Indonesia Defence Forum

[HellFireIndo]

Congrate to Indonesia to end the "flip-flop" for many years ... Finally Indonesia made a "right" decision to "shutdown" its SU-35 and KFX/IFX projects ....

KFX/IFX is still going you retard

 

[Raduga]

KFX/IFX is still going you retard

no need to respond for such comment , dont feed the troll .

 

[Indos]

Congrate to Indonesia to end the "flip-flop" for many years ... Finally Indonesia made a "right" decision to "shutdown" its SU-35 and KFX/IFX projects ...May be ...further action to "freeze" all of your new "unrealistic" acquisition of "alutsista" should be seriously considered to secure your fiscal which deteriorated significantly since 2019 ....

Look like you read Alman Helvas twitter saying all Indonesian engineers have come back. Look dude. Almost all engineers working in KAI are designers and KFX/IFX design work has been nearly completed last year. So if he said that all Indonesian engineers have already backed home this year so it may suggest that all detail design work has been completed.

The reason of why other engineers that come from production division is not in KAI working for the prototype production may come from the fact that Indonesia have banned traveling into and from South Korea due to coronavirus outbreak at that nation.

What ever the faith of KFX/IFX may be, Indonesian have already got valuable experience in designing stealth fighter since 2010. We may start our own Stealth fighter jet program or Stealth UAV in the near future based on that experience.

Talking about unrealistic acquisition program, they are all based on interest and plan from Air Force. The final words will be decided by defense ministry office.

 

[UMNOPutra]

Look like you read Alman Helvas twitter saying all Indonesian engineers have come back. Look dude. Almost all engineers working in KAI are designers and KFX/IFX design work has been nearly completed last year. So if he said that all Indonesian engineers have already backed home this year so it may suggest that all detail design work has been completed.

The reason of why other engineers that come from production division is not in KAI working for the prototype production may come from the fact that Indonesia have banned traveling into and from South Korea due to coronavirus outbreak at that nation.

What ever the faith of KFX/IFX may be, Indonesian have already got valuable experience in designing stealth fighter since 2010. We may start our own Stealth fighter jet program or Stealth UAV in the near future based on that experience.

Talking about unrealistic acquisition program, they are all based on interest and plan from Air Force. The final words will be decided by defense ministry office.

Yup ... There is still a will and wish list .. But Money can't lie ..

 

[HellFireIndo]

@UMNOPutra mental retardation is beyond doubt indeed

 

[Indos]

Yup ... There is still a will and wish list .. But Money can't lie ..

LOL dude, you comes here with the wrong data. Despite slower economic growth that Indonesia achieved last year, we still manage to post slightly higher state revenue compared to 2018 figure. You can look on the news link that I will put below this post.

Actually almost all countries experience slower growth at 2019 and it is due to trade war in which your country get much impact than Indonesia. We only suffer around 0.2 percent slower growth while you have been suffering since 2018 where you only posted 4.7 percent growth at that year, a huge decrease from 5.7 percent you have in 2017. Your 2019 growth is also not much different with 4.6 percent while Indonesia can still achieve 5 %. Your last year state deficit is also 3.4 percent from GDP while Indonesia only has deficit of 2.2 percent GDP. Your debt to GDP ratio is also much worst then Indonesia.

Talking about KFX/IFX program, you should now that the real cause of renegotiation is actually not about money. 2 billion dollar that will be spent for the program will be shared for 8 years span and we have paid some of them. Not a big deal for our state budget that give around 10 billion dollar only for our 2020 defense budget. Our currency is also getting stronger since December 2019 due to much better trade balance that we posted last year. The renegotiation was started in the middle of 2018 where our trade deficit in that year break the record.

It is government political will that become a problem. We should wait for another 6 months to see what will happen with the program. Hopefully the program will still continue because it is an important step to increase our independency in fighter jet acquisition. We, of course, will still need to import engine and avionics even though we decided to continue the program, but there will be chance we will develop other critical component in the future if we can still keep our economy growth around 5-6 percent for the next 14 years and reach 3 trillion dollar GDP in 2034 inshaAllah as projected by CEBR.

Or maybe defense ministry office will cancel SU 35 acquisition that cost us around 1.2 billion dollar and use the money for KFX/IFX program.

