Infiltration bid foiled in J&K, 2 militants killed

[dabong1]

You seems to be assuming too much lately, by the way just to clarify, my post was only directed towards attack on military personals by Freedom Fighters (Your definition of Terrorist) and as you guys have invented this term freedom fighters, and use at the place of your choosing, so allow me too, in order to share this complex conjuncture.

I try to keep the term "freedom fighter" to the Kashmir issue as most pakistanis on this forum do ,I try not to use the term for all the other insurgency groups in india......so my definition is pretty clear.
The reason for not calling the other groups in india that are fighting against the state freedom fighters is that they choose to join india where the kashmiris did not.
By you widening the definition to any group that is attacking the state are "freedom fighters" can only lead most pakistanis to start calling all the anti india groups in india as freedom fighters.
It wont be "sikh militants" no more but "sikh freedom fighters"........the naxalites become the "east indian freedom fighters".

And by the way, just to ostracize any attempt by you to claim moral high ground about attack on civilian thing, hmm.......well,

I still hold the moral high ground as it seems you cant bring yourself around to condemn attacks on civilians......instead an excuse below for not doing so.

i have seen you guys enjoying attack on civilians in India in the past 3 years of my stay on this forum, just for ex, most of pak members here are quite proud on 10 mard-e-momin's Mujaheddin's who came to Mumbai and killed 180 innocent children and women (kaffirs) on November 26, 2008.

Most pakistanis feel the same amount of sorrow for the mumbai dead as the indian public does for the dead kashmiris killed at the hands of the IA.

Well, my statement "Its all Mutual" was an attempt to clarify that you are not the only one, who feels something when Indian forces gets attacked in Jammu and kashmir state of India. We also feel the same when "Freedom fighters" attack your forces in your country, and be it Any Where in pakistan. See...in the end it all melt down to the word "Freedom Fighter"

Thankyou for telling me that how you feel.......next time pakistanis get happy and cheer at the killing of indian forces anywhere in india and we call them freedom fighters am sure you will understand why.





Any echo that. [/QUOTE]

 

[RoYaL~GuJJaR]

I try to keep the term "freedom fighter" to the Kashmir issue as most pakistanis on this forum do ,I try not to use the term for all the other insurgency groups in india......so my definition is pretty clear.
The reason for not calling the other groups in india that are fighting against the state freedom fighters is that they choose to join india where the kashmiris did not.
By you widening the definition to any group that is attacking the state are "freedom fighters" can only lead most pakistanis to start calling all the anti india groups in india as freedom fighters.
It wont be "sikh militants" no more but "sikh freedom fighters"........the naxalites become the "east indian freedom fighters".

Sadly, this forum and its rule's doesn't exemplify the real world reality, it just holds a small space in this vast Internet world, where we express our opinions. Its as simple as that. But as you guys quite often say, "One mans Terrorist is another mans Freedom Fighter" so this thumb rule can be applied well within your country and elsewhere, and you are free to use it, as I am.

What you try and not to is not the matter of contention here, the matter is universal analogy of this word "Freedom Fighter" And regarding your assumption that Kashmir didn't choose to be part of India and all that propaganda, well we hold the valid document of accession of the valley and separatist movement in the valley is all backed by your Army/IsI which is well known fact to everyone. I don't want to get into details of it, but just to give you a small example, why was Kashmir and Kashmirs were peaceful before 89 ? Or i may say, before Bangladesh got independence ? Hmm... Its enough Hint.

I still hold the moral high ground as it seems you cant bring yourself around to condemn attacks on civilians......instead an excuse below for not doing so.

No you don't anymore and your statement below shine that, secondly, i don't need to condemn anything on this thread to make you believe something, you can dig up the threads and check my comments.

Most pakistanis feel the same amount of sorrow for the mumbai dead as the indian public does for the dead kashmiris killed at the hands of the IA.

And we also feel the same amount of sorrow for pakistani civilians who dead North and south of your country as the pakistani public does for those who killed in east pakistan by PA and currently by ISI in Balochistan.

See....as i state, "Its all Mutual"

Thankyou for telling me that how you feel.......next time pakistanis get happy and cheer at the killing of indian forces anywhere in india and we call them freedom fighters am sure you will understand why.

You guys already do it, nothing to be surprised about here.

 

[dabong1]

Sadly, this forum and its rule's doesn't exemplify the real world reality, it just holds a small space in this vast Internet world, where we express our opinions. Its as simple as that. But as you guys quite often say, "One mans Terrorist is another mans Freedom Fighter" so this thumb rule can be applied well within your country and elsewhere, and you are free to use it, as I am.

Go ahead.....has anybody stopped you?

What you try and not to is not the matter of contention here, the matter is universal analogy of this word "Freedom Fighter" And regarding your assumption that Kashmir didn't choose to be part of India and all that propaganda, well we hold the valid document of accession of the valley and separatist movement in the valley is all backed by your Army/IsI which is well known fact to everyone. I don't want to get into details of it, but just to give you a small example, why was Kashmir and Kashmirs were peaceful before 89 ? Or i may say, before Bangladesh got independence ? Hmm... Its enough Hint.

If your that sure why dont you put it to a vote in kashmir?
I mean the people of kashmir would have a choice between "fanatical militant fundamentalist" pakistan and "liberal democratic tolerant" india......you would win the elction hands down......would you not

No you don't anymore and your statement below shine that, secondly, i don't need to condemn anything on this thread to make you believe something, you can dig up the threads and check my comments.

I think your confusing feelings from thoughts and concluding wrongly that i agree with the mumbai attacks.
Still cant come round to condemning attacks on civilians.

And we also feel the same amount of sorrow for pakistani civilians who dead North and south of your country as the pakistani public does for those who killed in east pakistan by PA and currently by ISI in Balochistan.

See....as i state, "Its all Mutual"

I feel a strange case of Dejavu coming over me.

You guys already do it, nothing to be surprised about here.

