Indonesia Defence Forum

[polanski]

Indonesia finally cancel Su-35, seek F-35 from the US: https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/2...nally-cancel-su-35-requests-f-35-from-the-us/

 

[umigami]

Indonesia finally cancel Su-35, seek F-35 from the US: https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/2...nally-cancel-su-35-requests-f-35-from-the-us/

It's just repeat of Bloomberg's report.
But if it's true, I'm pretty happy we finally pursuing 5th gen Fighter, but isn't it a bit to early?
I mean our infrastructure (link 16 network, ewacs, human resources, etc) aren't even ready yet.

 

[Being-Art]

It's just repeat of Bloomberg's report.
But if it's true, I'm pretty happy we finally pursuing 5th gen Fighter, but isn't it a bit to early?
I mean our infrastructure (link 16 network, ewacs, human resources, etc) aren't even ready yet.

fortunately in terms of logistical weapons is not a serious problem for Lightning II. instead of buying Dassault Rafale which has the same price per unit, and has similar overall maintenance cost as the F-35A, plus nightmare logistics in terms of Armament

 

[Raduga]

fortunately in terms of logistical weapons is not a serious problem for Lightning II. instead of buying Dassault Rafale which has the same price per unit, and has similar overall maintenance cost as the F-35A, plus nightmare logistics in terms of Armament

aren't MICA and Exocet already on our inventory , the Rafale could be a very first naval strike fighter indonesia had ,if we procure it .

 

[striver44]

aren't MICA and Exocet already on our inventory , the Rafale could be a very first naval strike fighter indonesia had ,if we procure it .

We dont operate AM 39 exocet

 

[umigami]

We dont operate AM 39 exocet

Well, our air force don't seems to operate any dedicated air launch AShM. So they need to learn maritime strike either way.

 

[striver44]

Well, our air force don't seems to operate any dedicated air launch AShM. So they need to learn maritime strike either way.

F16s with harpoon will do the job done. No need to diversify our fighter fleet model.

 

[Chestnut]

This might be a Russian news outlet, but this is still the same exact article recycled from Bloomberg.. No new information here, still just a quote from an unknown anonymous official..

That being said, even if this Su 35 deal really does fail, I strongly doubt we will go for an all American hardware.. The memories of the last embargo are still fresh in the minds of many.. Even Prabowo himself is still more or less a persona non grata in the US..

fortunately in terms of logistical weapons is not a serious problem for Lightning II. instead of buying Dassault Rafale which has the same price per unit, and has similar overall maintenance cost as the F-35A, plus nightmare logistics in terms of Armament

We are not ready to operate the F-35.

If we don't even have basic support planes like AWACS and A2A Tankers along with weapons to arm the fighters we already have, there is zero point for us to operate the F-35. A 5th gen fighter without the necessary support network is not a deterrence at all and is just a waste of money. Parades don't win wars.

Furthermore, the amount of airframes we have currently is still insufficient to provide us a credible deterrent. We need at least 100 airframes (excluding the T-50i's) to give us a sufficient amount of sortie generation + replacement airframes. To do that we need more F-16's. Another airframe type such as the Rafale or the F-35 would make logistics even more difficult then it already is.

They think they like israeli can hit larger neighbor into submission easily and destroy our armed force and take control maybe Sumatra land. But
How they do that with pops only size like JKT city?
Kecuali main strategi atritisi mungkin

They don't need troops and they don't need to take all of Sumatra. The RSAF and the RSN can simply cripple our Air Force and Navy without so much of a threat to them. At which point they can conduct amphibious operations in Riau, Natuna, and Bangka Belitung in order to push out and give them breathing space. And considering we don't have much in terms of air defense apart from point defense guns (some of which are pretty old let me remind you) and SHORADS (which aren't even networked together) they can make short work of our armored units.

Jangan pikir negara kita itu kuat. Realitasnya adalah negara kita itu sekarang masih lemah dalam bidang pertahanan karena ketua militer dan politisi2 kita tidak begitu mengerti peperangan abad ke-21 dan malas belajar. Daripada menghayal dan sok2 berpatriotis buta lebih bagus mengkritis dan melobi pemerintah untuk benar2 memperbaiki kapibilitas militer kita.

 

[striver44]

Capturing an island is one thing. Holding it to the point of being a liability is another thing.
Singapore could in theory capture the nearer island but for how long and at what price?

 

[umigami]

This is just come into my mind.
If this F35 request get through, do Indonesia have to say goodbye to all russian air defence related alutsista (or maybe all Russian alutsista) if we don't want to be kicked out like they did to Turkish?

Even after Caatsa no longer exist.

 

[mandala]

In their local military forum Singaporean like to compare themselves to Israel. Singapore is not Israel. Period.

 

[Nike]

A country as large as Indonesia, with a trillion dollar economy with just less than 60 hodpodge fighter is pathetic. We should look at Turkish Airforce capability, they are what nearer us in term of economy capability and financial support. If they can sporting such large and sophisticated Air Force, Indonesia should do much better compared to them. Only armed by 100 F16 is truly too small. We should aim for 200-250 fighter, thats the number to fill aerial fighter coverage blank we had.

 

[Raduga]

A country as large as Indonesia, with a trillion dollar economy with just less than 60 hodpodge fighter is pathetic. We should look at Turkish Airforce capability, they are what nearer us in term of economy capability and financial support. If they can sporting such large and sophisticated Air Force, Indonesia should do much better compared to them. Only armed by 100 F16 is truly too small. We should aim for 200-250 fighter, thats the number to fill aerial fighter coverage blank we had.

they spent 1.71 percent of their GDP on defense , we are not even reaching 1 percent ............

and turkey bought that f-16 since long time ago right ? almost the same time when we are planning to get 60 F-16 before asia financial crisis tumble our economy apart .

 

[Nike]

In their local military forum Singaporean like to compare themselves to Israel. Singapore is not Israel. Period.

Singkies is kiasu. Period.

In any possible conflict, Indonesia likely to armed herselves to the teeth with crash program. Thats our bad attitude. Just reacting instead prepared

 

[Raduga]

if the first peace bima sena was succesfull we could probably already had a fleet consisted of 84 F-16