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'Industry' coined from Indus, says VHP's Swami Vigyananand

Is it not. The underlying reasons for increased communal tensions which seem to be increasing that result in such absurd claims. Linking everything to religion when there is no role of religion here. Swami should take a break and solve bigger problems like muslims being refused properties in multi cultural cities like Mumbai.

South Asian societies have a habit to regress towards orthodoxy whenever they feel threatened.
Do you always swallow what Indian presstitude dish out ?

Why don't you google and find out the kind of properties which are owned by Muslim Bollywood Artists in Mumbai itself :cuckoo:
 
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I'm just so sick of you leftists constantly mocking the majority while maintaining complete silence whenever some 'minority' nutjobs go crazy.

btw, I'm a 100% secular, eat beef sometimes (certainly don't have a holy problem with those who do)/oppose the ban, completely irreligious (legalize the gays, don't ever stifle free speech or ban movies and gag the media etc) fully liberal guy, and I support the BJP.

a uniform civil code, we have to get there, or all the mumbo jumbo will destroy us.

we should all try and keep our heads a little bit above the sewage while we navigate these filthy waters, right ?
Don't your lot maintain silence and fail to condemn statements and actions of those Sanghi loons? Does that mean that the saner among you support them? If I go by your statement, you do support them.

Can you tell what secular means in your terminology? And please also let me know what your thoughts are about the Sadhvis and Maharajas of BJP?

Well even I want uniform civil code but that does not imply I would want to support the Sanghi version of Uniform Civil Code..
 
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I am a Lucknowi Pakistani with 3/5th relatives still residing in parts India considers its own. I will continue to comment on these matters as they affect us directly. Both parents were born and raised in Lucknow. So don't tell me what "my business" is.

Well I worry for my relatives who haven't escaped from those regions and still live there
Did you ever had a chance to ask them what is preventing them to leave ?

Or Do they tell you that you and your parents made a wrong choice ?

Then this article is a lie to smear the name of great Islam-respecting country India?
I knew you will quote our famous presstitude to prove your point, as you seems to be too lazy to google the properties owned by Muslim Artists in Mumbai
 
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Then what about the cow slaughter ban? Does it not take the right of muslims to eat what is provided to them and the freedom for Hindus to practice their faith in the way they like? What about a similar law board for Sikhs and Hindus despite sikhs wanting separate boards for marriage divorce etc.

Truth is religion has crept into India too. You may deny it but India was highjacked the day Gandhi was killed by an RSS man.
was I not clear enough on my feelings on the meat ban ?

I like my erachi fry and steak, banning food is about the most stupid thing man can do.

"crept" ? what do you think we were divided on, its always been there, 50 years of minority appeasement 'secularism' is what is responsible for this growth of Hindu Nationalism you see in India now. The world need not worry, though, it wont spill an inch outside our borders, and they wont fly airliners into buildings, relax.

and please don't worry about the Sikhs, they're fine.

He won because of his rabid anti-muslimness.
maybe he did, again, how is this any of your concern ? you are a Pakistani, should be more concerned with balochistan, sindhu desh, pukntoonistan and the 100s of millions of wahhabi influenced general population that keep blowing themselves up.

You are like any typical Indian I must say. Part of the problem, not the solution.
good thing the "typical Pakistani" is not in charge of fixing the "problem"

if you ask me, "jihad" ideology is the problem

Well I worry for my relatives who haven't escaped from those regions and still live there. Riots or rather anti muslim genocide is easy to spark up. Hindutvas need an excuse, a bombing they probably themselves did, or Ayodha, Babri whatever suits them.
too bad, looks like your relatives are destined to be lynched by my angry idolator mobs, you should say a little illa ka lullah rajoooooun while you can.
 
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Did you ever had a chance to ask them what is preventing them to leave ?

Or Do they tell you that you and your parents made a wrong choice ?