State revenue 2019
https://jakartaglobe.id/business/indonesia-posts-25b-state-budget-deficit-in-2019

State revenue 2018
https://theinsiderstories.com/finmin-for-the-first-time-indonesias-revenues-exceed-target/

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

LOL dude, you comes here with the wrong data. Despite slower economic growth that Indonesia achieved last year, we still manage to post slightly higher state revenue compared to 2018 figure. You can look on the news link that I will put below this post.

Actually almost all countries experience slower growth at 2019 and it is due to trade war in which your country get much impact than Indonesia. We only suffer around 0.2 percent slower growth while you have been suffering since 2018 where you only posted 4.7 percent growth at that year, a huge decrease from 5.7 percent you have in 2017. Your 2019 growth is also not much different with 4.6 percent while Indonesia can still achieve 5 %. Your last year state deficit is also 3.4 percent from GDP while Indonesia only has deficit of 2.2 percent GDP. Your debt to GDP ratio is also much worst then Indonesia.

Talking about KFX/IFX program, you should now that the real cause of renegotiation is actually not about money. 2 billion dollar that will be spent for the program will be shared for 8 years span and we have paid some of them. Not a big deal for our state budget that give around 10 billion dollar only for our 2020 defense budget. Our currency is also getting stronger since December 2019 due to much better trade balance that we posted last year. The renegotiation was started in the middle of 2018 where our trade deficit in that year break the record.

It is government political will that become a problem. We should wait for another 6 months to see what will happen with the program. Hopefully the program will still continue because it is an important step to increase our independency in fighter jet acquisition. We, of course, will still need to import engine and avionics even though we decided to continue the program, but there will be chance we will develop other critical component in the future if we can still keep our economy growth around 5-6 percent for the next 14 years and reach 3 trillion dollar GDP in 2034 inshaAllah as projected by CEBR.

Or maybe defense ministry office will cancel SU 35 acquisition that cost us around 1.2 billion dollar and use the money for KFX/IFX program.

State revenue 2019
https://jakartaglobe.id/business/indonesia-posts-25b-state-budget-deficit-in-2019

State revenue 2018
https://theinsiderstories.com/finmin-for-the-first-time-indonesias-revenues-exceed-target/

As I keep telling people he's not really malaysian. The name is a dead give away. He's most likely chinese.

 

[trishna_amṛta]

after seeing the environment they were placed in , is it better to actually get some Mule support system like donkey or horse to ease up the soldier .

There is already Sandalwood Pony (Sumbawa Pony) that is best suited for our environment

KFX/IFX is still going you retard

 

[Nike]

There is already Sandalwood Pony (Sumbawa Pony) that is best suited for our environment

Sandalwood pony, Sumbawa pony and Java Pony all had resemble appearances with Mongolian pony stock and some had crossbred with Arabian horses. There is speculation they are come from China, originally leftover from Kublai Khan punitive mission to Java, and Majapahit soon looking at their benefit and impact upon on warfare in Nusantara islands, and soon imported them in large number and use them to conquer islands and Kingdoms around Nusantara, including Batak, Gayo, Sumba, Sumbawa, Lombok, Bali, Timor.

 

[182]

Drone MALE Elang Hitam bakal uji terbang perdana Oktober 2020
Jumat, 13 Maret 2020 18:58 WIB

BPPT bersama Konsorsium PUNA MALE Kombatan, siap melakukan akselerasi
Bandung (ANTARA) - Direktur Teknologi dan Pengembangan PT Dirgantara Indonesia Gita Amperiawan mengatakan pesawat udara nir awak (PUNA/drone) Medium Altitude Long Endurance (MALE) Elang Hitam bakal uji terbang perdana pada Oktober 2020.

“Kemudian kita lanjut ke proses sertifikasi untuk flight test,” kata Gita kepada ANTARA di salah satu hanggar PT Dirgantara Indonesia (DI) di Bandung, Jumat.

“Jadi tes terbang, tes terbang akan dikerjakan sampai 2021 untuk bisa dapatkan type certificate sebagai MALE Surveillance. Dan kita akan lanjut terus mengintegrasikan senjata, weaponize. Nah itu kita mengharapkan di 2023 itu type certificate untuk kombatan MALE bisa kita dapat,” ujar dia.

MALE Elang Hitam merupakan drone yang dikembangkan sebuah konsorsium yang melibatkan Badan Pengkajian dan Penerapan Teknologi (BPPT), PT Dirgantara Indonesia, PT LEN, Institut Teknologi Bandung (ITB), Kementerian Pertahanan, TNI Angakatan Udara dan Lembaga Penerbangan dan Antariksa Nasional (LAPAN).

