian College, he teaches not just Physics but a course in Sociology titled “Science and the World Around Us.” There, again, he embarks on a similar path. The course is far more structured than the study circle and substantially more academic in substance, yet it is open-ended enough for Professor Hoodbhoy to sneak in ideas about ‘new atheism’ quite regularly and espouse his beliefs i.e. that religion and religious education are at the heart of Pakistan’s scientific backwardness. All causal factors are invariably reduced to the one: religion.

A physicist renowned for his political views, Hoodbhuoy is a mainstay at most of the literary festivals in Pakistan and has a dedicated following among the nation’s rich, liberal elite. His notoriety is not owed to any exceptional achievement in his own field of expertise (he has published scientific papers sporadically in the past twenty years) but instead is the result of his progressively bold commentary on Pakistan. Although he constantly mentions Eqbal Ahmed and Edward Said as inspirational figures, he remains a far cry from the brilliance and empathy that embody those luminaries. His hawkish stance, along with those of his like-minded colleagues once led the country’s military further and further into the depths of the US ‘War on Terror’, embroiled in an unwinnable battle against its own citizens. While many cried caution, Hoodbhoy added his voice to the American echo of ‘do more’, expressing strong support for the drone program as well as the military operations.

The military expeditions first thrust Pakistan into a state of utter chaos, and for a long decade afterwards the country was bruised and battered by its unfortunate clash with terror and indiscriminate violence. When military success was finally at hand, the conversation quickly shifted to the military’s excesses as a disgruntled tribal youth began to voice its disaffection. These bold cheerleaders of the War on Terror suddenly changed tack; the military became the aggressor and the tribals the victim. Having seen the massive fallout from the operation on Lal Masjid one would have hoped the likes of him would have learnt their lesson. Instead, in February 2020, he urged again the authorities to throw caution to the wind, rein-in the Lal Masjid cleric Abdul Aziz and make a repeat of the events that led to the eruption of large-scale violence across the Pakistani mainland in 2007.

Rather than claim ownership for their share of the blame in the rapidly destabilizing security situation in Pakistan, Hoodbhoy prefers to pat himself and his like-minded fellows on the back for the military’s hard-won battles against the TTP after the 2014 APS attack. He heaps praises on the Indian liberals as well, whom he credits for standing witness to Modi’s crimes and exposing him internationally. Contrary to anything Eqbal Ahmed and Edward Said ever endorsed, Indian liberals’ credentials are marred by their jingoistic stance on Kashmir, and few voices have surfaced in protest against the revocation of Articles 370 and 35a. As Ayesha Jalal notes, Indian secularism (of which the Indian liberal is a die-hard defender) is a useful tool to keep the Muslim minority in check. Very recently, Shashi Tharoor was criticized for dictating to Muslims protesting the bigoted CAA and NRC what the correct amount of religiosity was in protests.

Moreover, most liberals worth their salt acknowledged early on that a military War on Terror strategy had made matters worse, including Arundhati Roy, while Hoodbhoy ecstatically urged on the American assault on ex-FATA. Even as he condemns the state for continuing to tolerate Lal Masjid’s Maulana Abdul Aziz and his ‘Burqa Brigade Militants’ instead of quashing them in an ‘unforgivably brutal’ manner as had been done by Middle Eastern regimes faced with similar insurrections, he describes Najam Sethi as one of the ‘finest people’ around. He describes Sethi thus not despite but because he once scaled Balochistan’s hills alongside Baloch insurgents and fought Pakistan’s army.

He persistently challenges popularly held views by pakistani historians as deliberate misconstructions by conflating them with erroneous views taught in Pakistani school history books. His aspersions on Jinnah, the nation’s founding-father, who is depicted as both confused, and insincere to the Pakistan cause are meant to weaken the foundations of the state. He is not above using hyperbole to drive home his arguments either. From suggesting that Pakistan do away with the ‘Two-Nation Theory’, one of the nation’s fundamental building blocks, to decrying Jinnah for not having written a research paper, his assertions oscillate from the absurd to the hysterical. Hoodbhoy fails to understand that Jinnah was a lawyer during the first half of the previous century, not to speak of the plethora of letters, speeches, and political manoeuvres he left in his wake. For such a distinct lack of understanding of anthropology and for bearing upon Jinnah this unreasonable demand of thematically presenting his vision for Pakistan, it is indeed astounding that Hoodbhoy is such a central figure in Pakistan’s mainstream discourse.

Moreover, to use confused as an adjective for Jinnah would be a lazy person’s understanding of the man. Certainly, with enough effort some semblance of his inner thoughts can be acquired, as done brilliantly by Akbar S. Ahmed, Saleena Karim, and others. If history is not the physicist’s forte, maybe it is advisable that he refrain from opining on it. Even Indian writers critical of Jinnah such as Narendra Singh Sarila and Anita Inder Singh mention how Jinnah outwitted the Congress with his firmness and foresight.

