Information Pool & Analysis on Pakistan's AF Aspiration for Su-35 / Su-35S - FLANKER-E

[Muhammad Omar]

Arey bhai India ko kai saal ho gai Rafale nahi aaya, ab tum ye timely khareed lena

Jitni negotiation apkay Minister kr rhy hain Rafales pe itna koi aurat sabzi letay waqt nahi krti

 

[[Bregs]]

Jitni negotiation apkay Minister kr rhy hain Rafales pe itna koi aurat sabzi letay waqt nahi krti

lol true

 

[Hephaestus]

Jitni negotiation apkay Minister kr rhy hain Rafales pe itna koi aurat sabzi letay waqt nahi krti

sahi bole

 

[Jammer]

The news does not say that the deal has been finalized yet
Plus the Russians will never sell us the AL41 engines because of Indian lobbying. Most likely the deal will involve just the airframes

Ummm...nope. Doesn't work like that.

 

[Sankpal]

Jitni negotiation apkay Minister kr rhy hain Rafales pe itna koi aurat sabzi letay waqt nahi krti

 

[Signalian]

I know it is hard to kick off dependency on drugs. If PAF like the Su-35 the PAF should purchase it. Pakistan does not have enough $$$ or influence to play Russia against USA especially with one neighbor breathing down your neck

Interestingly usually countries which are hit by sanctions and operate F-16's go for SU-30 series of aircraft. Venezuelan and Indonesian are examples.

 

[fitpOsitive]

Aik yahi baat to ha jis per Indians be agree kerta hain or woh yeh kah Pakistani defence procurement are much quicker and quieter than their Indian counterparts. We dont have the stupid bureaucracy delaying such matters.

Its not about bureaucracy. Indians dont buy things quickly. Its their general habit. Wait for their next pentra, which I guess may be dangerous. Its my humble opinion that SU-35 should not be procured more than two squadrons for now. Besides that as far as our aerial capability is concern, we should also improve our anti-stealth capability.

 

[IceCold]

Its not about bureaucracy. Indians dont buy things quickly. Its their general habit. Wait for their next pentra, which I guess may be dangerous. Its my humble opinion that SU-35 should not be procured more than two squadrons for now. Besides that as far as our aerial capability is concern, we should also improve our anti-stealth capability.

We hardly have any air capability worthy of giving opponent a run for their money. Few F-16s backed by JF-17s against MKI, Mirage 2000, Jaguars and in future rafale. If Su-35 comes than it will provide us with the range for deep strike missions and also his naval role will be pivotal against Indian navy which is backed by MIG-29s. We definitely need more than 2 squadrons. 5th generation is a long road ahead. Forget anything before 2025 at all.

 

[ejaz007]

We hardly have any air capability worthy of giving opponent a run for their money. Few F-16s backed by JF-17s against MKI, Mirage 2000, Jaguars and in future rafale. If Su-35 comes than it will provide us with the range for deep strike missions and also his naval role will be pivotal against Indian navy which is backed by MIG-29s. We definitely need more than 2 squadrons. 5th generation is a long road ahead. Forget anything before 2025 at all.

Don't you agree our air capability has improved compared to the same say five to seven years ago.

 

[wiseone2]

Interestingly usually countries which are hit by sanctions and operate F-16's go for SU-30 series of aircraft. Venezuelan and Indonesian are examples.

Does Venezuela need Su-30s ?? They would be an ideal candidate for JF-17

 

[deckingraj]

Bilateral trade between Russia and India in 2015 was around 6 billion dollars.
Pakistan can easily take the trade to 10 billion dollars with Russia. It can offer ormara Beach to Russia for port development, trade and other joint strategic projects.
Bottom line Russia can come our way easily given your shift towards west. Pakistan's geography will continue to surprise you.

People just throw such liners as if Pakistan earlier was somewhere in Mars and now have finally rested in current location...Anyways if you can easily take the trade with Russia to $10 billion then whom i am to complain....all i can say is Best of Luck!!

 

[Thorough Pro]

out of habit they bit more than they can chew like the Rafael deal and had to save face, so leaked the pages to use as an excuse to cancel the deal they didn't have the money for.

And the MoD ch*tiyas cancelled the follow up order for 3 more Scorpenes for no reason.

 

[Basel]

We hardly have any air capability worthy of giving opponent a run for their money. Few F-16s backed by JF-17s against MKI, Mirage 2000, Jaguars and in future rafale. If Su-35 comes than it will provide us with the range for deep strike missions and also his naval role will be pivotal against Indian navy which is backed by MIG-29s. We definitely need more than 2 squadrons. 5th generation is a long road ahead. Forget anything before 2025 at all.

If you see the situation then at least 4 squadron of Su-35S or similar aircraft is required to fulfill many roles which frontline aircraft is required for. Remember PAF use to deploy small detachments of frontline aircrafts at different location for various missions due to low number availability of aircrafts.

 

[ZedZeeshan]

Don't you agree our air capability has improved compared to the same say five to seven years ago.

I agree with you...I still remember in 2008 when Mumbai attack happened and India thretened Pakistan with surgical strike.Our F16 were not BVR capable, No F 16 block 52 , Jf17 Thunder were not operational, No Early Warning Aircraft..
On the other side India had a pretty strong Air Force,
I personally feel India had a golden opportunity but they missed it..

 

[thrilainmanila]

I agree with you...I still remember in 2008 when Mumbai attack happened and India thretened Pakistan with surgical strike.Our F16 were not BVR capable, No F 16 block 52 , Jf17 Thunder were not operational, No Early Warning Aircraft..
On the other side India had a pretty strong Air Force,
I personally feel India had a golden opportunity but they missed it..

there was a rumor going on that the IAF sent 4 fully armed SU-30s into Pak airspace but they were quickly escorted out by the PAF, even despite lacking the above, part of the reason why India Fauj didn't attack was because of the preparedness of the PAF apparently, and this is from western sources.