I must congratulate you on reinforcing that view

 

[INDIC]

If your that sure why dont you put it to a vote in kashmir?
I mean the people of kashmir would have a choice between "fanatical militant fundamentalist" pakistan and "liberal democratic tolerant" india......you would win the elction hands down......would you not

Why have Pakistan scrapped the right of independence from the constitution of Kashmir(occupied by Pakistan), Those who talk about independence of Kashmir from Pakistan are harassed and put in jail.

 

[dabong1]

Why have Pakistan scrapped the right of independence from the constitution of Kashmir(occupied by Pakistan), Those who talk about independence of Kashmir from Pakistan are harassed and put in jail.

When did the pakistani constitution call or an independent kashmir ? In your constitution does it says kashmir can go independent?
The pakistani govt is willing to have a vote on the issue and after the vote the people can have what they want unlike yourself's!....If i remember correctly there is no provision in the UN resolution for an independent Kashmir.

 

[INDIC]

When did the pakistani constitution call or an independent kashmir ? In your constitution does it says kashmir can go independent?
The pakistani govt is willing to have a vote on the issue and after the vote the people can have what they want unlike yourself's!....If i remember correctly there is no provision in the UN resolution for an independent Kashmir.

Go read Azad Kashmir's(azad only in name) constitution.

 

[Parul]

@<u><a href="http://www.defence.pk/forums/member.php?u=141806" target="_blank">Parul</a></u> What ever you say, the fact remains same "Post partition you got chhittars and further division of Punjab when you demanded Punjabi Suba, you got chhittars when you demanded Punjabi as official language and now your left over Punjab (infect doaab as you don't have five rivers) don't even have it's own capital"

When @dabong1 mentioned about Khalistan in his POST, I wanted to know his POV on Current Khalistan Movement and asked questions from him. Further, I shared understanding of other Pakistani Member&#8217;s, including you. However, your eyes could not read my POST and you are again back with your GIBBERISH.

There are many SCHOLARS&#8217;, POET&#8217;S, ARTIST, MUSICIANS AND PEOPLE FROM DIFFERENT SPHERES OF LIFE who teach us about PUNJAB, OUR PAST, OUR PRESENT and EVILS IN OUR SOCIETY. Here is one of the examples of it:

I WISH THIS WORLD AROUND US WAS NOT AS COMPLICATED AS IT IS. THIS IS NOTHING NEW OVER CENTURY&#8217;S RELIGION, COLOR OF SKIN A GEOGRAPHICAL DIVIDE HAVE BEEN DRIVING WEDGES IN HUMANITY. THIS GREAT GAME OF DIVIDE AND RULE NEVER STOPPED JUST THE PLAYERS KEEP CHANGING TIME TO TIME.

I answered your Off Topics in other Thread on Khalistan. THOUGH, I DO COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT OF VIEW AND EVEN THE REASONS BEHIND IT, NAMELY BRAINWASHING. I still go ahead and answer your post.

THE RIVERS IN PUNJAB:

Chenab: The Chenab originates from the confluence of two rivers, the Chandra and the Bhaga, which themselves originate from either side of the Bara Lacha Pass in Lahul. It is also known as the Chandrabhaga in Himachal Pradesh. It runs parallel to the Pir Panjal Range in the north-westerly direction, and cuts through the range near Kishtwar. It enters the plains of Punjab near Akhnur and is later joined by the Jhelum. It is further joined by the Ravi and the Sutlej in Pakistan.


Ravi: The Ravi originates near the Rotang pass in the Kangra Himalayas and follows a north-westerly course. It turns to the south-west, near Dalhousie, and then cuts a gorge in the Dhaola Dhar range entering the Punjab plain near Madhopur. It flows as a part of the Indo-Pakistan border for some distance before entering Pakistan and joining the Chenab river. The total length of the river is about 720 km.


Beas: The Beas originates in Beas Kund, lying near the Rohtang pass. It runs past Manali and Kulu, where its beautiful valley is known as the Kulu valley. It first follows a north-west path from the town of Mandi and later a westerly path, before entering the Punjab plains near Mirthal. It joins the Sutlej river near Harika, after being joined by a few tributaries. The total length of the river is 615 km.

Sutlej: The Sutlej originates from the Rakas Lake, which is connected to the Manasarovar lake by a stream, in Tibet. Its flows in a north-westerly direction and enters Himachal Pradesh at the Shipki Pass, where it is joined by the Spiti river. It cuts deep gorges in the ranges of the Himalayas, and finally enters the Punjab plain after cutting a gorge in a hill range, the Naina Devi Dhar, where the Bhakra Dam having a large reservoir of water, called the Gobind Sagar, has been constructed. It turns west below Rupar and is later joined by the Beas. It enters Pakistan near Sulemanki, and is later joined by the Chenab. It has a total length of almost 1500 km.

Jhelum: The Jhelum originates in the south-eastern part of Kashmir, in a spring at Verinag. It flows into the Wular Lake, which lies to the north, and then into Baramula. Between Baramula and Muzaffarabad it enters a deep gorge cut by the river in the Pir Panjal range. It has a right bank tributary the Kishanganga which joins it at Muzaffarabad. It follows the Indo-Pakistan border flowing into the plains of Punjab, finally joining the Chenab at Trimmu.


The area of PUNJAB stretching between THE RIVERS OF BEAS AND SUTLEJ is popularly known as DOABA. The major cities in this part of Punjab are Jalandhar, Hoshiarpur and Nawan Shahr. The area between Beas and Chenab rivers and on either sides of Ravi together is popularly termed as Majha. This part can truly be called the heart of Punjab and one of the major cities of this part is Amritsar. The Majha part of Punjab have largely been developed by converting the forests into cultivating land and is called Bar. The area beyond Chenab River in North and around river Jhelum is popularly termed as Pothohar. The area between the rivers Ravi and Chenab is widely known as Rachna doab. The area of Malwa in southern Punjab lying in the east of river Beas, include cities like Ludhiana, Patiala, Ambala, Karnal, Sangrur, Malerkotla, Shahabad, and Abohar.