More recently, his diatribe against the TV series Drilis: Ertugrul offers a glimpse into the man’s mania. To criticize historical fiction for being inaccurate is utterly ludicrous. On top of that, he seems to insist that to project a peaceful image of Islam, all account of war and enmity (for however noble and virtuous a cause) must be scrubbed from popular consciousness. If that is the prerequisite for peace, then man has never known an instance of it. Even the west reminisces ever so often about the second World War, in order to mobilize opinion in favour of the liberal international system. Even more silly is his assertion that ISIS-type organizations would find inspiration in the television show.

His nativist view of the history of a multi-ethnic nation based on religion also dents his liberal deed. For a people united by common values and ideas, nationhood has remarkably little to do with one’s geographical boundaries. For many of Pakistan’s muslims, Saladin is the ultimate hero, a Kurd from 12th century Arabia, so is Tariq bin Ziyad, a Berber.

In his latest article, by juxtaposing Indian vilification of invaders against Pakistan’s glorification of them, Hoodbhoy makes one critical mistake; he doesn’t account for the hate and destestation that India’s reading of history inspires in its citizens. For Pakistanis, no such depraved ideas are inspired about their fellow countrymen (or outsiders) by their shared reading of history. These false parallels are constantly invoked by Hoodbhoy for whom Islam is the bane of Pakistan’s existence.

Hoodhbhoy has become a pop-sociologist. A celebrity and then an academician. How much his message resounds in the future with larger sections of Pakistan’s youth remains to be seen.

The writer is a student of history and can be reached at @aghaahmedullah on Twitter.

References:
https://pulsemedia.org/2009/12/24/military-metaphysics-and-the-native-informer/
https://www.dawn.com/news/1535949/lal-masjid-appeasement-again
https://www.dawn.com/news/1561638/dangerous-delusions-ertugrul-mania
https://www.dawn.com/news/1511713/god-bless-liberal-fascists
https://web.archive.org/web/20110327130550/http://www.counterpunch.org/hoodbhoy12142009.html

https://pakistanbibliophiles.home.blog/2020/07/10/inside-pervez-hoodbhoys-classroom/
 
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these people talk about morality yet they are always ready to sell their souls and mothers for a piece of property abroad. i remember few years back the newly appointed US ambassador in pakistan in particularly met this hoodbhoy and asma jahangir inher initial days of holding the office. well asma must be seen the reality by now lets wait for his turn.
 
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He'll find out soon enough. I love how these idiots think the west has found morality outside of religion. All moral boundaries in western countries are based on their Christian heritage and culture. I think these atheists should all be sent to CPP re-education camps to get a real feel for morality without religion.
 
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He is a "liberal extremist."

Pakistani education institutes should create guidelines for teaching in my view - it is important to be mindful of religious themes in this profession. This is for the best of all.
 
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I sincerely hope he doesn't end up like Salman Taseer by expressing his ideas to the wrong person because then he will join the ranks of greatest martyrs of libtards but then again the pace at which he is going these days and the spotlight he is in, anything is possible.
 
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People like Hoodbhoy are trying to create some kind of weird secular Pakistani nationalism, but it's just impossible. You can't divorce Pakistan from Islam. Especially not after the social changes that started in the 1980s. These people are still living in some kind of 1960s Pakistan and romanticizing about Noor Jehan's folk songs. This generation just needs to die off. I've been to Pakistan recently and met these leftist types. I told one plainly, why don't you just support reunification with India? Why bother trying to reconcile Pakistan with some secular leftist Marxist vision? The very DNA of Pakistan is totally opposed to Marxism and Leftism.
 
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Don't agree with his line of thinking but do not want him silenced either. Islam flourished when Muslims societies were open to philosophical debates. And it withered when we locked our iman inside mosques where no one is allowed to talk about it.

As as Muslim, Alhamdulillah, I have enough faith in my beliefs and these debates do not shake my core. It is these kind of debates that made my beliefs stronger.
 
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People like Hoodbhoy are trying to create some kind of weird secular Pakistani nationalism, but it's just impossible. You can't divorce Pakistan from Islam. Especially not after the social changes that started in the 1980s. These people are still living in some kind of 1960s Pakistan and romanticizing about Noor Jehan's folk songs. This generation just needs to die off. I've been to Pakistan recently and met these leftist types. I told one plainly, why don't you just support reunification with India? Why bother trying to reconcile Pakistan with some secular leftist Marxist vision? The very DNA of Pakistan is totally opposed to Marxism and Leftism.

