INS Vikrant, India's First Indigenous Aircraft Carrier, To Be Handed Over To Indian Navy In May

[HydraChess]

10 years is not a very short time, and China still has more time to operate supersonic aircraft on the aircraft carrier than India.

India has been operating Aircraft Carrier for much longer than China (since 1961) and even during time of conflicts to impose a naval blockade. So you have a hell lot to learn. India operated SVTOL fighter jets and Supersonic jets on carriers much earlier than you even pretended to buy a floating casino and call it a carrier. So get back to learning and see you in 20 year?

 

[HydraChess]

India has immense experience with carriers.............especially being at the receiving end of it for nearly a century

First in 1932 with Japanese carrier Kaga and Hōshō both bombing India's financial capital Shanghai with impunity specially airfields at Hangzhou and Suzhou
January 28 incident

Then later in 1937 Japanese carriers Ryūjō, Hōshō and Kaga once again bombed Guangzhou with supreme satisfaction

Afterwards American carriers toyed around with India's sovereignty thrice with the fabled gunboat diplomacy in the 50s
The Taiwan Straits Crises: 1954–55 and 1958

Third Taiwan Strait Crisis

Meanwhile China blockaded east Pakistan using its air craft carrier and with the help of Russia even stopped USS enterprise and its accompanying ships.
Indeed

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Are you BLIND?

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Are you an idiot?

Thats NO Bulbous bow!

This is a Bulbous bow!

Still now convinced?

Source : http://dspace.mit.edu/bitstream/handle/1721.1/91342/49898754-MIT.pdf;sequence=2

 

[huanghong]

Dude, the image here is CVN-71. It is known NOT to have a Bulbous bow. I highly doubt you even know what Bulbous bow looks like.

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Source : http://dspace.mit.edu/bitstream/handle/1721.1/91342/49898754-MIT.pdf;sequence=2

Source is an academic thesis submitted to MIT, so yeah they know what they are talking about.

ahh it was my fault but since CVN-76 with Bulbous bow then apparently the US Navy thinks Bulbous bow is better

India has been operating Aircraft Carrier for much longer than China (since 1961) and even during time of conflicts to impose a naval blockade. So you have a hell lot to learn. India operated SVTOL fighter jets and Supersonic jets on carriers much earlier than you even pretended to buy a floating casino and call it a carrier. So get back to learning and see you in 20 year?

Wait, I want to ask? China began operating the J-15 supersonic aircraft on the aircraft carrier in 2012. In what year did India start operating supersonic aircraft on its aircraft carrier?
I can't find it, can you tell me the model of the plane?

 

[Joe Shearer]

I never knew Aircraft carriers need to set speed records.... What will they outrun?

Will you ignore this wu-mao crap? Don't feed the trolls.

 

[Deino]

At least ... and I'm surprised this hasn't been posted!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1519601490968539138

 

[HydraChess]

ahh it was my fault but since CVN-76 with Bulbous bow then apparently the US Navy thinks Bulbous bow is better

No my dear! Just because some thing is used in some cases it does not mean it is to be used always for carrier ships!

First modern Bulbous bows have been incorporated in designs since 60s. There are MANY MANY MANY consideration to bulbous bows. Things like, if your ship is going to operate on same speed during most of it life? Size of your ship? Even schedule of your operation.

Bulbous Bows work by destructive interference of wave generated by ship's hull and the bulb. Remember, waves generated by bulb and hull MUST coincide or bulb will WORK AGAINST you if a constructive interfence happens. It will pitch your ship EVEN WORSE. Now if you have taken physics in high school, you know what decides the interfernce? its the wave length of the wave. Wavelength of waves in water (caused due to moving objects like ships) depend upon the velocity of ship/object. If you can guarentee that it will always move at a constant speed, then the bulb makes a LOT OF sense. if not, it will HURT the ship (fuel and pitching) and not help because it can cause constructive interfence of waves.

Sure as hell Indian navy knows how it will operate its aircraft carriers and at what speed (constant or changing) or schedule or condition of seas in which it will operate. So thats how these design decisions are made.

US operates its warships and especially carriers over VERY long distances so they have a massive cruise phase where they are moving at a constant speed. (say deployment from East coast to Guam). Here Bulbous Bow will SAVE fuel to navy because ship will be moving at a constant speed.

Indian ships operate in its own pond (Bay of begal, Arabian sea and possibly parts of Indian ocean) so not much of long cruises but short journey to possibly enforce a blockade. So bulbous bow design makes no sense because it is hard to get right and is harmful if Navy wants to use different speeds. So them most likely omitted it.

Source :

Wait, I want to ask? China began operating the J-15 supersonic aircraft on the aircraft carrier in 2012. In what year did India start operating supersonic aircraft on its aircraft carrier?