Punjab is not the only state in India out of which other states were carved out. Jharkhand was carved out of the southern part of Bihar and Uttarakhand from a different state.

PUNJAB was divided on linguistic basis. On 1 November, 1966, the Hindi-speaking southern half of Punjab became a separate state, Haryana, and the Pahari speaking hilly areas in north east were given to Himachal Pradesh. When India&#8217;s punjab was separated, the city of Chandigarh &#8212; on the border of Punjab and Haryana &#8212; became a union territory to serve as capital of both states. The city itself is controlled by the national government.

During LONGOWAL ACCORD, it was agreed THAT CHANDIGARH would be transferred to PUNJAB; A COMMISSION would determine what HINDI-SPEAKING territories would be transferred from PUNJAB TO HARYANA. However, Khalistan movement forced a postponement of the shift. If not today, then tomorrow, we&#8217;ll have our own capital.

TOH LANAT TERI IGNORENCE NU. JARA APNI COSTIPATION TEH CONSPIRACY THERORY TOH BARH AH KEY THODA INDIA DI OFFICAL LANGUAGES VARE, PUNJAB EDUCATION ACT AUR PUNJAB VARE PADH LIYE, HO SAKDA HAI TU JOKERA VALE SAVAL PUCCHANA BAND KAR DEY. JAY EH ADAT HAI PHIR THA

It doesn't sound good when a Pakistani talks about CHITTAR&#8217;S.


1. In 1947, WEST/EAST PAKISTAN were BORN mainly for MUSLIMS, so that they can LIVE PEACEFULLY. However, WORLD knows the deeds of WEST PAKISTAN which lead to creation of &#8220;BANGLADESH&#8221;. JO PARTION TOH BAD MILEYE OH TAY SAMB NAI SAKE, then where were your CHITTAR&#8217;S?

2. When Pakistani Army surrendered to INDIA in 1971, then where were your CHITTAR&#8217;S?

3. Everyday US violates SOVEREIGNTY of your country as if it is a Childs play and kills scores of your citizens, then where were your CHITTAR&#8217;S?

4. US KILLED Pakistani Army PERSONNEL and Pakistan didn&#8217;t do jack, then where were your CHITTAR&#8217;S?

5. US citizen Kills Pakistanis and Pakistan allows him to leave for US, then where were your CHITTAR&#8217;S?

6. When US marines hovered near your army headquarters, killed OBL and took his body safely with them, then where were your CHITTAR&#8217;S?

7. Everyday Pakistanis are killing each other in Bomb Lasts and Sectarian Violence, then where were your CHITTAR&#8217;S?

8. When Taliban Beheads your Soldier&#8217;s, then where were your CHITTAR&#8217;S?

KAKE!!! DEDEY KHOL KAY VEKH, TVAHANOO ROZ CHITTAR PENDE PAY NAY.. I am repating your quote: dob kay mar jaoo


MILITANTS were GUNNED DOWN and MILITANCY in Punjab was HAULTED . Currently, Punjab is one of India's most PROSPEROUS and PEACEFUL STATE and SIKHS ARE AMONGST THE WEALTHIEST COMMUNITIES IN INDIA. Sikhs have integrated in India and world has moved to July 2013. Our current prime minister from 9 years is Sikh &#8220;Dr. Manmohan Singh&#8221;, our chief economy advisor is Sikh &#8220;Montek Singh Ahluwalia&#8221; and our army chief is Sikh &#8220;Bikram Singh&#8221;. However, some Pakistanis are still leaving in 1980&#8217;s.


Mr. Punjab Expert, forgive me now please but i am tempted to quote a quranic verse that fits the situation the words are "SUMMUN, BUKMUN & UMYUN" i.e. DEAF, DUMB and BLIND. No matter how much you show the mirror and highlight the contradictions you will be responded with an irrelevant and stupid question or an explanation that has nothing to do with what you are saying.

 

[Parul]

why dont we put it to a vote and see what happens.

@dabong1 According to OUR CONSTITUTION, we held Elections in Jammu and Kashmir. You can view the result by visiting the below link:

Omar Abdullah to take oath as J&K CM before Jan 6 : Elections 2008: Jammu and Kashmir, News - India Today

We will hold the referendum as soon as you fulfill the first condition for that i.e. Pakistan's withdrawal from Pakistani Kashmir. Do that, and then talk about referendum.

And by the way, the notion of a referendum is now outdated, because Pakistan pumped in non Kashmiri Pakistanis (Punjabis, Sindhis etc) into Kashmir all these years. Send them all back and then talk about a referendum.

As opposed to that, India gave special privileges to Kashmiris that no non Kashmiri can settle in Indian Kashmir. Other than the horrible exodus of Kashmiri pundits by Islamic militants, no ethnic changes happened in Indian Kashmir. So if a referendum is held across Kashmir today, in Pakistani Kashmir it will be Punjabis and Sindhis voting, not Kashmiris. We kept our promise to Kashmiris, you didn't.


If you want referendum, fulfill the first condition - withdraw all Pakistani forces from Pakistani Kashmir, and hold a referendum under UN mandate. What are you so afraid of, why aren't you doing it?

I have a question for you. Why doesn't Pakistan take AKASI CHIN back? Don&#8217;t you think, in future, it will help in resolving Kashmir Issue, as third country will be out of it?

I also fail to understand, why PAKISTANI AND INDIAN KASHMIRI Freedom Fighter&#8217;s doesn't raise the issue of AKASI CHIN, Don&#8217;t THEY LOVE IT AND CONSIDER IT AS LEGITIMATE PART OF KASHMIR???

In the same breath......you have occupied kashmir for decades and it has not changed the kashmiri an single inch towards accepting india. You keep sending troops and we will keep backing the kashmiris.......round and round we go.