While consensus may not be reached, listening to the viewpoints of these professors carefully, it reveal that they are fed up with the state’s ineffectiveness at economic development, “backwardness”, more than anything else. It was the Protestant Christian work ethic and private property rights that lead the west to economic development. While historically this has not been the same among Catholics, who would rather wait for God’s grace to bestow His blessings upon the people.

Pakistan was/is/and can only continue to exist as an Islamic nation. The Islamic education in the curriculum is to re-enforce national unity, social harmony and a fundamental common culture and basis for the legal system. The only aspect I would argue is that a Muslim Work ethic needs to be build up that, which see reaffirms honest hard work as pious in the eyes of the public. Re-enforcing Islamic values is suppose to end any justification the corrupt people have for stealing the nation’s wealth for personal gain.
 
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Every Monday at 5 pm a study circle is organized at Forman Christian College. A dozen or so young students deeply disenchanted with the Pakistani society convene in a class situated in a quiet corner in the Science building. Here, a physicist by the name of Pervez Hoodbhoy, who has set the agenda for the meeting a week prior, leads the conversation, often by placing pertinent questions before the participants. Pervez is a well-spoken man and has strong command of both Urdu and English. Sometimes it is almost unnerving how well he transitions between the two languages when translating himself. Even in anger he is soft-spoken, although a flush of red subsumes him when he intends to be particularly expressive.

The discussion on that particular day is on ‘Do we need God?’. The students have not read up on the subject nor done any research. It appears the entire room will be spitballing on a subject that is entirely philosophical and deeply profound. Most of the students are highly westernized, as is obvious from their dress or from the pride they feel in not understanding ordinary Urdu words. This is typical of the crowd he attracts. The topic, cryptically worded, is in essence whether morality is possible without religion. The case is built for the affirmative by speculating that since the areligious West is functionally moral and has made strides in acquiring rights for minorities, including the LGBT and women, and its sexual liberation has not led to major social catastrophe, it is the model to emulate.

I appear to be the only one objecting, offering the meek disruption to their utilitarian dream by stating that the jury is still out on how well the western experiment has played out. Come to think of it now and there was so much more to be said but as a young, underconfident student I was not too inclined to go against the tide. Perhaps the most bold stance of all belonged to Hoodbhoy who, as the fountainhead of wisdom, reserves for himself the final word. For him, religion has been the root cause of much that is evil and bad in our society, and should swiftly be weeded out. I’m struck by how radical that notion is, not to speak of how ignorant. As we depart, I’m slightly perturbed but nonetheless invigorated by the discussion.

Hoodbhoy is the sort of person not to confine himself to one domain. At Forman Christian College, he teaches not just Physics but a course in Sociology titled “Science and the World Around Us.” There, again, he embarks on a similar path. The course is far more structured than the study circle and substantially more academic in substance, yet it is open-ended enough for Professor Hoodbhoy to sneak in ideas about ‘new atheism’ quite regularly and espouse his beliefs i.e. that religion and religious education are at the heart of Pakistan’s scientific backwardness. All causal factors are invariably reduced to the one: religion.

A physicist renowned for his political views, Hoodbhuoy is a mainstay at most of the literary festivals in Pakistan and has a dedicated following among the nation’s rich, liberal elite. His notoriety is not owed to any exceptional achievement in his own field of expertise (he has published scientific papers sporadically in the past twenty years) but instead is the result of his progressively bold commentary on Pakistan. Although he constantly mentions Eqbal Ahmed and Edward Said as inspirational figures, he remains a far cry from the brilliance and empathy that embody those luminaries. His hawkish stance, along with those of his like-minded colleagues once led the country’s military further and further into the depths of the US ‘War on Terror’, embroiled in an unwinnable battle against its own citizens. While many cried caution, Hoodbhoy added his voice to the American echo of ‘do more’, expressing strong support for the drone program as well as the military operations.

The military expeditions first thrust Pakistan into a state of utter chaos, and for a long decade afterwards the country was bruised and battered by its unfortunate clash with terror and indiscriminate violence. When military success was finally at hand, the conversation quickly shifted to the military’s excesses as a disgruntled tribal youth began to voice its disaffection. These bold cheerleaders of the War on Terror suddenly changed tack; the military became the aggressor and the tribals the victim. Having seen the massive fallout from the operation on Lal Masjid one would have hoped the likes of him would have learnt their lesson. Instead, in February 2020, he urged again the authorities to throw caution to the wind, rein-in the Lal Masjid cleric Abdul Aziz and make a repeat of the events that led to the eruption of large-scale violence across the Pakistani mainland in 2007.