Trials are not real use. INS Vikramaditya was commissioned as a combat ship in 2014. Liaoning only entered naval fleets in 2018. Before that it was just a training ship.


If we start counting trial and training period that INS Vikramaditya, Mig29K was used to test INS Vikramaditya from 2010 or so.

 

[huanghong]

No my dear! Just because some thing is used in some cases it does not mean it is to be used always for carrier ships!

First modern Bulbous bows have been incorporated in designs since 60s. There are MANY MANY MANY consideration to bulbous bows. Things like, if your ship is going to operate on same speed during most of it life? Size of your ship? Even schedule of your operation.

Bulbous Bows work by destructive interference of wave generated by ship's hull and the bulb. Remember, waves generated by bulb and hull MUST coincide or bulb will WORK AGAINST you if a constructive interfence happens. It will pitch your ship EVEN WORSE. Now if you have taken physics in high school, you know what decides the interfernce? its the wave length of the wave. Wavelength of waves in water (caused due to moving objects like ships) depend upon the velocity of ship/object. If you can guarentee that it will always move at a constant speed, then the bulb makes a LOT OF sense. if not, it will HURT the ship (fuel and pitching) and not help because it can cause constructive interfence of waves.

Sure as hell Indian navy knows how it will operate its aircraft carriers and at what speed (constant or changing) or schedule or condition of seas in which it will operate. So thats how these design decisions are made.

US operates its warships and especially carriers over VERY long distances so they have a massive cruise phase where they are moving at a constant speed. (say deployment from East coast to Guam). Here Bulbous Bow will SAVE fuel to navy because ship will be moving at a constant speed.

Indian ships operate in its own pond (Bay of begal, Arabian sea and possibly parts of Indian ocean) so not much of long cruises but short journey to possibly enforce a blockade. So bulbous bow design makes no sense because it is hard to get right and is harmful if Navy wants to use different speeds. So them most likely omitted it.

Source :

Trials are not real use. INS Vikramaditya was commissioned as a combat ship in 2014. Liaoning only entered naval fleets in 2018.

That's what I'm trying to say, Bulbous bow is better for US Navy, please note I'm not against you saying that India doesn't adopt Bulbous bow for different reasons

No my dear! Just because some thing is used in some cases it does not mean it is to be used always for carrier ships!

First modern Bulbous bows have been incorporated in designs since 60s. There are MANY MANY MANY consideration to bulbous bows. Things like, if your ship is going to operate on same speed during most of it life? Size of your ship? Even schedule of your operation.

Bulbous Bows work by destructive interference of wave generated by ship's hull and the bulb. Remember, waves generated by bulb and hull MUST coincide or bulb will WORK AGAINST you if a constructive interfence happens. It will pitch your ship EVEN WORSE. Now if you have taken physics in high school, you know what decides the interfernce? its the wave length of the wave. Wavelength of waves in water (caused due to moving objects like ships) depend upon the velocity of ship/object. If you can guarentee that it will always move at a constant speed, then the bulb makes a LOT OF sense. if not, it will HURT the ship (fuel and pitching) and not help because it can cause constructive interfence of waves.

Sure as hell Indian navy knows how it will operate its aircraft carriers and at what speed (constant or changing) or schedule or condition of seas in which it will operate. So thats how these design decisions are made.

US operates its warships and especially carriers over VERY long distances so they have a massive cruise phase where they are moving at a constant speed. (say deployment from East coast to Guam). Here Bulbous Bow will SAVE fuel to navy because ship will be moving at a constant speed.

Indian ships operate in its own pond (Bay of begal, Arabian sea and possibly parts of Indian ocean) so not much of long cruises but short journey to possibly enforce a blockade. So bulbous bow design makes no sense because it is hard to get right and is harmful if Navy wants to use different speeds. So them most likely omitted it.

Source :

Trials are not real use. INS Vikramaditya was commissioned as a combat ship in 2014. Liaoning only entered naval fleets in 2018.

There is a clear report on the service time of the Liaoning ship, which began to serve in 2012. What is your reason for saying that it was only commissioned as a battleship in 2018?

 

[HydraChess]

There is a clear report on the service time of the Liaoning ship, which began to serve in 2012. What is your reason for saying that it was only commissioned as a battleship in 2018?

Check when it was assigned to a naval fleet and when it was used as a training ship. If we count training and trial period, INS Vikramaditya has been flying Mig-29Ks from 2010.

 

[huanghong]

Check when it was assigned to a naval fleet and when it was used as a training ship. If we count training and trial period, INS Vikramaditya has been flying Mig-29Ks from 2010.