This is what I was trying to Convey, We&#8217;ll keep on Running in Vicious Circle in which we are running from 65 Years with no Result. You send them; we will kill them and dump them in unmarked graves.

well we only have to wait a couple of years to see who was correct......i think my predictions from the taliban returning to power to the indian solider who got is eyes gouged out by militants which i said had been done by non militants turned to to be true.

At the moment, Uncle SAM COMPLETLEY Withdrawing from AFGHANISTAN is mere Prediction &#8220;JITNE MUH UTNI BAATEIN&#8221;. I recently saw Predications of Many Nostradamus from Pakistan going wrong on PDF. My Best wishes are with you but still I&#8217;LL RATHER WAIT AND WATCH.

Japan to grant India $2.32 billion aid for infrastructure building
Japan to grant India $2.32 billion aid for infrastructure building - Economic Times

Should we stop sending 1.5 Billion in Aid to India?
Should we stop sending 1.5 Billion in Aid to India?

Look whose talking about aid

WE DON&#8217;T NEED UK&#8217;S AID

India tells Britain: We don't want your aid - Telegraph


http://www.defence.pk/forums/econom...an-imf-agree-5-3-billion-bailout-package.html

Look who is talking about giving aid

SIKH COMMUNITY IS ONE OF THE WEALTHIEST COMMUNITIES IN INDIA. THEREFORE, WE DON&#8217;T REQUIRE $$$. MY COMMENT WAS ONLY SPECIFIC TO KHALISTAN PIPE DREAM MOVEMENT.

The only people attacking pakistan are indian backed terrorist groups and once the US leaves we will clean them out and then am pretty sure pakistan will start sending "tourist" over the LOC.

Deny and Feel Free to Blame India for your Miseries . These articles are from PDF.


http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakist...st-quetta-s-hazara-town-kills-least-28-a.html

http://www.defence.pk/forums /pakistans-war/261716-gunmen-kill-two-policemen-pakistans-peshawar.html

http://www.defence.pk/forums/strate...n-among-9-killed-explosion-near-peshawar.html

http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/261551-bomb-attacks-kill-49-people-amid-uk-pms-trip.html

http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakist...paramilitary-soldiers-northwest-pakistan.html

Like you, Mr. Rehman Malik, also blamed India for Pakistan Miseries and said Pakistan will provide the Proof of India&#8217;s Involvement. New Govt. has been established in Pakistan but where is the Proof. IF ABOVE IS DONE BY INDIA AND PAKISTAN HAS PROOF, then why it&#8217;s not taking India to International Court and Media. What has stopped it???

However, the Fact is: HOT AIR BALLOON DON&#8217;T STAY IN AIR FOREVER AND NEITHER DOES THE RHETORIC FROM PAKISTAN.

BOLD PART:Where they were before USA came? Fighting India, or their own people?

Anyway, send your worst. All the Lashkars, Mujahideens, Talibs and other primitive lunatics will be sent to the same unmarked graves that their predecessors went to. India will not tolerate their nonsense, because they won't find sympathizers in India, like they do in Pakistan (you, for example).

The Pakistani army itself, with all its tanks and artillery and air support and tanks cannot challenge India&#8217;s might. Your bearded gunmen cannot do much either. I know it hurts to hear this, but it is true. Just because they have a beard and a Kalashnikov and a medieval ideology, does not mean that they can do jack against a stable, pluralistic nation like India with a professional military and police.

Even your Pakistani army cannot dream to take anything from India, so your bearded lunatics won't dream to dream. "Let America leave, then we will declare victory and conquer India" might be the latest motivational pamphlets the talibs distribute, while hiding in their caves until America leaves. Such threats may scare a rabbit.

I am from kashmir....family both sides of the LOC so i have a pretty good what the people of kashmir want.
A fair settlement and peace.

We also want fair and peaceful settlement. I even went to THE HAZRATBAL SHRINE and prayed for Peace and Prosperity in Kashmir and Humanity.

I think Recognizing LOC as an International border is the only practical solution at the moment. STATUS QUO

@KRAIT @notsuperstitious @COLDHEARTED AVIATOR @third eye, [MENTION=15420]your views on it

 

[illusion8]

@dabong1, have the original conditions for a plebiscite met? if yes then there will be one, and if no then there will not be one.

 

[RoYaL~GuJJaR]

Go ahead.....has anybody stopped you?

Even if you want, You can't either.

If your that sure why dont you put it to a vote in kashmir?
I mean the people of kashmir would have a choice between "fanatical militant fundamentalist" pakistan and "liberal democratic tolerant" india......you would win the elction hands down......would you not

Impart the prerequisites for any kind of vote/plebiscite in pakistan Occupied Kashmir as stated in the UN Resolution.

~ Than talk.

I think your confusing feelings from thoughts and concluding wrongly that i agree with the mumbai attacks.

No i am not, I was also depicting the feelings of Indians.

Still cant come round to condemning attacks on civilians.

For that you need to dig up the threads on blasts in pakistan and see my comments.

I feel a strange case of Dejavu coming over me.

Its also called as "Mutual Feeling".

I must congratulate you on reinforcing that view

Do i need to provide the Link of threads ? Although i am lazy at that.......

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

@Parul

Yeah i think it is the only solution to the problem.

If Pakistan is interested in bringing the Indian Kashmir to the table then it should also bring its part of Kashmir to the table also and then the Kashmiri pandits will also be involved and honestly even if there is vote on who the majority wants to be with i dont see Pakistan winning with Jammu region and Leh Ladakh region being involved along with the Pandits.

However this doesnt seem possible so the better and the sensible thing to do is to consider the LOC as the International border which i doubt will happen as we are least interested to give peace a chance and moreoever some of India's territory in Leh Ladakh region is with the Chinese.

 

[Sugarcane]

When @dabong1 mentioned about Khalistan in his POST, I wanted to know his POV on Current Khalistan Movement and asked questions from him. Further, I shared understanding of other Pakistani Member’s, including you. However, your eyes could not read my POST and you are again back with your GIBBERISH.