Rather than claim ownership for their share of the blame in the rapidly destabilizing security situation in Pakistan, Hoodbhoy prefers to pat himself and his like-minded fellows on the back for the military’s hard-won battles against the TTP after the 2014 APS attack. He heaps praises on the Indian liberals as well, whom he credits for standing witness to Modi’s crimes and exposing him internationally. Contrary to anything Eqbal Ahmed and Edward Said ever endorsed, Indian liberals’ credentials are marred by their jingoistic stance on Kashmir, and few voices have surfaced in protest against the revocation of Articles 370 and 35a. As Ayesha Jalal notes, Indian secularism (of which the Indian liberal is a die-hard defender) is a useful tool to keep the Muslim minority in check. Very recently, Shashi Tharoor was criticized for dictating to Muslims protesting the bigoted CAA and NRC what the correct amount of religiosity was in protests.

Moreover, most liberals worth their salt acknowledged early on that a military War on Terror strategy had made matters worse, including Arundhati Roy, while Hoodbhoy ecstatically urged on the American assault on ex-FATA. Even as he condemns the state for continuing to tolerate Lal Masjid’s Maulana Abdul Aziz and his ‘Burqa Brigade Militants’ instead of quashing them in an ‘unforgivably brutal’ manner as had been done by Middle Eastern regimes faced with similar insurrections, he describes Najam Sethi as one of the ‘finest people’ around. He describes Sethi thus not despite but because he once scaled Balochistan’s hills alongside Baloch insurgents and fought Pakistan’s army.

He persistently challenges popularly held views by pakistani historians as deliberate misconstructions by conflating them with erroneous views taught in Pakistani school history books. His aspersions on Jinnah, the nation’s founding-father, who is depicted as both confused, and insincere to the Pakistan cause are meant to weaken the foundations of the state. He is not above using hyperbole to drive home his arguments either. From suggesting that Pakistan do away with the ‘Two-Nation Theory’, one of the nation’s fundamental building blocks, to decrying Jinnah for not having written a research paper, his assertions oscillate from the absurd to the hysterical. Hoodbhoy fails to understand that Jinnah was a lawyer during the first half of the previous century, not to speak of the plethora of letters, speeches, and political manoeuvres he left in his wake. For such a distinct lack of understanding of anthropology and for bearing upon Jinnah this unreasonable demand of thematically presenting his vision for Pakistan, it is indeed astounding that Hoodbhoy is such a central figure in Pakistan’s mainstream discourse.

Moreover, to use confused as an adjective for Jinnah would be a lazy person’s understanding of the man. Certainly, with enough effort some semblance of his inner thoughts can be acquired, as done brilliantly by Akbar S. Ahmed, Saleena Karim, and others. If history is not the physicist’s forte, maybe it is advisable that he refrain from opining on it. Even Indian writers critical of Jinnah such as Narendra Singh Sarila and Anita Inder Singh mention how Jinnah outwitted the Congress with his firmness and foresight.

More recently, his diatribe against the TV series Drilis: Ertugrul offers a glimpse into the man’s mania. To criticize historical fiction for being inaccurate is utterly ludicrous. On top of that, he seems to insist that to project a peaceful image of Islam, all account of war and enmity (for however noble and virtuous a cause) must be scrubbed from popular consciousness. If that is the prerequisite for peace, then man has never known an instance of it. Even the west reminisces ever so often about the second World War, in order to mobilize opinion in favour of the liberal international system. Even more silly is his assertion that ISIS-type organizations would find inspiration in the television show.

His nativist view of the history of a multi-ethnic nation based on religion also dents his liberal deed. For a people united by common values and ideas, nationhood has remarkably little to do with one’s geographical boundaries. For many of Pakistan’s muslims, Saladin is the ultimate hero, a Kurd from 12th century Arabia, so is Tariq bin Ziyad, a Berber.

In his latest article, by juxtaposing Indian vilification of invaders against Pakistan’s glorification of them, Hoodbhoy makes one critical mistake; he doesn’t account for the hate and destestation that India’s reading of history inspires in its citizens. For Pakistanis, no such depraved ideas are inspired about their fellow countrymen (or outsiders) by their shared reading of history. These false parallels are constantly invoked by Hoodbhoy for whom Islam is the bane of Pakistan’s existence.

Hoodhbhoy has become a pop-sociologist. A celebrity and then an academician. How much his message resounds in the future with larger sections of Pakistan’s youth remains to be seen.

The writer is a student of history and can be reached at @aghaahmedullah on Twitter.

