Indonesia Defence Forum

[mejikuhibiu]

We got TD2000B and Chiron lol

Dont forget si mbah samber nyowo s60

 

[Chaplin009x]

Bloomberg's article
Trump Threat Spurred Indonesia to Drop Russia, China Arms Deals

Just take decision already!!

Since the beginning of CAATSA was the cause of the rise of rafale drama, I think the Air Force will depend on the fleet they have now with modernization that has just begun. assuming we face an economic slowdown due to the corona virus effect. but if the procurement of f5 replacement aircraft continues. Rafale is the best choice and also a gift for trump , if he wins the election again later

 

[Kansel]

 

[Ruhnama]

Looks like new Vest carrier armor is recently distributed between January and March among Indonesian frontline units,

This pics is taken from https://mobile.twitter.com/Korpaskhas_id in January, Yonko 462 Paskhas still using the old style body armor

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More recent picture of their patrol

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And the same unit Exercise in March

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Looks like they need to change some their rifles in a squad, one need to have DMR toward full cartridge of battle rifle in 7,62 Cal NATO with magnifier optics tools, if we are looking at the terrain in Papua. Along with rapid fire carbine like type gun for firefighting in dense jungle for most of squad member.

This

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Combined with this

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Why that soldier hold his rifle in gas tube?

 

[HellFireIndo]

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Something interesting from Singapore

hoho, i do not think the smol bois would get their fanfiction-esque "new singapore' fantasy in any paralell universe, how many kiasu boys that they will sacrifice for that kind of "action"? 100.000 boys? 400.000 boys? their entire elderly population?

These guys always assumes "superiority" by theory alone, never once did they fought a war, tried to achieve perfect victory on one aspect that is arrogance, overconfidence, is a sure way to confirms own defeat.

 

[Kansel]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1238437137332097024

Expect US made fighters over anything else.


I am honestly interested whether or not shipyards like Bath Ironworks or Newport News Shipbuilding would join the fray.

Having more competitors in our shipbuilding programs would honestly lower costs whilst increasing tot contracts.

I'd rather we start going into the habit of local shipyard/defense companies teaming up with foreign companies such as PAL and DAMEN/Odense teaming up against Tesco and DCNS/Lockheed Martin. Competition is good for business and the economy. It keeps costs down whilst keeping quality up.


I'd imagine they'd be phased out soon. We are honestly better off keeping a mix of Mistrals + Oerlikon Milleniums + NASAMS + Aster 30's/MEADS datalinked together with Air Force GCI OTH radars and AWACS/ELINT planes then the hodgepodge mix of SHORADS we have now.

I'm sorry, but does it realistic enough looking at our current budget?

 

[Kansel]

Now, Russian news agency are confirming this news.

Indonesia drops $1.1 bln deal to purchase 11 fighter jets from Russia, reports say
The Indonesian authorities made this decision under the US pressure, the news agency Bloomberg reported
MOSCOW, March 12. /TASS/. The Indonesian authorities have decided against moving ahead with a plan to purchase 11 Sukhoi Su-35 fighter jets from Russia for about $1.1 billion, the news agency Bloomberg reported on Thursday.

The Indonesian authorities made this decision under the US pressure, according to the news agency’s data.

It was reported in early 2018 that Jakarta had signed a contract with Russia on the purchase of 11 Su-35 fighter jets. However, the contract’s implementation has not begun to date over US sanctions. Indonesian Ambassador to Russia Mohamad Wahid Supriyadi said in July 2019 that the delay was due to the complex trade scheme, in which both government agencies and companies were involved.

Head of Russia’s Federal Service for Military and Technical Cooperation Dmitry Shugayev said in October last year that the Russian side hoped for a decision in the immediate future on implementing the contract for the delivery of Su-35 fighters to Indonesia.

 

[Raduga]

Now, Russian news agency are confirming this news.

Indonesia drops $1.1 bln deal to purchase 11 fighter jets from Russia, reports say
The Indonesian authorities made this decision under the US pressure, the news agency Bloomberg reported
MOSCOW, March 12. /TASS/. The Indonesian authorities have decided against moving ahead with a plan to purchase 11 Sukhoi Su-35 fighter jets from Russia for about $1.1 billion, the news agency Bloomberg reported on Thursday.

The Indonesian authorities made this decision under the US pressure, according to the news agency’s data.

It was reported in early 2018 that Jakarta had signed a contract with Russia on the purchase of 11 Su-35 fighter jets. However, the contract’s implementation has not begun to date over US sanctions. Indonesian Ambassador to Russia Mohamad Wahid Supriyadi said in July 2019 that the delay was due to the complex trade scheme, in which both government agencies and companies were involved.

Head of Russia’s Federal Service for Military and Technical Cooperation Dmitry Shugayev said in October last year that the Russian side hoped for a decision in the immediate future on implementing the contract for the delivery of Su-35 fighters to Indonesia.

more viper or french fighter then ? french fighter aren't that bad either (even though this means su-30mk2 and su-27 life wont stay long since we will shift into french fighter to avoid logistical nightmare , but that's IF ) , CMIIW , since falkland wars , indo pakistani war ,gulf war , iran iraq war are showing us that french fighter does not tolerate either western or eastern jet as their prey .

 

[Whizzack]

Now, Russian news agency are confirming this news.