Some of them, I will not lie feel that their staying in Lucknow was a better option and in my eyes their choice was made so they should make the fullest out of what they can in Lucknow. But many acknowledge that there was a need for Pakistan to be formed.

Lets note that a lot of muslims did not move to Karachi or Lahore because the travel was too difficult. 90%+ of UP muslims when contacted in 46 said they had voted for Jinnah's Muslim League. Originally almost all muslims were supporting the Muslim League. The change of opinion among younger muslims that Pakistan's formation was a mistake came later as Indian influence rose. I can bet you that you can ask any Muslim here. He will say his grandfather or father voted for the Muslim league in 45-46.

My nana was a very famous an ardent supporter of AIML and stayed on in Lucknow. Not all people who supported Pakistan moved as I said. And my grandparents and parents were no exception. If you have time look up our Firangi Mehal house which was Jinnah's ardent supporter in what India turned into UP.

But as you yourself said Muslims are not unwinnable. Some of my relatives are fully Indianized. Can't blame them because they are in your sphere of influence-your media, your culture, your ideology has been imposed on them so long they have become a part of it. Muslims can be won over but Modi won't ever manage to do it. They need an inclusive uniting figure rather than a communal one. That being said extra efforts are needed to merge the muslims into the national fabric.

I knew you will quote our famous presstitude to prove your point, as you seems to be too lazy to google the properties owned by Muslim Artists in Mumbai

These same muslim "artists" say they have problems finding places to stay in Mumbai. These are superstars. The question is what would it be like for the common man when it is so hard for them. Accepting a problem can stop decades of pain. Had Pakistanis listened when supporting mullahs in 80's in Afghanistan it could have saved a mess. I hope you do not learn that the hard way.

was I not clear enough on my feelings on the meat ban ?

I like my erachi fry and steak, banning food is about the most stupid thing man can do.

Glad you acknowledge with the cow ban how India has shot secularism in the foot. It is against the secular fabric of the country.
"crept" ? what do you think we were divided on, its always been there, 50 years of minority appeasement 'secularism' is what is responsible for this growth of Hindu Nationalism you see in India now. The world need not worry, though, it wont spill an inch outside our borders, and they wont fly airliners into buildings, relax.

You call it minority appeasement but much more is required if you want to win the muslims over. The problem is most of you look at us muslims as a liability and as something pulling the country back.

and please don't worry about the Sikhs, they're fine.

They have demanded a separate law board though. Why hasn't this been given. Why are they lumped as Hindus?


maybe he did, again, how is this any of your concern ? you are a Pakistani, should be more concerned with balochistan, sindhu desh, pukntoonistan and the 100s of millions of wahhabi influenced general population that keep blowing themselves up.

Lets not forget that 93000 have been killed in Kashmir since 89. Those killed in Pakistan are 60000+. Stability isn't a sure thing. It can come and go anywhere. As showstopper said Hindus have as much capability and incentive to blow themselves up as fanatical muslims. Sadhvi Pragya proved it, Babu Bajrangi proved it.


good thing the "typical Pakistani" is not in charge of fixing the "problem"

if you ask me, "jihad" ideology is the problem

Akhand Bharat is as much a problem as jihad.


too bad, looks like your relatives are destined to be lynched by my angry idolator mobs, you should say a little illa ka lullah rajoooooun while you can.

That will cause a rebellion. Right now all you are getting is tension due to the arrest of muslims on all kinds of weird charges. Outright killing on the streets will force us to rebel. The only reason muslims migrated and did not pull out their weapons was who would they fight. The common peaceful Hindus who weren't all bad were among the Hindutvas. But if all Hindus en masse turn on them then we muslims will not only fight but look towards Pakistan as an ally. Double trouble and reason for you to listen to muslims views at least if not consider them.
 
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Some of my relatives are fully Indianized. Can't blame them because they are in your sphere of influence-your media, your culture, your ideology has been imposed on them so long they have become a part of it.
Which according to you, is our so called " Ideology " that has been imposed on Indian Muslims who have chosen to stay in India at the time of Partition ?