References:
https://pulsemedia.org/2009/12/24/military-metaphysics-and-the-native-informer/
https://www.dawn.com/news/1535949/lal-masjid-appeasement-again
https://www.dawn.com/news/1561638/dangerous-delusions-ertugrul-mania
https://www.dawn.com/news/1511713/god-bless-liberal-fascists
https://web.archive.org/web/20110327130550/http://www.counterpunch.org/hoodbhoy12142009.html

https://pakistanbibliophiles.home.blog/2020/07/10/inside-pervez-hoodbhoys-classroom/

Romanticizing a utopia, demonizing your own country and selling pipe dreams and wild theories to young ones is easy if there would not have been an army in Pakistan, if there would not have been so much spent on defense, if Pakistan would not have opted for nuclear deterrence Pakistan would have been a utopia, everything would have been hunky-dory. Hoodbhai would have been singing "hum tum hon gaye badal ho ga, raks mein sra jungle ho ga", they are stupid one bit analysts who fail to factor in one important and most pertinent variable, what if we would have had an army like Bangladesh, we had no nuclear spent, would there have been any Pakistan? They know marxism more than they would ever know Islam.

It is the later stages of life the practical ones when reality hits the people whom they influence, and they understand why Armed forces are a necessary evil, why every country needs an army and why they keep spending on it.

Met the idiot during his QAU days when I had submitted my proposal for PhD in Quantum Physics, he was on that particular committee which interviewed me. Frankly his questions were shallow and lacked in-depth knowledge of physics, but he seemed to have a lot of sway with rest of the committee. We had a spat and I told him his understanding of quantum state is sh*t, the implications of what I am proposing. Nonetheless, my paper was rejected on the basis that I did not take up physics at masters level. I do not know how many development in the educational/industrial sector he and people like him have culled because of their "jack of all" mentality or because they are petty people.
 
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Don't agree with his line of thinking but do not want him silenced either. Islam flourished when Muslims societies were open to philosophical debates. And it withered when we locked our iman inside mosques where no one is allowed to talk about it.

As as Muslim, Alhamdulillah, I have enough faith in my beliefs and these debates do not shake my core. It is these kind of debates that made my beliefs stronger.

The thing is we need complete freedom of speech and religious freedom in Pakistan. But let alone these basic freedoms, we don't even have freedom of the press and the media in Pakistan. Anything "controversial" is carefully censored or banned. Pakistan is going toward authoritarianism and that is not good. I'm a devout, conservative Muslim, but at the same time I'm politically liberal. Everyone should be free to express his or her view without having to walk on eggshells or fear of being arrested. What Pakistan needs most crucially is an American type constitution with an American type Bill of Rights. Fundamental human and civil liberties have to be guaranteed. Until that happens, I'm afraid Pakistan will never flourish.
 
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While consensus may not be reached, listening to the viewpoints of these professors carefully, it reveal that they are fed up with the state’s ineffectiveness at economic development, “backwardness”, more than anything else. It was the Protestant Christian work ethic and private property rights that lead the west to economic development. While historically this has not been the same among Catholics, who would rather wait for God’s grace to bestow His blessings upon the people.

Pakistan was/is/and can only continue to exist as an Islamic nation. The Islamic education in the curriculum is to re-enforce national unity, social harmony and a fundamental common culture and basis for the legal system. The only aspect I would argue is that a Muslim Work ethic needs to be build up that, which see reaffirms honest hard work as pious in the eyes of the public. Re-enforcing Islamic values is suppose to end any justification the corrupt people have for stealing the nation’s wealth for personal gain.

It is more important for Pakistan to be socially Islamic than politically Islamic. And for Pakistan to be socially Islamic depends entirely on the efforts of grass roots society. The moment the State steps into the sphere of Religion and starts dictating its interpretation of Religion, that is the moment Islam is damaged and weakened the most. Therefore, religious freedom and political freedom are essential for Islam to thrive.

I don't believe the State should teach any kind of religious or political narrative. I subscribe to libertarian political philosophy where the function of the State is extremely limited, limited to essential functions like defense, law and order, and other basic things. There should be maximum privatization and maximum individual autonomy afforded to the citizenry. Big government means big corruption. I'm against the idea of Pakistan becoming a social welfare state.
 
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The thing is we need complete freedom of speech and religious freedom in Pakistan. But let alone these basic freedoms, we don't even have freedom of the press and the media in Pakistan. Anything "controversial" is carefully censored or banned. Pakistan is going toward authoritarianism and that is not good. I'm a devout, conservative Muslim, but at the same time I'm politically liberal. Everyone should be free to express his or her view without having to walk on eggshells or fear of being arrested. What Pakistan needs most crucially is an American type constitution with an American type Bill of Rights. Fundamental human and civil liberties have to be guaranteed. Until that happens, I'm afraid Pakistan will never flourish.

Absolutely, freedom of speech and protection of this freedom is required. What we have right now is multiple players who have no interest in serving the people of Pakistan or Islam (should be the same thing ideally) pretending to be saviors of Pakistan and Islam. Only complete freedom of expression will kill these parasites.
 