There are many SCHOLARS’, POET’S, ARTIST, MUSICIANS AND PEOPLE FROM DIFFERENT SPHERES OF LIFE who teach us about PUNJAB, OUR PAST, OUR PRESENT and EVILS IN OUR SOCIETY. Here is one of the examples of it:

I WISH THIS WORLD AROUND US WAS NOT AS COMPLICATED AS IT IS. THIS IS NOTHING NEW OVER CENTURY’S RELIGION, COLOR OF SKIN A GEOGRAPHICAL DIVIDE HAVE BEEN DRIVING WEDGES IN HUMANITY. THIS GREAT GAME OF DIVIDE AND RULE NEVER STOPPED JUST THE PLAYERS KEEP CHANGING TIME TO TIME.

I answered your Off Topics in other Thread on Khalistan. THOUGH, I DO COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT OF VIEW AND EVEN THE REASONS BEHIND IT, NAMELY BRAINWASHING. I still go ahead and answer your post.

THE RIVERS IN PUNJAB:

Chenab: The Chenab originates from the confluence of two rivers, the Chandra and the Bhaga, which themselves originate from either side of the Bara Lacha Pass in Lahul. It is also known as the Chandrabhaga in Himachal Pradesh. It runs parallel to the Pir Panjal Range in the north-westerly direction, and cuts through the range near Kishtwar. It enters the plains of Punjab near Akhnur and is later joined by the Jhelum. It is further joined by the Ravi and the Sutlej in Pakistan.


Ravi: The Ravi originates near the Rotang pass in the Kangra Himalayas and follows a north-westerly course. It turns to the south-west, near Dalhousie, and then cuts a gorge in the Dhaola Dhar range entering the Punjab plain near Madhopur. It flows as a part of the Indo-Pakistan border for some distance before entering Pakistan and joining the Chenab river. The total length of the river is about 720 km.


Beas: The Beas originates in Beas Kund, lying near the Rohtang pass. It runs past Manali and Kulu, where its beautiful valley is known as the Kulu valley. It first follows a north-west path from the town of Mandi and later a westerly path, before entering the Punjab plains near Mirthal. It joins the Sutlej river near Harika, after being joined by a few tributaries. The total length of the river is 615 km.

Sutlej: The Sutlej originates from the Rakas Lake, which is connected to the Manasarovar lake by a stream, in Tibet. Its flows in a north-westerly direction and enters Himachal Pradesh at the Shipki Pass, where it is joined by the Spiti river. It cuts deep gorges in the ranges of the Himalayas, and finally enters the Punjab plain after cutting a gorge in a hill range, the Naina Devi Dhar, where the Bhakra Dam having a large reservoir of water, called the Gobind Sagar, has been constructed. It turns west below Rupar and is later joined by the Beas. It enters Pakistan near Sulemanki, and is later joined by the Chenab. It has a total length of almost 1500 km.

Jhelum: The Jhelum originates in the south-eastern part of Kashmir, in a spring at Verinag. It flows into the Wular Lake, which lies to the north, and then into Baramula. Between Baramula and Muzaffarabad it enters a deep gorge cut by the river in the Pir Panjal range. It has a right bank tributary the Kishanganga which joins it at Muzaffarabad. It follows the Indo-Pakistan border flowing into the plains of Punjab, finally joining the Chenab at Trimmu.


The area of PUNJAB stretching between THE RIVERS OF BEAS AND SUTLEJ is popularly known as DOABA. The major cities in this part of Punjab are Jalandhar, Hoshiarpur and Nawan Shahr. The area between Beas and Chenab rivers and on either sides of Ravi together is popularly termed as Majha. This part can truly be called the heart of Punjab and one of the major cities of this part is Amritsar. The Majha part of Punjab have largely been developed by converting the forests into cultivating land and is called Bar. The area beyond Chenab River in North and around river Jhelum is popularly termed as Pothohar. The area between the rivers Ravi and Chenab is widely known as Rachna doab. The area of Malwa in southern Punjab lying in the east of river Beas, include cities like Ludhiana, Patiala, Ambala, Karnal, Sangrur, Malerkotla, Shahabad, and Abohar.

Punjab is not the only state in India out of which other states were carved out. Jharkhand was carved out of the southern part of Bihar and Uttarakhand from a different state.

PUNJAB was divided on linguistic basis. On 1 November, 1966, the Hindi-speaking southern half of Punjab became a separate state, Haryana, and the Pahari speaking hilly areas in north east were given to Himachal Pradesh. When India’s punjab was separated, the city of Chandigarh — on the border of Punjab and Haryana — became a union territory to serve as capital of both states. The city itself is controlled by the national government.

During LONGOWAL ACCORD, it was agreed THAT CHANDIGARH would be transferred to PUNJAB; A COMMISSION would determine what HINDI-SPEAKING territories would be transferred from PUNJAB TO HARYANA. However, Khalistan movement forced a postponement of the shift. If not today, then tomorrow, we’ll have our own capital.

TOH LANAT TERI IGNORENCE NU. JARA APNI COSTIPATION TEH CONSPIRACY THERORY TOH BARH AH KEY THODA INDIA DI OFFICAL LANGUAGES VARE, PUNJAB EDUCATION ACT AUR PUNJAB VARE PADH LIYE, HO SAKDA HAI TU JOKERA VALE SAVAL PUCCHANA BAND KAR DEY. JAY EH ADAT HAI PHIR THA

It doesn't sound good when a Pakistani talks about CHITTAR’S.


1. In 1947, WEST/EAST PAKISTAN were BORN mainly for MUSLIMS, so that they can LIVE PEACEFULLY. However, WORLD knows the deeds of WEST PAKISTAN which lead to creation of “BANGLADESH”. JO PARTION TOH BAD MILEYE OH TAY SAMB NAI SAKE, then where were your CHITTAR’S?