Uji terbang drone Elang Hitam, menurut dia, akan dilakukan di lokasi sebenarnya pesawat tanpa awak tersebut akan digunakan untuk pengawasan, seperti perairan Natuna di Kepulauan Riau.

Baca juga: Pesawat udara nirawak "Elang Hitam" diluncurkan
Baca juga: PTDI kenalkan pesawat nirawak untuk menangkal ancaman teritorial

Sebelumnya Kepala BPPT Hammam Riza mengatakan pembangunan drone Elang Hitam sebagai pesawat tanpa awak dengan kemampuan kombatan akan diakselerasi.

"Rencana percepatan pembangunan PUNA Elang Hitam, sudah kami paparkan saat agenda rapat dengar pendapat dengan Komisi VII DPR, Senin (3/2), di gedung DPR RI, Jakarta. Paparan terkait penguasaan teknologi Drone tersebut juga saya sampaikan selanjutnya kepada Menristek/BRIN pada agenda Rakor Kemenristek/BRIN," katanya.

Prototipe PUNA Elang Hitam (EH-1) juga sudah ditampilkan dalam Pameran Industri Pertahanan yg digelar oleh Kementerian Pertahanan.

Saat itu Presiden Joko Widodo bersama Menko Polhukam, Menteri Pertahanan, Kepala KSP juga telah melihat langsung drone Elang Hitam buatan anak bangsa itu, kata Hammam.

Skema pengembangan awal drone MALE Elang Hitam tersebut akan memiliki sertifikat sebagai drone tempur pada 2024. Namun jika ada percepatan diharapkan di 2021 sudah dapat beroperasi guna menjaga kedaulatan wilayah tanah air, seperti di langit Natuna, dan kawasan T3 lainnya (Terluar, Terdepan, Tertinggal).

“Semoga percepatan pembangunan Drone Elang Hitam ini, dapat segera terwujud. BPPT bersama Konsorsium PUNA MALE Kombatan, siap melakukan akselerasi," ujar dia.

Baca juga: BPPT-PT DI buat tiga lagi prototipe pesawat nirawak MALE hingga 2024
Baca juga: Humaniora sepekan, kisah banjir dan pesawat nirawak "Elang Hitam"


Pewarta: Virna P Setyorini
Editor: Arief Mujayatno
COPYRIGHT © ANTARA 2020

Drone MALE Elang Hitam PT DI bakal terbang perdana Oktober 2020

https://m.antaranews.com/berita/135...-hitam-bakal-uji-terbang-perdana-oktober-2020

i think it will possible as long as we are only using mature components and not needed further research to augment the capability beyond our limited technology scope and funding

credit to the original uploader. i think it's elang hitam/black eagle

MILITARY DRILLS
13 Mar, 15:24
Russia, Indonesia agree upon first joint navy exercises timeline
The working groups’ negotiations have been ongoing in Vladivostok since March 10, according to official information

© Alexei Mirny/TASS
Read also
Russia's Pacific Fleet ships to take part in three international exercises
MOSCOW, March 13. /TASS/. Russian and Indonesian military have agreed upon terms and location of the first Orruda-2020 joint naval exercises, Russian Pacific Fleet press service announced Friday.

"The sides have preliminary agreed upon the location, the timeline and the membership of the upcoming exercise," the fleet said without providing further details.

The working groups’ negotiations have been ongoing in Vladivostok since March 10. Russia was represented by the Pacific Fleet International Military Cooperation Division, and Indonesia was represented by a delegation led by Captain Sigit Santos.

A cultural program has also been prepared for the Indonesian guests, which included a visit to the Pacific Fleet Museum, the S-56 museum submarine and a tour of historic places of Vladivostok.

 

[Var Dracon]

Sandalwood pony, Sumbawa pony and Java Pony all had resemble appearances with Mongolian pony stock and some had crossbred with Arabian horses. There is speculation they are come from China, originally leftover from Kublai Khan punitive mission to Java, and Majapahit soon looking at their benefit and impact upon on warfare in Nusantara islands, and soon imported them in large number and use them to conquer islands and Kingdoms around Nusantara, including Batak, Gayo, Sumba, Sumbawa, Lombok, Bali, Timor.