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Every Monday at 5 pm a study circle is organized at Forman Christian College. A dozen or so young students deeply disenchanted with the Pakistani society convene in a class situated in a quiet corner in the Science building. Here, a physicist by the name of Pervez Hoodbhoy, who has set the agenda for the meeting a week prior, leads the conversation, often by placing pertinent questions before the participants. Pervez is a well-spoken man and has strong command of both Urdu and English. Sometimes it is almost unnerving how well he transitions between the two languages when translating himself. Even in anger he is soft-spoken, although a flush of red subsumes him when he intends to be particularly expressive.

The discussion on that particular day is on ‘Do we need God?’. The students have not read up on the subject nor done any research. It appears the entire room will be spitballing on a subject that is entirely philosophical and deeply profound. Most of the students are highly westernized, as is obvious from their dress or from the pride they feel in not understanding ordinary Urdu words. This is typical of the crowd he attracts. The topic, cryptically worded, is in essence whether morality is possible without religion. The case is built for the affirmative by speculating that since the areligious West is functionally moral and has made strides in acquiring rights for minorities, including the LGBT and women, and its sexual liberation has not led to major social catastrophe, it is the model to emulate.

I appear to be the only one objecting, offering the meek disruption to their utilitarian dream by stating that the jury is still out on how well the western experiment has played out. Come to think of it now and there was so much more to be said but as a young, underconfident student I was not too inclined to go against the tide. Perhaps the most bold stance of all belonged to Hoodbhoy who, as the fountainhead of wisdom, reserves for himself the final word. For him, religion has been the root cause of much that is evil and bad in our society, and should swiftly be weeded out. I’m struck by how radical that notion is, not to speak of how ignorant. As we depart, I’m slightly perturbed but nonetheless invigorated by the discussion.

Hoodbhoy is the sort of person not to confine himself to one domain. At Forman Christian College, he teaches not just Physics but a course in Sociology titled “Science and the World Around Us.” There, again, he embarks on a similar path. The course is far more structured than the study circle and substantially more academic in substance, yet it is open-ended enough for Professor Hoodbhoy to sneak in ideas about ‘new atheism’ quite regularly and espouse his beliefs i.e. that religion and religious education are at the heart of Pakistan’s scientific backwardness. All causal factors are invariably reduced to the one: religion.

A physicist renowned for his political views, Hoodbhuoy is a mainstay at most of the literary festivals in Pakistan and has a dedicated following among the nation’s rich, liberal elite. His notoriety is not owed to any exceptional achievement in his own field of expertise (he has published scientific papers sporadically in the past twenty years) but instead is the result of his progressively bold commentary on Pakistan. Although he constantly mentions Eqbal Ahmed and Edward Said as inspirational figures, he remains a far cry from the brilliance and empathy that embody those luminaries. His hawkish stance, along with those of his like-minded colleagues once led the country’s military further and further into the depths of the US ‘War on Terror’, embroiled in an unwinnable battle against its own citizens. While many cried caution, Hoodbhoy added his voice to the American echo of ‘do more’, expressing strong support for the drone program as well as the military operations.

The military expeditions first thrust Pakistan into a state of utter chaos, and for a long decade afterwards the country was bruised and battered by its unfortunate clash with terror and indiscriminate violence. When military success was finally at hand, the conversation quickly shifted to the military’s excesses as a disgruntled tribal youth began to voice its disaffection. These bold cheerleaders of the War on Terror suddenly changed tack; the military became the aggressor and the tribals the victim. Having seen the massive fallout from the operation on Lal Masjid one would have hoped the likes of him would have learnt their lesson. Instead, in February 2020, he urged again the authorities to throw caution to the wind, rein-in the Lal Masjid cleric Abdul Aziz and make a repeat of the events that led to the eruption of large-scale violence across the Pakistani mainland in 2007.

Rather than claim ownership for their share of the blame in the rapidly destabilizing security situation in Pakistan, Hoodbhoy prefers to pat himself and his like-minded fellows on the back for the military’s hard-won battles against the TTP after the 2014 APS attack. He heaps praises on the Indian liberals as well, whom he credits for standing witness to Modi’s crimes and exposing him internationally. Contrary to anything Eqbal Ahmed and Edward Said ever endorsed, Indian liberals’ credentials are marred by their jingoistic stance on Kashmir, and few voices have surfaced in protest against the revocation of Articles 370 and 35a. As Ayesha Jalal notes, Indian secularism (of which the Indian liberal is a die-hard defender) is a useful tool to keep the Muslim minority in check. Very recently, Shashi Tharoor was criticized for dictating to Muslims protesting the bigoted CAA and NRC what the correct amount of religiosity was in protests.

