Indonesia orders 42 Rafale jets from France

[luciferdd]

Why not more KFX21 but rafale?Do Indonisia need them badly?

 

[Indos]

Why not more KFX21 but rafale?Do Indonisia need them badly?

Yup, for our previous F 5 squadron ( 12 F 5 planes have been grounded). KF21 is a long term program, 2026 is the expected completion of development of first block, but first block is just for air superiority role, to have multi role capability, the development must be extended until 2028. And I believe Indonesia only wants to buy the multirole variant (block 2 variant) and very possible block 3 if the program is successful.

So it still long time to acquire KF21/IFX planes while the situation Today we have to fil our F 5 squadron as soon as possible with newer planes, currently other squadron borrow 3 SU 30 for that F5 squadron.

The deal is also quite extensive that involve submarine building program (Naval Group) and ammunition production in Indonesia (Nexter), also some R&D program as well.

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Need to remain that the order is just for 6 planes, I believe the number will not likely exceed 16 if subsequent order is executed,

Ministry of Defense signs purchase contract for six Dassault Rafale aircraft​

Thursday, 10 February 2022 14:01 WIB

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[Indos]

 

[Indos]

Why not more KFX21 but rafale?Do Indonisia need them badly?

More addition, KF21 and Rafale use the same missiles for AA engagement ( Meteor and IRST). This acquisition IMO is also good so that we can assure there will likely be no obstacle to acquire those missiles where Meteor comes from France. We have good relation as well with Germany.

This can also pave the way to allow us order Aster missile for our Naval program without the need to buy France Naval platform ( vessel )

 

[MultaniGuy]

PARIS, Feb 10 (Reuters) - Indonesia will order 42 Rafale fighter jets, French Defence Minister Florence Parly, who is currently on a trip to the Asian country, confirmed on Thursday.

"It's official: Indonesia orders 42 Rafales", she said in a Tweet, saying the order would make Indonesia the second state in the region to rely on the jet produced by Dassault Aviation (AM.PA).

Dassault Aviation said the deal marked the start of a long-term partnership and would allow it to rapidly step up its presence in Indonesia.

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The deal comes as Paris, which views itself as a global maritime power, seeks to expand its geopolitical ties in the Indo-Pacific to react to the creation of a new strategic alliance between the U.S., Britain and Australia.

"Indonesia also commits to cooperation with our industry in the sector of submarines," added Parly, referring to an area deemed as particularly sensitive after Australia last year cancelled a multi-billion submarine deal with Paris, causing a major diplomatic rift. read more

"Our strategic partnership will benefit from the deepening of our defence relations," added Parly, commenting on the deal with Indonesia.

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Reporting by Tassilo Hummel; Editing by Sudip Kar-Gupta

France seals $8.1 billion deal with Indonesia to sell 42 Rafale jets

Indonesia will order 42 Rafale fighter jets in a $8.1 billion deal, France's defence ministry said on Thursday, as part of a series of agreements also including submarine development and ammunition, making Jakarta the biggest French arms client in the region.

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L’Indonésie s’équipe du Rafale - Press kits de Dassault Aviation

En présence de la ministre française des Armées, Florence Parly, et du ministre indonésien de la Défense, Prabowo Subianto, le Président-Directeur général de Dassault Aviation, Eric Trappier, et l'Air Vice Marshal Yusuf Jauhari, Chef de l'agence d'acquisition du ministère indonésien de la...

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@Indos

Congratulations Indonesian brothers.

Congratulations, if true.

But the West can never be trusted.

Pakistan learned the hard way about this.

 

[Farhan Bohra]

Yup, for our previous F 5 squadron ( 12 F 5 planes have been grounded). KF21 is a long term program, 2026 is the expected completion of development of first block, but first block is just for air superiority role, to have multi role capability, the development must be extended until 2028. And I believe Indonesia only wants to buy the multirole variant (block 2 variant) and very possible block 3 if the program is successful.

So it still long time to acquire KF21/IFX planes while the situation Today we have to fil our F 5 squadron as soon as possible with newer planes, currently other squadron borrow 3 SU 30 for that F5 squadron.

The deal is also quite extensive that involve submarine building program (Naval Group) and ammunition production in Indonesia (Nexter), also some R&D program as well.

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Need to remain that the order is just for 6 planes, I believe the number will not likely exceed 16 if subsequent order is executed,

Ministry of Defense signs purchase contract for six Dassault Rafale aircraft​

Thursday, 10 February 2022 14:01 WIB

Kemhan teken kontrak pembelian enam Pesawat Dassault Rafale

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This is totally untrue, I would trust the Dassault press release more.

In the presence of the French Minister of the Armed Forces, Florence Parly, and the Indonesian Minister of Defence, Prabowo Subianto, the Chairman and CEO of Dassault Aviation, Eric Trappier, and the Air Vice Marshal Yusuf Jauhari, Head of Defence Facilities Agency of the Indonesian Ministry of Defence, signed the contract for the acquisition by Indonesia of 42 latest-generation Rafale aircraft, at a ceremony held today in Jakarta.

Indonesia purchases the Rafale - Press kits

In the presence of the French Minister of the Armed Forces and the Indonesian Minister of Defence, the Chairman and CEO of Dassault Aviation, Eric Trappier, and the Air Vice Marshal Yusuf Jauhari, Head of Defence Facilities Agency of the Indonesian Ministry of Defence, signed the contract for...

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Also, it means that Indonesia said bye-bye to KFX. Otherwise, Operating two 4.5 gen MRCA be a logistical nightmare.

 

[Indos]

This is totally untrue, I would trust the Dassault press release more.

