INS Vikramaditya commissioned

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[IND151]

@sancho @Capt.Popeye > how many aircrafts viki can carry?

They cost around $4-5 for the USN AFAIK. The Viky was never intended to cost $2.35 though, but then it seems both sides underestimated the amount of work involved. The IAC-1 should cost around $2BN USD for 40-42,000 ton ACC but a MUCH more modern one at that. From there the IAC-2 (of it is set to be 65,000+ tons really) should be quite a bit more especially if the IN is intending to put CATs on it. However the lessons learnt from IAC-1 should translate into some cost savings for all future IN ACCs.

How much aircrafts Viki can carry?

 

[UKBengali]

Here is the modified plan of the hanger and deck with the anchoring points. In the Hanger there are two possible combinations .

1. 13 Fighter Jets and 6 Helicopters i.e 19 Aircrafts in the Hanger
2. 10 Fighter Jest with 13 Helicopters i.e. 23 Aircraft in the Hanger.

The deck has 17 aircraft anchoring points. But comfortably hold 13 Fighter Jets and a maximum of 17 Fighter jets.

Combine that with the Hanger capacity and we get two possible Maximum capacity combinations that can be used by the IN, depending on the situation

1. 13 + 17 = 30 Fighter Jets and 6 Helicopters i.e. 36 Aircrafts.
2. 10 + 17 = 27 Fighter Jets and 13 Helicopters i.e. 40 Aircrafts.

However if you consider a more relaxed load, it would be,

1. 13+13 = 26 Fighter Jets and 6 + 2 = 8 Helicopters i.e. 34 Aircrafts
2. 10 + 14 = 24 Fighter Jets and 13 + 1 = 14 Helicopters i.e. 38 Aircrafts.

Thank you very much for that post as it is highly informative!

I think that number 2 from the "more relaxed load" will be likely in peacetime

Number 1 may not be wise as it would allow only 8 helicopters. Maybe 4 would be dedicated to AEW, leaving only 4 for Anti-submarine and search and rescue missions.

With 24 Mig-29Ks and 14 helicopters on board, that allows a very good number of 24 Mig-29K fighters and also up to 10 helicopters that could be used for anti-submarine and search and rescue missions.

India has got itself a good deal as it has obtained both the aircraft carrier and air-wing for less than 4 billion dollars.

 

[anjaneyashruti]

Thank you very much for that post as it is highly informative!

I think that number 2 from the "more relaxed load" will be likely in peacetime

Number 1 may not be wise as it would allow only 8 helicopters. Maybe 4 would be dedicated to AEW, leaving only 4 for Anti-submarine and search and rescue missions.

With 24 Mig-29Ks and 14 helicopters on board, that allows a very good number of 24 Mig-29K fighters and also up to 10 helicopters that could be used for anti-submarine and search and rescue missions.

India has got itself a good deal as obtained it has both the aircraft carrier and air-wing for less than 4 billion dollars.

In peace time IN may carry only 10 + 8 Jets and 10 Helicopter. Maybe even less.

 

[kaykay]

Thank you very much for that post as it is highly informative!

I think that number 2 from the "more relaxed load" will be likely in peacetime

Number 1 may not be wise as it would allow only 8 helicopters. Maybe 4 would be dedicated to AEW, leaving only 4 for Anti-submarine and search and rescue missions.

With 24 Mig-29Ks and 14 helicopters on board, that allows a very good number of 24 Mig-29K fighters and also up to 10 helicopters that could be used for anti-submarine and search and rescue missions.

India has got itself a good deal as obtained it has both the aircraft carrier and air-wing for less than 4 billion dollars.

Though It can carry more than 10 helis along with 24 Mig-29Ks but I don't think that it would require more than that because lets not forget that in CBG there would be atleast 2 destroyers and 2 frigates and each of them would operate a ASW heli too.
So typical load would be 24 Mig-29K with 10 Helis(aew+asw) unless they feel that war is coming which is unlikely.

 

[Sergi]

Thank you very much for that post as it is highly informative!

I think that number 2 from the "more relaxed load" will be likely in peacetime

Number 1 may not be wise as it would allow only 8 helicopters. Maybe 4 would be dedicated to AEW, leaving only 4 for Anti-submarine and search and rescue missions.

With 24 Mig-29Ks and 14 helicopters on board, that allows a very good number of 24 Mig-29K fighters and also up to 10 helicopters that could be used for anti-submarine and search and rescue missions.

India has got itself a good deal as it has obtained both the aircraft carrier and air-wing for less than 4 billion dollars.

I am sorry but this is first time I am seeing your rational ( DOESNT MEAN PRO INDIAN ) post.

Nice calculations !!! but you should also count the rotary wings on remaining Carrier battle group. That would have couple of destroyers and frigates. So actual need of Helos on carrier might be low.
Still I am not expert of any sort so @sancho @Capt.Popeye can do better

 

[UKBengali]

I am sorry but this is first time I am seeing your rational ( DOESNT MEAN PRO INDIAN ) post.

Nice calculations !!! but you should also count the rotary wings on remaining Carrier battle group. That would have couple of destroyers and frigates. So actual need of Helos on carrier might be low.
Still I am not expert of any sort so @sancho @Capt.Popeye can do better

It is true that the escort ships could carry 4 helicopters - assuming 2 destroyers and 2 frigates

Anyway it is good to know that the aircraft carrier can carry 30 Mig-29K if India wanted to. 30 Mig-29ks are a truly formidable force and much more powerful than the BD air-force.