Moreover, most liberals worth their salt acknowledged early on that a military War on Terror strategy had made matters worse, including Arundhati Roy, while Hoodbhoy ecstatically urged on the American assault on ex-FATA. Even as he condemns the state for continuing to tolerate Lal Masjid’s Maulana Abdul Aziz and his ‘Burqa Brigade Militants’ instead of quashing them in an ‘unforgivably brutal’ manner as had been done by Middle Eastern regimes faced with similar insurrections, he describes Najam Sethi as one of the ‘finest people’ around. He describes Sethi thus not despite but because he once scaled Balochistan’s hills alongside Baloch insurgents and fought Pakistan’s army.

He persistently challenges popularly held views by pakistani historians as deliberate misconstructions by conflating them with erroneous views taught in Pakistani school history books. His aspersions on Jinnah, the nation’s founding-father, who is depicted as both confused, and insincere to the Pakistan cause are meant to weaken the foundations of the state. He is not above using hyperbole to drive home his arguments either. From suggesting that Pakistan do away with the ‘Two-Nation Theory’, one of the nation’s fundamental building blocks, to decrying Jinnah for not having written a research paper, his assertions oscillate from the absurd to the hysterical. Hoodbhoy fails to understand that Jinnah was a lawyer during the first half of the previous century, not to speak of the plethora of letters, speeches, and political manoeuvres he left in his wake. For such a distinct lack of understanding of anthropology and for bearing upon Jinnah this unreasonable demand of thematically presenting his vision for Pakistan, it is indeed astounding that Hoodbhoy is such a central figure in Pakistan’s mainstream discourse.

Moreover, to use confused as an adjective for Jinnah would be a lazy person’s understanding of the man. Certainly, with enough effort some semblance of his inner thoughts can be acquired, as done brilliantly by Akbar S. Ahmed, Saleena Karim, and others. If history is not the physicist’s forte, maybe it is advisable that he refrain from opining on it. Even Indian writers critical of Jinnah such as Narendra Singh Sarila and Anita Inder Singh mention how Jinnah outwitted the Congress with his firmness and foresight.

More recently, his diatribe against the TV series Drilis: Ertugrul offers a glimpse into the man’s mania. To criticize historical fiction for being inaccurate is utterly ludicrous. On top of that, he seems to insist that to project a peaceful image of Islam, all account of war and enmity (for however noble and virtuous a cause) must be scrubbed from popular consciousness. If that is the prerequisite for peace, then man has never known an instance of it. Even the west reminisces ever so often about the second World War, in order to mobilize opinion in favour of the liberal international system. Even more silly is his assertion that ISIS-type organizations would find inspiration in the television show.

His nativist view of the history of a multi-ethnic nation based on religion also dents his liberal deed. For a people united by common values and ideas, nationhood has remarkably little to do with one’s geographical boundaries. For many of Pakistan’s muslims, Saladin is the ultimate hero, a Kurd from 12th century Arabia, so is Tariq bin Ziyad, a Berber.

In his latest article, by juxtaposing Indian vilification of invaders against Pakistan’s glorification of them, Hoodbhoy makes one critical mistake; he doesn’t account for the hate and destestation that India’s reading of history inspires in its citizens. For Pakistanis, no such depraved ideas are inspired about their fellow countrymen (or outsiders) by their shared reading of history. These false parallels are constantly invoked by Hoodbhoy for whom Islam is the bane of Pakistan’s existence.

Hoodhbhoy has become a pop-sociologist. A celebrity and then an academician. How much his message resounds in the future with larger sections of Pakistan’s youth remains to be seen.

The writer is a student of history and can be reached at @aghaahmedullah on Twitter.

References:
https://pulsemedia.org/2009/12/24/military-metaphysics-and-the-native-informer/
https://www.dawn.com/news/1535949/lal-masjid-appeasement-again
https://www.dawn.com/news/1561638/dangerous-delusions-ertugrul-mania
https://www.dawn.com/news/1511713/god-bless-liberal-fascists
https://web.archive.org/web/20110327130550/http://www.counterpunch.org/hoodbhoy12142009.html

https://pakistanbibliophiles.home.blog/2020/07/10/inside-pervez-hoodbhoys-classroom/

I only have one question: WHY hasn't the deep state done anything about him and others like him?

He'll find out soon enough. I love how these idiots think the west has found morality outside of religion. All moral boundaries in western countries are based on their Christian heritage and culture. I think these atheists should all be sent to CPP re-education camps to get a real feel for morality without religion.

Absolutely.

Secular justifications for violence have caused extraordinary death and destruction, from the World Wars to the only use of the atomic bomb in history (that too on civilian populations) and the various "regime change" interventions in the Middle East. "Liberal" moral foundations are also getting tangled up now that homosexuality has become accepted/legal in the West --- incest, beastiality and more is perhaps next. After all, "love is love" and there is "consent," so it's alllll goooood.