Indonesia drops $1.1 bln deal to purchase 11 fighter jets from Russia, reports say
The Indonesian authorities made this decision under the US pressure, the news agency Bloomberg reported
MOSCOW, March 12. /TASS/. The Indonesian authorities have decided against moving ahead with a plan to purchase 11 Sukhoi Su-35 fighter jets from Russia for about $1.1 billion, the news agency Bloomberg reported on Thursday.

The Indonesian authorities made this decision under the US pressure, according to the news agency’s data.

It was reported in early 2018 that Jakarta had signed a contract with Russia on the purchase of 11 Su-35 fighter jets. However, the contract’s implementation has not begun to date over US sanctions. Indonesian Ambassador to Russia Mohamad Wahid Supriyadi said in July 2019 that the delay was due to the complex trade scheme, in which both government agencies and companies were involved.

Head of Russia’s Federal Service for Military and Technical Cooperation Dmitry Shugayev said in October last year that the Russian side hoped for a decision in the immediate future on implementing the contract for the delivery of Su-35 fighters to Indonesia.

This might be a Russian news outlet, but this is still the same exact article recycled from Bloomberg.. No new information here, still just a quote from an unknown anonymous official..

That being said, even if this Su 35 deal really does fail, I strongly doubt we will go for an all American hardware.. The memories of the last embargo are still fresh in the minds of many.. Even Prabowo himself is still more or less a persona non grata in the US..

 

[Chestnut]

hoho, i do not think the smol bois would get their fanfiction-esque "new singapore' fantasy in any paralell universe, how many kiasu boys that they will sacrifice for that kind of "action"? 100.000 boys? 400.000 boys? their entire elderly population?

These guys always assumes "superiority" by theory alone, never once did they fought a war, tried to achieve perfect victory on one aspect that is arrogance, overconfidence, is a sure way to confirms own defeat.

You do realize they can curb stomp our military even WITH our numerical superiority right? They have a larger Air Force and a much more sophisticated Navy. They don't need to match the number of personnel we have because at the end of the day, force multipliers and logistics will determine the outcome of conflicts. This is the sad reality of it. To think that we'd win against Singapore in a hypothetical conflict just between the two countries is the fantasy in this scenario.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1238437137332097024

I'm sorry, but does it realistic enough looking at our current budget?

Considering US made equipment is cheaper to maintain and are often cheaper to acquire then their European and Russian counterparts when spread out over the years, I'd say yes. It's more realistic to assume we'd be buying more F-16's instead of Rafales.

Like it or not we still need to replace the F-5, and considering the Viper is cheaper than the Rafale and is already preferred by the Air Force, it's a no brainer that it's the one that would be coming in the next coming years.

 

[Chaplin009x]

This might be a Russian news outlet, but this is still the same exact article recycled from Bloomberg.. No new information here, still just a quote from an unknown anonymous official..

That being said, even if this Su 35 deal really does fail, I strongly doubt we will go for an all American hardware.. The memories of the last embargo are still fresh in the minds of many.. Even Prabowo himself is still more or less a persona non grata in the US..

entrust to the current authority. all policy makers, they don't need mickey mouse bullshit. yes, we cannot be too naive, politics are uncertain.

 

[mandala]

Now, Russian news agency are confirming this news.

Indonesia drops $1.1 bln deal to purchase 11 fighter jets from Russia, reports say
The Indonesian authorities made this decision under the US pressure, the news agency Bloomberg reported
MOSCOW, March 12. /TASS/. The Indonesian authorities have decided against moving ahead with a plan to purchase 11 Sukhoi Su-35 fighter jets from Russia for about $1.1 billion, the news agency Bloomberg reported on Thursday.

The Indonesian authorities made this decision under the US pressure, according to the news agency’s data.

It was reported in early 2018 that Jakarta had signed a contract with Russia on the purchase of 11 Su-35 fighter jets. However, the contract’s implementation has not begun to date over US sanctions. Indonesian Ambassador to Russia Mohamad Wahid Supriyadi said in July 2019 that the delay was due to the complex trade scheme, in which both government agencies and companies were involved.

Head of Russia’s Federal Service for Military and Technical Cooperation Dmitry Shugayev said in October last year that the Russian side hoped for a decision in the immediate future on implementing the contract for the delivery of Su-35 fighters to Indonesia.

They are reporting based from Bloomberg article. No confirmation from Russian or Indonesian officials.

 

[Nike]

They are reporting based from Bloomberg article. No confirmation from Russian or Indonesian officials.

Its slapping face report and testing the water report, no one willingly to admit it if it true. And if its not true, giving denial will put yourselves at odd with US current admin. Thus better to stay silent

 

[V3NOM12]

Im just thingking if we opted to continue Su-30MK2 and Su-27SKM legacy from the start maybe right now we can see them already flying in our airspace. But yess we can just wait and see the confirmation lol

 

[Ruhnama]

hoho, i do not think the smol bois would get their fanfiction-esque "new singapore' fantasy in any paralell universe, how many kiasu boys that they will sacrifice for that kind of "action"? 100.000 boys? 400.000 boys? their entire elderly population?

These guys always assumes "superiority" by theory alone, never once did they fought a war, tried to achieve perfect victory on one aspect that is arrogance, overconfidence, is a sure way to confirms own defeat.

They think they like israeli can hit larger neighbor into submission easily and destroy our armed force and take control maybe Sumatra land. But
How they do that with pops only size like JKT city?
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