 

[anjaneyashruti]

It is true that the escort ships could carry 4 helicopters - assuming 2 destroyers and 2 frigates

Anyway it is good to know that the aircraft carrier can carry 30 Mig-29K if India wanted to. 30 Mig-29ks are a truly formidable force and much more powerful than the BD air-force.

BD is almost completely covered by India from all sides. In any case unless BD discovers Huge Oil fields, India is unlikely to invade

 

[Sergi]

It is true that the escort ships could carry 4 helicopters - assuming 2 destroyers and 2 frigates

Anyway it is good to know that the aircraft carrier can carry 30 Mig-29K if India wanted to. 30 Mig-29ks are a truly formidable force and much more powerful than the BD air-force.

Actually its 2 each. So will be 6/8. Carrier group is still not know for sure.

 

[Roybot]

That might be 311, but if it has a engine, it can fly. I am not sure why you are so certain it cannot fly. Once viki reach India, It will probably fly out of viki and go back to Russia.

I am sure, because of the condition that aircraft is in. A fully functional prototype would not be sitting like that out in the snow with all that garbage strewn about. And either case that Mig looks too worn out to be IN Mig 29

June 2010: to the deck of "Vikramaditiya" in Syevyerodvinsk shipyard (produced by Севмаш, Sevmash Plant) was delivered a "mockup" of MiG-29K to perform a test of ship's equipment. It's the old first prototype of MiG-29K 9-31, bort number #311.

As I said, it just there to train for and trial the ground and deck operations.

Even the Kamov sitting in the hangar is just a mock up.

https://twitter.com/x/status/401722197963993088

https://twitter.com/x/status/401721116256768001

 

[Sergi]

I am sure, because of the condition that aircraft is in. A fully functional prototype would not be sitting like that out in the snow with all that garbage strewn about. And either case that Mig looks too worn out to be IN Mig 29



As I said, it just there to train for and trial the ground and deck operations.

Even the Kamov sitting in the hangar is just a mock up.

https://twitter.com/x/status/401722197963993088

https://twitter.com/x/status/401721116256768001

Another thread clearly said it has no MIGs only helos.
Strong as the Sun: Vikramaditya is like no other ship Indian Navy ever had

4/5th paragraph

 

[Contrarian]

This was quoted from the book written by Amish Tripathi, as referred by @Capt.Popeye.

Try and tickle the fleshy part of the goosefoot family lover's upper story and talk about the woolgathering of your own country's education system first.

Its a best seller in India.
I know what is written in the book. The implications you are drawing from whats written are wrong.

I do believe you also validated my statement about Pakistan's education system. And consequently the comprehension capabilities of the fine folks over there.

 

[Nassr]

Its a best seller in India.
I know what is written in the book. The implications you are drawing from whats written are wrong.

I do believe you also validated my statement about Pakistan's education system. And consequently the comprehension capabilities of the fine folks over there.

Confronted with your frivolity, you are again accusing me. I think it is your comprehension which is questioned here. Have you studied in RSS run shishu-mandir schools - so it seems.

 

[Chronos]

Confronted with your frivolity, you are again accusing me. I think it is your comprehension which is questioned here. Have you studied in RSS run shishu-mandir schools - so it seems.

Both Pakistanis and Indians have stupidity and jingoism in high supply.

 

[sancho]

How much aircrafts Viki can carry?

Like most reports said around 30 x aircrafts, including helicopters. When we look at the markings on the deck, we can see 4 x parkingspots in front of the Island for fighters (marked as TP1 - 4), while there are 8 behind (TP5 - 12) + 2 x take off spots (marked as TTP1 and TTP2):

So a total of 12 x aircrafts + 2 at the take off spots "could" be used on deck, while it's questionable if the take off spots will be used during landings. Also, 2 of the parkingspots are next to the rear elevator and when used to park fighters, you basically can't use the elevator anymore, which makes it more likely to use them for helicopters, while 1 fighter could be placed at the elevator itself:

A lot of pics also show fuel bowser in front or behind the island, which means one of the parkingspots (TP4 or 5) might be free to park or move vehicles around.

So all in all, of the 12 x spots on deck, 8 or 9 could be used for fighters, 2-3 for helicopters, while the rest of the aircrafts would be parked in the hangar and the more fighters you take, the lower the overall number of aircrafts.

4 x AEW helicopters should be minimum, with the low endurance and detection capability, you might even use 2 at a time, during war times, which would require at least 3 in reserve at the carrier. Another 4-5 helicopters for utility, ASW roles, which leaves roughly 20 x fighters (+/- 2 depending on what aircrafts).

I am sorry but this is first time I am seeing your rational ( DOESNT MEAN PRO INDIAN ) post.

Nice calculations !!! but you should also count the rotary wings on remaining Carrier battle group. That would have couple of destroyers and frigates. So actual need of Helos on carrier might be low.
Still I am not expert of any sort so @sancho @Capt.Popeye can do better

Good point! If we assume at least 2 x Destroyers and up to 2-3 x Frigats specially for the ASW role, that would add another 2 x helicopter per vessel and logically most of them should be ASW helicopters, which would give the carrier more space to use fighters instead of ASW helis.