Romanticizing a utopia, demonizing your own country and selling pipe dreams and wild theories to young ones is easy if there would not have been an army in Pakistan, if there would not have been so much spent on defense, if Pakistan would not have opted for nuclear deterrence Pakistan would have been a utopia, everything would have been hunky-dory. Hoodbhai would have been singing "hum tum hon gaye badal ho ga, raks mein sra jungle ho ga", they are stupid one bit analysts who fail to factor in one important and most pertinent variable, what if we would have had an army like Bangladesh, we had no nuclear spent, would there have been any Pakistan? They know marxism more than they would ever know Islam.

Met the idiot during his QAU days when I had submitted my proposal for PhD in Quantum Physics, he was on that particular committee which interviewed me. Frankly his questions were shallow and lacked in-depth knowledge of physics, but he seemed to have a lot of sway with rest of the committee. We had a spat and I told him his understanding of quantum state is sh*t, the implications of what I am proposing. Nonetheless, my paper was rejected on the basis that I did not take up physics at masters level. I do not know how many development in the educational/industrial sector he and people like him have culled because of their "jack of all" mentality or because they are petty people.

I am truly humbled and honored to be on this forum among some of the more intellectually gifted among us.

The reductionist thinking of liberal extremists / militant leftists like Hoodhboy betray all norms of intellectual tolerance and progress. Their views and approaches are just as tyrannical and authoritative as the conservative extreme that they claim to despise. They take highly complex socio-economic (and even political) issues and boil all faults down to organized religion. The real problem is that they live in a country where they can't openly announce and promote their atheism. Therefore, they're forced to take the more convoluted route to the same destination: brainwashing kids that the problem with the universe is nothing except Islam and other organized faiths. Pathetic pieces of shit.
 
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I only have one question: WHY hasn't the deep state done anything about him and others like him?

The Deep State is not exactly purely aligned with Islamic thinking, so Islamizing society is not its priority. Its priority is to defend and promote Pakistan's national security interests. Where Religion is the glue to bind together disparate ethnic groups and eliminate leftist and separatist tendencies among them, it will happily apply that glue. But its intention in doing so is not out of some religious zeal. Even someone like Hamid Gul was not an Islamic personality at the end of the day, but he definitely knew the value of Religion as the instrument to protect Pakistan's national security interests. In my perspective, there is a possibility that one day the Deep State may become a force that is antagonistic to orthodox Islam. It may already be creating some kind of state version of Islam that is highly reductionist that will serve the purpose of the country's national security interests and impose religious homogeneity. But I am highly fearful of the imposition of religious homogeneity because in all likelihood, a state version of Islam will not actually be the orthodox Islam that I favor.
 
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Pathetic.
Write an Article to analyze a certain professor in Pakistan and in its cover use every opportunity to defend the Extremists.

I am surprised that after so much death and destruction, Pakistanis have soft corner for people like Abdul Aziz like minded Fasadis.

This Hoodboy or (whatever the name is pronounced) is just a writer. Who cares what a random professor thinks or says.Is he leader of an organisation with thousands of followers across the country who accept him as undisputed patriarch? and who have repeatedly challenged the state writ easily and gotten away with it.(Unlike some others i will not name). But if he advocates for separatist anti state movements like PTM, BLA etc then definitely state should arrest him. What can people like Hoodboy, Nusrat Javed, Ayesha Siddiqa, Najam Sethi etc do at most in a conservative society like ours?. I bet 99% Pakistanis don't even know their names?.
Otherwise only a fool will compare a Professor who political and social views are misguided with group of people responsible for deaths of thousands of Pakistanis.

We Pakistanis should finally accept how modern world performs. Let people speak. Let people do research openly.Let research be negated by cross arguments and research. Let Publications nullify other publications. Let Academic work speak instead of personal attacks. For a reference. If we love Islamic Sociology and System, What you should be doing is doing research work for it, Answering questions for those who ask questions about it, living your life according to the principle set by it. Not nit picking everyone who disagrees with your point of view and grinding your mind disapproving, infect hating them. this Mindset specially in Religious circles are pushing the next Generation away from the Traditional pan-Islamic value and concepts.

These guys think they are protecting Islam by creating this "Toofan e Badtameezi" of Judgementalism and Stereotyping.
While Fraud, Corruption, Lawlessness, Oppression, indecency, Injustice sweeps our society. These values are even ACCEPTED now.

And what are these Defenders of Islam doing?.
1-Abuse Liberals
2-Kill Seculars/Who ever deemed fit for shooting
3-Support Jihadis (Fasadis to be more precise)

Wake up before its too late. Stop making a boogeyman out of nothing to protect the actual monster in the house that have claimed lives of thousands of our countrymen.
 
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