Even though the Majapahit used it, they are not in considerable number. Tome Pires' 1515 account tells the army of Gusti Pati, viceroy of Batara Brawijaya, numbered 200,000 men, 2,000 of which are horsemen and 4,000 musketeers. Any pre-1900s history books mentioning Javanese army said that the Javanese primarily used infantry. Cavalry existed but only in low number, and they are primarily lancer. These cavalry sometimes dismount and attack on foot.
Many popular media depiction of Javanese cavalry is depicting them using Keris. This is, of course inaccurate (dagger used on horseback, imagine that).

 

[Raduga]

credit to the original uploader. i think it's elang hitam/black eagle

MILITARY DRILLS
13 Mar, 15:24
Russia, Indonesia agree upon first joint navy exercises timeline
The working groups’ negotiations have been ongoing in Vladivostok since March 10, according to official information

© Alexei Mirny/TASS
Read also
Russia's Pacific Fleet ships to take part in three international exercises
MOSCOW, March 13. /TASS/. Russian and Indonesian military have agreed upon terms and location of the first Orruda-2020 joint naval exercises, Russian Pacific Fleet press service announced Friday.

"The sides have preliminary agreed upon the location, the timeline and the membership of the upcoming exercise," the fleet said without providing further details.

The working groups’ negotiations have been ongoing in Vladivostok since March 10. Russia was represented by the Pacific Fleet International Military Cooperation Division, and Indonesia was represented by a delegation led by Captain Sigit Santos.

A cultural program has also been prepared for the Indonesian guests, which included a visit to the Pacific Fleet Museum, the S-56 museum submarine and a tour of historic places of Vladivostok.

long endurange .. , the roll out prototype seems to be very different from the prototype that was depicted , i hope the combatant variants will use the wind tunnel model .

if russia somewhat offer us some of their warship varints , i would straightly reject that , go get yourself some engine for your fleet first then we can talk about your offering .

 

[Nike]

Even though the Majapahit used it, they are not in considerable number. Tome Pires' 1515 account tells the army of Gusti Pati, viceroy of Batara Brawijaya, numbered 200,000 men, 2,000 of which are horsemen and 4,000 musketeers. Any pre-1900s history books mentioning Javanese army said that the Javanese primarily used infantry. Cavalry existed but only in low number, and they are primarily lancer. These cavalry sometimes dismount and attack on foot.
Many popular media depiction of Javanese cavalry is depicting them using Keris. This is, of course inaccurate (dagger used on horseback, imagine that).

1515 is Majapahit era of decline, they are not in peak anymore, their civil war erase much of their military resources including their cavalry, which is resources intensive. But surely, Majapahit as Maritime forces, surely depend their defense on their Navy and Marines units, not on their land forces so Cavalry to become the bulk of their forces is out of question, but they will be kept as lethal elite shock troops to routing local forces who doesnt own their own cavalry at all.

 

[Raduga]

Unknown submarine prototype tested in ILST BBTA3 , source : BBTA3

probably for research purpose , and not really for production prototype .

some of the 3d render prototoype of dsme 209 1400 AIP

 

[HellFireIndo]

1515 is Majapahit era of decline, they are not in peak anymore, their civil war erase much of their military resources including their cavalry, which is resources intensive. But surely, Majapahit as Maritime forces, surely depend their defense on their Navy and Marines units, not on their land forces so Cavalry to become the bulk of their forces is out of question, but they will be kept as lethal elite shock troops to routing local forces who doesnt own their own cavalry at all.

Most maritime civilizations doesnt invest much in cavalry either, British, Portuguese, Japanese, etc are not that well known as Cavalry-heavy armies, they are however, shares the same similarity of extensive Infantry-"Archers" combo, British foot archer and japanese samurai are some example. I think it's because island or coastal countries are not really the best suited environment to commit into pastoral tradition and therefore also not into Cavalry-dominated army.

This Infantry-heavy history think reminds me of AOE2 "Malay" Majapahit civ lol, which the strategy to use them is just spam cheap infantry to overwhelm enemy in attrition warfare. But if we take a consideration with the geographical factor, Java and sorrounding islands are unsuitable to field huge cavalry armies, mountainous with dense rainforest vegetation, hot humid weather, contrast to the temperate, flat and vast grassland/steppes that is ideally suited for cavalry (France and Mongolia for example), there are excuses to not field large cavalry forces.