Have they become a Bad OR Better Muslim under "Our" ideology ?

These same muslim "artists" say they have problems finding places to stay in Mumbai. These are superstars. The question is what would it be like for the common man when it is so hard for them.
Relax, Modern Education will change the thinking of few Orthodox people still roaming around in our streets.

If the ancient Indian concept of the "World is one Family" gathers momentum then these issues will resolve in due course.
 
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little illa ka lullah rajoooooun while you can.
illa ka Lullah?? Hmm so much hate coming from a self proclaimed beef eating "secular" Sanghi...
May be you are some one like him...
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Kerala BJP leader Surendran enjoying a Beef feast
 
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Who is Swami Vigyanand?

If opinions of hitherto unknown people are a matter of discussion, can we discuss some fatwas of Dar-ul-ulm? Or others?
 
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Did you ever had a chance to ask them what is preventing them to leave ?

Or Do they tell you that you and your parents made a wrong choice ?


I knew you will quote our famous presstitude to prove your point, as you seems to be too lazy to google the properties owned by Muslim Artists in Mumbai


Sorry, what people belonging to the highest earnings brackets can and cannot do cannot be equated to what ordinary people have to go through. Depending on where you live, I will try to put you in touch with friends who have faced this problem in your city. Check going with them when they go house-hunting and find out the truth for yourself.
 
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Who is Swami Vigyanand?

If opinions of hitherto unknown people are a matter of discussion, can we discuss some fatwas of Dar-ul-ulm? Or others?
Aajkal Swamys' ki hawa chal rahi hai toh tujhe kyun takleef horahi hai you anti-national:angry:

Kitne paise liye tune Babu Bajrangi se Jihadi John banne?;)
 
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yeah sure.. the river might be industrious...
 
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If the ancient Indian concept of the "World is one Family" gathers momentum then these issues will resolve in due course.
That is not entirely true. The 'Vasudaiva Kutumbkam' is not without conditions. For a people who respect you - that is valid. Otherwise not. Its clear in the Hitopadesha. In fact there is a story that states that unconditionally following the tenet is suicide.
 
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Which according to you, is our so called " Ideology " that has been imposed on Indian Muslims who have chosen to stay in India at the time of Partition ?

Have they become a Bad OR Better Muslim under "Our" ideology ?


Relax, Modern Education will change the thinking of few Orthodox people still roaming around in our streets.

If the ancient Indian concept of the "World is one Family" gathers momentum then these issues will resolve in due course.
No ideology is wrong or evil. It is about finding the right fit for society. It will be beneficial for the entire region if India can develop a secular, liberal system that equally benefits all members, Muslim Christian, Sikh Hindu or whatever.

Muslims do not become good or bad muslims by adopting an ideology. They do by their actions at least according to religious texts. But religion-how much or how little is followed should not be a benchmark to decide how a society is run.

illa ka Lullah?? Hmm so much hate coming from a self proclaimed beef eating "secular" Sanghi...
May be you are some one like him...
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Kerala BJP leader Surendran enjoying a Beef feast
I think those words crossed the line pretty much. Let him wallow in his "Hindu victim" theme. Its rise is making it harder for muslims though.
 
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Which according to you, is our so called " Ideology " that has been imposed on Indian Muslims who have chosen to stay in India at the time of Partition ?

Have they become a Bad OR Better Muslim under "Our" ideology ?

Well, from according to your Right-wing PDF Indian compatriots, they're definitely worse.
I mean, not one day goes on this forum without seeing another Indian hear whining and moaning about how Muslims vote as a block in this state, feel allegiance to Pakistan, are too radicalized, are potential traitors to the country, should be sorted out by Modi, RSS, etc.
Frankly, when I see you guys talk about how Muslims are apparently better and more tolerant then Pakistanis, I know you're talking BS. You spend half the day whining about them on this forum, and the other half praising them? WTF? :crazy:
 
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