2. When Pakistani Army surrendered to INDIA in 1971, then where were your CHITTAR’S?

3. Everyday US violates SOVEREIGNTY of your country as if it is a Childs play and kills scores of your citizens, then where were your CHITTAR’S?

4. US KILLED Pakistani Army PERSONNEL and Pakistan didn’t do jack, then where were your CHITTAR’S?

5. US citizen Kills Pakistanis and Pakistan allows him to leave for US, then where were your CHITTAR’S?

6. When US marines hovered near your army headquarters, killed OBL and took his body safely with them, then where were your CHITTAR’S?

7. Everyday Pakistanis are killing each other in Bomb Lasts and Sectarian Violence, then where were your CHITTAR’S?

8. When Taliban Beheads your Soldier’s, then where were your CHITTAR’S?

KAKE!!! DEDEY KHOL KAY VEKH, TVAHANOO ROZ CHITTAR PENDE PAY NAY.. I am repating your quote: dob kay mar jaoo


MILITANTS were GUNNED DOWN and MILITANCY in Punjab was HAULTED . Currently, Punjab is one of India's most PROSPEROUS and PEACEFUL STATE and SIKHS ARE AMONGST THE WEALTHIEST COMMUNITIES IN INDIA. Sikhs have integrated in India and world has moved to July 2013. Our current prime minister from 9 years is Sikh “Dr. Manmohan Singh”, our chief economy advisor is Sikh “Montek Singh Ahluwalia” and our army chief is Sikh “Bikram Singh”. However, some Pakistanis are still leaving in 1980’s.


Mr. Punjab Expert, forgive me now please but i am tempted to quote a quranic verse that fits the situation the words are "SUMMUN, BUKMUN & UMYUN" i.e. DEAF, DUMB and BLIND. No matter how much you show the mirror and highlight the contradictions you will be responded with an irrelevant and stupid question or an explanation that has nothing to do with what you are saying.

Kaki - I told you already, Your patriotic lectures can't erase the historical facts.

 

[Parul]

Kaki - I told you already, Your patriotic lectures can't erase the historical facts.

OH KAKE!! ENGREGI VICH IK KHAWAT HAI: FOOLISHNESS AND PRIDE GOES HAND IN HAND.

 

[Sugarcane]

OH KAKE!! ENGREGI VICH IK KHAWAT HAI: FOOLISHNESS AND PRIDE GOES HAND IN HAND.

LOL!!! KAKI Below image is enough to tell you which part of Punjab have all five rivers.

And for rest of your lecture - have you debunked my claim that you got bullets when you demanded Punjabi Suba & Punjabi Language? And mind it, it has nothing to do with Khalishtan - Khalistan movement was bound to fail (just like Punjabi Suba movement) as Sikhs are not capable for this

 

[Parul]

LOL!!! KAKI Below image is enough to tell you which part of Punjab have all five rivers.

And for rest of your lecture - have you debunked my claim that you got bullets when you demanded Punjabi Suba & Punjabi Language? And mind it, it has nothing to do with Khalishtan - Khalistan movement was bound to fail (just like Punjabi Suba movement) as Sikhs are not capable for this :

Kake, dede kohl key veh, I've answered all your GIBBERISH,read my post again, I've also answered how incapable you people are. I'm sharing an article which once again proves it.

Further, Read about Bana Singh's Bravery and Siachen War. He is one off the reason that you don't have SIACHEN.