A clear report from 2017 about a combat readiness cruise of the Liaoning in 2015

https://baijiahao.baidu.com/s?id=1579520607171150520&wfr=spider&for=pc

 

[HydraChess]

A clear report from 2017 about a combat readiness cruise of the Liaoning in 2015
https://baijiahao.baidu.com/s?id=1579520607171150520&wfr=spider&for=pc

Beijing says Liaoning is now a 'combat carrier' - Asia Times

The Liaoning, the People’s Liberation Army’s sole aircraft carrier, may still be mocked by some as a “second-hand” vessel given the 10 years of work

asiatimes.com

The Liaoning, the People’s Liberation Army’s sole aircraft carrier, may still be mocked by some as a “second-hand” vessel given the 10 years of work Beijing put into refitting a Soviet-built hulk before its commission with the Chinese navy in 2012.

The ensuing years have seen the 55,000-ton carrier deployed in China’s coastal waters, serving as a giant training ship for PLA aviators and seamen on secondment missions.

Now the Chinese carrier may have graduated to assuming a new, leading role in Beijing’s imperative to form a blue-water navy.

Chinese media are trumpeting that, following its six-month mid-life refit at the Dalian Shipyard, the Liaoning has been transformed into a “combat-ready” sea-going airbase loaded with indigenous technologies.

The article is from 2019. Only after completing a mid-life refit in 2018, it became a combat-ready ship.

At least ... and I'm surprised this hasn't been posted!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1519601490968539138

And?

 

[huanghong]

Beijing says Liaoning is now a 'combat carrier' - Asia Times

The Liaoning, the People’s Liberation Army’s sole aircraft carrier, may still be mocked by some as a “second-hand” vessel given the 10 years of work

asiatimes.com

The article is from 2019. Only after completing a mid-life refit in 2018, it became a combat-ready ship.


And?

The people who wrote this report misunderstood the original meaning of the Chinese report. How could a warship on duty in 2015 join the Navy in 2018?
Well, this is very similar to the outrageous rumor I refuted yesterday.

Opinionated - How India can "checkmate" China in a week if war breaks out

Any minute now the cow dung eating indian kids will raise 1971, because that's all they have, but they don't realise they are crapping on their own faces...they continued the main objective to breakup hindu-stan into many other states :rofl: they can't even accept their dalit army being...

defence.pk

China reports that due to poor physical fitness and excessive masturbation, the eliminated conscripts failed the draft exam and did not join the army at all.

https://www.gfbzb.gov.cn/zbbm/gzdt/201708/20170821/1625684367.html

However, Western reports have cited the Chinese military as saying thatChinese soldiers are "too poor in physical fitness and masturbated too much"? ? ? Shameless lie.

 

[HydraChess]

It is not easy to build an aircraft carrier by oneself, although it takes a long time.

INS Vikrant，Construction started in 2006，The first keel was laid in 2009，It was launched three times in 2011, 2013 and 2015, and began sea trials in 2020. It is expected to enter service in 2022.16years​

China 002 Aircraft Carrier，Construction began in 2013.It was built in the shipyard in 2015, tested at sea in 2017， and commissioned in 2019.4 years of construction, 2 years of sea trials, total cost 6 years

Chini maal, chala to chand tak naheen to sham tak.

The people who wrote this report misunderstood the original meaning of the Chinese report. How could a warship on duty in 2015 join the Navy in 2018?

Duty as what? It was in navy but NOT in naval fleet for combat. It was a training ship till late 2018s.

Well, this is very similar to the outrageous rumor I refuted yesterday.

Opinionated - How India can "checkmate" China in a week if war breaks out

Any minute now the cow dung eating indian kids will raise 1971, because that's all they have, but they don't realise they are crapping on their own faces...they continued the main objective to breakup hindu-stan into many other states :rofl: they can't even accept their dalit army being...

defence.pk

Not interested. I stay away from sensational titles.


About this : https://baijiahao.baidu.com/s?id=1579520607171150520&wfr=spider&for=pc

I cannot read Chinese and I doubt if Google will translate all the nuances of "training ship" and "combat ship assigned to a fleet" properly. So I cant access information in it.

 

[huanghong]

Chini maal, chala to chand tak naheen to sham tak.


Duty as what? It was in navy but NOT in naval fleet for combat. It was a training ship till late 2018s.


Not interested. I stay away from sensational titles.

In 2015, the Liaoning was participating in the live-fire exercise of the battle group, rather than doing single-ship take-off and landing training

 

[HydraChess]

In 2015, the Liaoning was participating in the live-fire exercise of the battle group, rather than doing single-ship take-off and landing training

Not denying that it fired some weapons in training, it was still a training ship. Not a combat ship deployed in naval fleets.

 

[huanghong]

Not denying that it fired some weapons in training, it was still a training ship. Not a combat ship deployed in naval fleets.

Can you tell me when the Mig-29Ks of INS Vikramaditya will participate in the battle group live-fire exercise? I didn't find any relevant information