Indonesia purchases the Rafale - Press kits

In the presence of the French Minister of the Armed Forces and the Indonesian Minister of Defence, the Chairman and CEO of Dassault Aviation, Eric Trappier, and the Air Vice Marshal Yusuf Jauhari, Head of Defence Facilities Agency of the Indonesian Ministry of Defence, signed the contract for...

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Also, it means that Indonesia said bye-bye to KFX. Otherwise, Operating two 4.5 gen MRCA be a logistical nightmare.

It is normal for Dassault to say that MOU as contract, as it can elevate their stock price, just some hours Dassault stock price rises to 4 % after this announcement.

Same like FREEM acquisition which is announced by Fincanteri, it is actually LOI not an effective contract. Defense Minister is not President by the way, and his action has boundaries.

Here the direct word of Indonesian Defense Minister, 6 planes order for effective contract while the rest is still planning and it look like MOU/LOI level.

More if you are not sure, these are another Indonesia respected Media. Ask Malaysian member here to translate @Nan Yang

 

[Binod]

How come it become a liability ?, explain.....

It's more like technical information can be shared with the rivals of USA.

 

[Indos]

The deal is also related to another Indonesia defense company, Pindad, who will produce the Rafale ammunition, 105 mm and 120 mm for tank ammunition ( cooperation with Nexter), and also it is related to submarine building cooperation between Naval Group and PT PAL Indonesia, and also cooperation between Thales and Indonesian electronic company, PT LEN Industry for Military satellite ( which likely be build by Airbus-another France company)

 

[monitor]

False

42 is just MOU, while effective contract is just 6 planes

You can see comment by Prabowo himself, he needs to convince our Planning Minister and Finance Minister for that additional 42 planes.

I have stated many times here that MRCA contract cannot exceed 1.1 billion USD for 2020-2024 period, and it is proven that effective contract is only for 6 planes


Source coming from Prabowo and Parly statement, not interpretation of the media. Stress the world Parly said " Will Order" not Ordered

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ANTARA is Government News Agency

Ministry of Defense signs a contract to purchase six Dassault Rafale aircraft​

Thursday, 10 February 2022 14:01 WIB

Kemhan teken kontrak pembelian enam Pesawat Dassault Rafale

Kementerian Pertahanan (Kemhan) menandatangani kontrak kerja sama pembelian enam pesawat tempur generasi 4,5, Dassault Rafale, buatan ...

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Not just Rafale but French-Indonesian deal has following aspects as well. ~ 2x Scorpene Class Submarines. ~ MRO facility for Rafale. ~ Military Satellite. ~ Local Munitions production. ~ Aircrew training & 2x full mission simulators.

 

[Indos]

It's more like technical information can be shared with the rivals of USA.

Actually US Foreign Department has agreed to sell F 15 EX to Indonesia, it is another breaking news, but of course need Congress approval.

Indonesia and USA has common interest now in SCS, we are strategic partner already.

 

[TheSolution]

Congratulations, if true.

But the West can never be trusted.

Pakistan learned the hard way about this.

No one can be trusted

Not even who you may be thinking we can

 

[Indos]

I have stated many times here that MRCA contract cannot exceed 1.1 billion USD for 2020-2024 period, and it is proven that effective contract is only for 6 planes

This deal shows what I have stated many times since about beginning of 2021 is true. We dont know the actual deal for 6 Rafale planes, some say 600 million USD while other said 1.1 billion USD (Alman Helvast/ former Jane Defense journalist), but the figure cannot exceed that 1.1 billion USD.

Prabowo has inserted proposal about Rafale and Freem acquisition to both Bapenas and SMI, but so far those people havent given the green light yet. In April the situation will be clearer.

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This my explanation to Indonesian member in Defense Hub

Have you seen the Air Force plan meeting video in early 2021 ? I have posted the video some months ago here.

The truth is Air Force only has 8 billion USD foreign loan approval, and MRCA is only for 1.6 billion USD foreign loan (approved by Bapenas), later SMI slash it into 1.1 billion USD. That is for entire 2020-2024 period.

Total foreign loan for defense acquisition program is around 18 billion USD for 2020-2024 period which include all branches-approved by Bappenas but still has the chance to be slashed by Finance Minister. The program that has already got approval by SMI is just 5.8 billion USD foreign loan funded so far and according to AH the RMP given by SMI in 2022 budget is only able to cover some portion of that 5.8 billion USD foreign loan approval programs.

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SU 35 budget being used for this order is just statement made by France media. Actually I dont know whether Finance Minister has allocated budget for Su 35 acquisition ? If there is program that is not absorbed within one fiscal year, it can be used for the next year by Defense Minister that will be included in next year defense budget. There is definition like SAL ( sisa anggaran lebih) and there is flexibility in using it.

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Bappenas; Planning Minister
SMI: Sri Mulyani Indrawati ( Indonesia Finance Minister )

 

[shayyman]

2016: 36 Rafale for 8.8 billion USD (India)
2021: 42 Rafale for 8.1 Billion USD (Indonesia)

It's alright. Who's doing the maths.

 

[applesauce]

2016: 36 Rafale for 8.8 billion USD (India)
2021: 42 Rafale for 8.1 Billion USD (Indonesia)

It's alright. Who's doing the maths.

indians of course. they could have gotten the rafale for half price and some tot. instead they got greedy and wanted to put production and full tot in india, demanding france be responsible for planes made in india while giving them no control over indian quality.

the french said no. as any sane manufacturer would.

Then later on india is forced to panic buy planes after getting stuffed by pakistan and later china. so now they got the rafale with zero tot and much more expensive than the f-35. but i guess they still got their imagination where every new plane they get is the greatest invention since the wheel regardless of what happens in real life.