Here is what 70% of student population in Pakistan study

Original Report at CRSS Pakistan

Look What We Are Teaching At Public Schools

Pakistan&#8217;s public schools, which educate some 70 percent of the student population&#8230;.
Prescribed textbooks for
Classes 4 and 5, attended by children aged 8 to 10, are bursting with anti-Hindu and anti-Sikh
themes. By Class 6, when students are typically 10 to 12 years old, anti-Christian, anti-British and anti-European indoctrination begins. Children are taught that the &#8220;Christians and Europeans were not happy to see the Muslims flourishing in life.&#8221;31 Anti-Jewish postulations are introduced in Class 7. In Classes 9-10, when students are typically 13 to 16 years old, the &#8216;importance of Jihad&#8217; is cultivated.
Here are excerpts from textbooks:
Text No. 1
Class: 4
Subject: Social Studies
Pages: 80-81
&#8220;Sikhs destroyed the Muslim towns from the river Sutlej to the river Jamna. A
number of times the Sikhs crossed the river Jamna and looted and destroyed the
settlements of the Muslims. They truned the mosques into their &#8216;Gurdawaras&#8217;,
demolished the shrines of the Muslim saints and burnt religious schools and
libraries.&#8221;
Authors: Dr Miss Ferozah Yasmeen, Dr Azhar Hamid, Mian Muhammad Javed
Akhtar, Nasir-ur-Din Ghaznavi, Muhammad Zubair Hashmi, Bashir-ud-Din Malik
and Qazi Ajjad Ahmed.
Comment (inside backcover): &#8220;The Punjab Texbook Board is your own
organization. It produces quality and cost effective textbooks for you.&#8221;
Text No. 2
Class: 4
Subject: Social Studies
Pages: 83
&#8220;The Muslims of Pakistan provided all the facilities to the Hindus and Sikhs who
left for India. But the Hindus and Sikhs looted the Muslims in India with both
hands and they attacked their caravans, busses and railway trains. Therefore
about 1 million Muslims were martyred on their way to Pakistan.&#8221;
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Authors: Dr Miss Ferozah Yasmeen, Dr Azhar Hamid, Mian Muhammad Javed
Akhtar, Nasir-ur-Din Ghaznavi, Muhammad Zubair Hashmi, Bashir-ud-Din Malik
and Qazi Ajjad Ahmed.
Comment (inside backcover): &#8220;Approved by Federal Ministry of Education,
Government of Pakistan, Islamabad.&#8221;
Text No. 3
Class: 4
Subject: Social Studies
Pages: 84
&#8220;India invaded Lahore on the 6th of September, 1965 without any ultimatum. After
17 days, the Indian authorities laid down arms acknowledging the bravery and
gallantry of the Pak Army and civilians.&#8221;
Authors: Dr Miss Ferozah Yasmeen, Dr Azhar Hamid, Mian Muhammad Javed
Akhtar, Nasir-ur-Din Ghaznavi, Muhammad Zubair Hashmi, Bashir-ud-Din Malik
and Qazi Ajjad Ahmed.
Comment (inside backcover): &#8220;Approved by Federal Ministry of Education,
Government of Pakistan, Islamabad.&#8221;
Text No. 4
Class: 5
Subject: Social Studies
Pages: 123
&#8220;When India was defeated in the war of 1965, she excited the Muslims of East
Pakistan against the Muslims of West Pakistan. For this prupose, India sought
the help of those Hindus who lived in East Pakistan. Ultimately, India attacked
East Pakistan in December 1971 and helped the East Pakistanis to sever their
relations with West Pakistan. Thus East Pakistan was separated from West
Pakistan. The East Pakistanis renamed their country Bangladesh. India
immediately recognized Bangladesh as an independent soverign state.&#8221;
Authors: Dr Ferozah Yasmeen, Mrs Zarina Asharf, Bashir-ud-din Malik, Prof
Mirza Munawwar and Mian Mohammed Javed.
Comment (inside frontcover): &#8220;To achieve a better standard of life, quality
education playes a pivotal role. My Government is trying hard to provide this
base (Ch Pervez Elahi, Chief Minister, Punjab.&#8221;
Text No. 5
Class: 5
Subject: Social Studies
Pages: 123
22
&#8220;India is our traditional enemy and we should always keep ourselves ready to
defend out beloved country from Indian aggression.&#8221;
Authors: Dr Ferozah Yasmeen, Mrs Zarina Asharf, Bashir-ud-din Malik, Prof
Mirza Munawwar and Mian Mohammed Javed.
Comment (inside frontcover): &#8220;As for curriculum development, a team of
professional experts was assem,bled for writing of textbooks, which will prove
helpful in achieving the quality of education (Ch Pervez Elahi, Chief Minister,
Punjab.&#8221;
Text No. 6
Class: 6
Subject: Social Studies
Pages: 100
&#8220;The foundation of Hindu set up was based on injustice and cruelty&#8221;
Scripted & Translated by: Prof. Mian Muhammed Aslam, Prof. Muhammed
Farooq Malik and Qazi Sajjad Ahmed.
Comment (inside frontcover): &#8220;Our curriculum in the past was not in concert with
the requirements of modern times. I am pleased to note that the government has
not only given importance to the sovereignty and security of the country, but also
taken steps for the improvement of the quality of education and curriculum to
bring it in tune with the latest standards (Message from General Pervez
Musharraf).&#8221;
Text No. 7
Class: 6
Subject: Social Studies
Pages: 63
&#8220;The religion has deep impact on the children in Bharat. The Hindu, Muslim, Sikh
and Christian children have their own separate identiy.&#8221;
Scripted & Translated by: Prof. Mian Muhammed Aslam, Prof. Muhammed
Farooq Malik and Qazi Sajjad Ahmed.
Comment (insdie frontcover): &#8220;It is a historical fact that the Muslims ruled the
world for hundreds of years on the basis of the knowledge acquired by their
intellectuals, philosophers and scientitsts (Message from General Pervez
Musharraf).&#8221;
Text No. 8
Class: 6
Subject: Social Studies
Pages: 54-55
&#8220;The Hindus claim Harijans as their integrated part but deal with them in the
same manner as they behave with Muslims and other communities.&#8221;
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Scripted & Translated by: Prof. Mian Muhammed Aslam, Prof. Muhammed
Farooq Malik and Qazi Sajjad Ahmed.
Comment: &#8220;In the light of Islamic teachins and to meet the challenges of lifek, it
is incumbent upon all Pakistanis to devote their energies for acquiring knowledge
with special emphasis on computer and IT education ((Message from General
Pervez Musharraf).&#8221;
Text No. 9
Class: 6
Subject: Social Studies
Pages: 95
&#8220;Conquest of Debul: A furious battle was fought between the two forces&#8230;..The
Muslims changed the slogan of Allah-o-Akbar and Catapult was operated and
started throwing heavy stones&#8230;&#8230;.The Hindus lost all hopes. The enemy was
defeated and the fort was conquered.&#8221;
Scripted & Translated by: Prof. Mian Muhammed Aslam, Prof. Muhammed
Farooq Malik and Qazi Sajjad Ahmed.
Text No. 10
Class: 6
Subject: Social Studies
Pages: 95
&#8220;The Hindus began to embrace Islam in great nuimber due to the good and kind
treatment of Mulims.&#8221;
Scripted & Translated by: Prof. Mian Muhammed Aslam, Prof. Muhammed
Farooq Malik and Qazi Sajjad Ahmed.
Text No. 11
Class: 6
Subject: Social Studies
Pages: 96
&#8220;An Arab soldier cut the neck of Raja Dahir with sword who was riding an
elephant in a Howdaha. The sun of life of Raja Dahir set forever from the
universe on 10th of Ramdan 93 H.&#8221;
Scripted & Translated by: Prof. Mian Muhammed Aslam, Prof. Muhammed
Farooq Malik and Qazi Sajjad Ahmed.
Text No. 12
Class: 6
Subject: Social Studies
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Pages: 99
&#8220;Before the Arab conquest the people were fed up with the teachings of
Buddhists and Hindus. The main cause was the benign treatment of Muslims
with the Hindus. Due to this attitude Hindus began to love Muslims and they
became nearer and nearer to the Muslims.&#8221;
Scripted & Translated by: Prof. Mian Muhammed Aslam, Prof. Muhammed
Farooq Malik and Qazi Sajjad Ahmed.
Text No. 13
Class: 6
Subject: Social Studies
Pages: 99
&#8220;The Biritish sent rare books from these libraries to England. Thus the British
ruined the Muslim schools. They did not want that Islam should spread.&#8221;
Scripted & Translated by: Prof. Mian Muhammed Aslam, Prof. Muhammed
Farooq Malik and Qazi Sajjad Ahmed.
Text No. 14
Class: 6
Subject: Social Studies
Pages: 121
&#8220;Islam preached equality, brotherhood, and fraternity and respect for all people.
The caste system of the Hindus had made life of common man as miserable and
as such they were fed up with this system.&#8221;
Scripted & Translated by: Prof. Mian Muhammed Aslam, Prof. Muhammed
Farooq Malik and Qazi Sajjad Ahmed.
Text No. 15
Class: 6
Subject: Social Studies
Pages: 123
&#8220;The British changed the curriculum of Madrasas and they had their full say in
Education also they could change the syllabi according to their minds. The
teaching of Hadith and Fiqa was stopped all together. The British freely
distributed the literature of Christianity.&#8221;
Scripted & Translated by: Prof. Mian Muhammed Aslam, Prof. Muhammed
Farooq Malik and Qazi Sajjad Ahmed.
Text No. 16
Class: 7
Subject: Social Studies
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Pages: 12
&#8220;Before Islam, people lived in untold misery all over the world.&#8221;
Writen by: Prof Dr M.H. Bokhari and Syed Hassan Tahir.
Text No. 17
Class: 7
Subject: Social Studies
Pages: 13
&#8220;Some Jewish tribes also lived in Arabia. They lent money to workers and
peasants on high rates of interest and usurped their earnings. They held the
whole society in their tight grip because of the ever increasing compound
interest.&#8221;
Writen by: Prof Dr M.H. Bokhari and Syed Hassan Tahir.
Text No. 18
Class: 7
Subject: Social Studies
Pages: 25
&#8220;History has no parallel to the extremely kind treatment of the Christians by the
Muslims. Still the Christian kingdoms of Europe were constantly trying to gain
control of Jerusalem. This was the cause of the crusades.&#8221;
Writen by: Prof Dr M.H. Bokhari and Syed Hassan Tahir.
Text No. 19
Class: 7
Subject: Social Studies
Pages: 13
&#8220;All the Christian countries united against the Muslims and sent large armies to
attack the holy city of Jerusalem. These wars are called crusades because the
Pope, a head of the Christians, called a council of war. In this meeting he
declared that Jesus Christ sanctioned war against Muslims.&#8221;
Writen by: Prof Dr M.H. Bokhari and Syed Hassan Tahir.
Text No. 20
Class: 7
Subject: Social Studies
Pages: 28
26
&#8220;During the Crusades, the Christians came in contact with the Muslims and
learnt that the Muslim culture was far superior to their lown.&#8221;
Writen by: Prof Dr M.H. Bokhari and Syed Hassan Tahir.
Text No. 21
Class: 7
Subject: Social Studies
Pages: 43
&#8220;European nations have been working during the past three centuries, through
conspiracies on naked aggression to subjugate the countries of the Muslim
world.&#8221;
Writen by: Prof Dr M.H. Bokhari and Syed Hassan Tahir.
Text No. 22
Class: 9-10
Subject: Pakistan Studies
Pages: 3
&#8220;The economic system of West was creating unsolvable problems and had failed
to do justice with the people.&#8221;
Authors: Muhammad Hussain Ch, Ali Iqtadar Mirza, Sheikh Anees, Rai Faiz
Ahmad Kharal, Syed Abbas Haidar and Dr Qais.
Comment: This text appears in the textbook being used in the current academic
year and was not part of the previous textbook.
Text No. 23
Class: 9-10
Subject: Pakistan Studies
Pages: 6
&#8220;Islamic society was devoid of every kind of evil&#8230;.&#8221;
Authors: Muhammad Hussain Ch, Ali Iqtadar Mirza, Sheikh anees, Cai Faiz
Ahmad Kharal, Syed abbas Haidar and Dr Qais.
Comment: This text appears in the textbook being used in the current academic
year and was not part of the previous textbook.
Text No. 24
27
Class: 9-10
Subject: Pakistan Studies
Pages: 7
&#8220;One of the reasons of the downfall of the Muslims in the Sub-continent was the
lack of the spirit of Jihad.&#8221;
Text No. 25
Class: 9-10
Subject: Pakistan Studies
Pages: 10
&#8220;In Islam Jihad is very important&#8230;..The person who offers his life never
dies&#8230;..All the prayers nurture one&#8217;s passion for Jihad.&#8221;
Text No. 26
Class: 9-10
Subject: Pakistan Studies
Pages: 17
&#8220;Shah Wali Ullah (RA) was a mujadid of the 18th century&#8230;.He knew that the
Sikhs, Marhattas were the enemies of Muslims.&#8221;
Text No. 27
Class: 9-10
Subject: Pakistan Studies
Pages: 20
&#8220;&#8230;&#8230;according to Islamic point of view there were only two nations on eath, one
the Muslims and the other the non-Muslim.&#8221;
Text No. 28
Class: 9-10
Subject: Pakistan Studies
Pages: 53
&#8220;Education sector in East Pakistan was totally under the control of Hindus.
Under the guidance of India they fully poisoned the minds of Bangalis against
Pakistan and aroused their sentiments.&#8221;
Text No. 29
Class: 12
Subject: Pakistan Studies
Pages: 4
28
&#8220;Great importance is given to Jihad (struggle) in Islam&#8230;&#8230;.And always keep one
self ready to sacrifice one&#8217;s life and property is jihad&#8230;..The basic purpose of all
submissions and jihad is to keep oneself follower of the good will of Allah
Almighty.&#8221;
Authors: Muhammad Farooq Malik, Rai Faiz Ahmad Kharal, Muhammad
Hussain Ch., Dr Sultan Khan and Khadim Ali Khan.