Indonesia Defence Forum

[GraveDigger388]

Why did Indonesia suspended military ties with Australia?
I didn't satisfy from claimed reasons on the web.

Blasphemy on national ideology, not to mention insults from their military entities. That's what our officials said, unless it's proven otherwise. Though, it was also mentioned that their authorities have sent us apologize letter, some sort of. (CMIIW, anyone)

It's acceptable if we criticize each other's military, since such critics probably can make our military better, vice versa. But when we dare to say crap about other countries' ideologies, the ones that their citizens are willingly to pour their blood, sweat, and tears to achieve, defend, and live by it......it's just crossing the line. Especially when we know nothing about said country. IN THIS CASE we are talking about Australia. Which, although they are just a few hundred miles away across southern pond from us, majority of their citizens know little about anything beyond Bali.

And don't start to say anything regarding Papua. If you are care enough to search across this site, I'm sure there are multiple threads that discuss and provide news about the major infrastructure development currently running there. Not to mention they have this 'special privilege'. What do we call it guys? Special Regional Autonomy? Something like that?

Oh one more thing, bringing up things like '98 and Timor, over and over and over again has ZERO relevance in the present. Our military lives up their current slogan pretty well this times around.

I'm done.

 

[Jakartans@PkDef]

Yes, and we sure can play china, india, Russia, japan and united states on our bargaining chip on economic, militarily and industrial gain

Not with China
We dont have any competitive nor comparative advantage in terms of industry with China. They have better tech and cheaper labors, there will be nothing left for us.

We can do it with Russia, Japan, USA etc

 

[CareTaker]

Blasphemy on national ideology, not to mention insults from their military entities. That's what our officials said, unless it's proven otherwise. Though, it was also mentioned that their authorities have sent us apologize letter, some sort of. (CMIIW, anyone)

It's acceptable if we criticize each other's military, since such critics probably can make our military better, vice versa. But when we dare to say crap about other countries' ideologies, the ones that their citizens are willingly to pour their blood, sweat, and tears to achieve, defend, and live by it......it's just crossing the line. Especially when we know nothing about said country. IN THIS CASE we are talking about Australia. Which, although they are just a few hundred miles away across southern pond from us, majority of their citizens know little about anything beyond Bali.

And don't start to say anything regarding Papua. If you are care enough to search across this site, I'm sure there are multiple threads that discuss and provide news about the major infrastructure development currently running there. Not to mention they have this 'special privilege'. What do we call it guys? Special Regional Autonomy? Something like that?

Oh one more thing, bringing up things like '98 and Timor, over and over and over again has ZERO relevance in the present. Our military lives up their current slogan pretty well this times around.

I'm done.

Well if you ask me, i will support the sovereignty of Indonesia.

 

[Su-35SM3 Flanker-N]

All foreign relation issues with at least three neighbors started from one conflict...Dwikora. A rather unnecessary conflict in my opinion, we became a pawn in one of proxy wars in Cold War era. Essentially a PKI project and there was a significant internal opposition from TNI-AD, but they were soldiers, they had to follow order

 

[initial_d]

All foreign relation issues with at least three neighbors stbombfrom one conflict...Dwikora. A rather unnecessary conflict in my opinion, we became a pawn in one of proxy wars in Cold War era. Essentially a PKI project and there was a significant internal opposition from TNI-AD, but they were soldiers, they had to follow order

It's all in the past, why can't they act like a grown up men do, we had good relation with singapore even though we bomb their city in the 60s, but with the Aussie, they keep hostile to us even though we are nice to them, perhaps they need bad guy figures for their domestic reason, they spy on us, support rebel faction in Indonesia, say bad thing about us even though they need us more than we need them, we just have to give then a lesson for once

 

[afiq0110]

It's all in the past, why can't they act like a grown up men do, we had good relation with singapore even though we bomb their city in the 60s, but with the Aussie, they keep hostile to us even though we are nice to them, perhaps they need bad guy figures for their domestic reason, they spy on us, support rebel faction in Indonesia, say bad thing about us even though they need us more than we need them, we just have to give then a lesson for once

Keep calm... Their tourist benefits us... We just have to develop our cow farm better to reduce our import from aussie... And make better pr for our scholar program, convince the youngsters to study at home rather than abroad...

 

[initial_d]

QUOTEi

Keep calm... Their tourist benefits us... We just have to develop our cow farm better to reduce our import from aussie... And make better pr for our scholar program, convince the youngsters to study at home rather than abroad...

I am not talking about damaging Indonesia-australia relationship. Trade, tourism, cultural must not affected for our muttual benevit, but political and military relationship i must say we have to keep distance from them, i am saying make more close relation with china and russia to make them UNDERSTAND that they (the aussies and their master the U.S.A) NEEDED US MORE, THAN WE NEEDED THEM!!

 

[UMNOPutra]

Australia will never be a good neighboor, friends or allies to Indonesia, it's a well known for them to look us down, it's time to make them pay for what they done to us all this time, lets invites PLAN and Russian navy to a war games and joint patrol on timor gap, i wanted to know what their going to respond to that

Don't be too naive ... This is basic principle in the international relationship ... there is no permanent enemy or friend .. but your "national interest".

 

[initial_d]

Don't be too naive ... This is basic principle in the international relationship ... there is no permanent enemy or friend .. but your "national interest" ..

Bhahahahahah coming out from someone like you seem hillarious......

 

[pr1v4t33r]

There're not much trust to begin with with Australia anyway, so those kind of incident should be expected. Now, we should plan how we can troll them back .

 

[initial_d]

There're not much trust to begin with with Australia anyway, so those kind of incident should be expected. Now, we should plan how we can troll them back .

It's easy, just invites the PLAN on a war games near their border, that will do it lol......

 

[pr1v4t33r]

It's easy, just invites the PLAN on a war games near their border, that will do it lol......

Bringing others into this tiny yet overly sensitive issue is bad. We definitely don't need PLAN or anyone to spoil our "revenge". We're professional. We can troll Australia by ourself until they turn green.

 

[initial_d]

Bringing others into this tiny yet overly sensitive issue is bad. We definitely don't need PLAN or anyone what so ever to backup our move. We're professional. We can troll Australia ourself until they turn pale.

What i meant is, we can showed them that we don't need them, we can have a benevitted relationship with china or other country than with them, if we wanted it, we can isolated them without bringing third party on the scene, just making a point to them

 

[katarabhumi]

Bringing others into this tiny yet overly sensitive issue is bad. We definitely don't need PLAN or anyone to backup our "revenge". We're professional. We can troll Australia by ourself until they turn pale.

Just let the asylum seekers pass freely through our territory, then escort them safely to Australian border and all be well. ;-)

 

[Su-35SM3 Flanker-N]

I have a feeling it is a legacy training material that isn't updated yet, probably from the East Timor era. I don't think a retaliation is a good idea, they will retaliate back...endless tit-for-tat responses will ensue. A temporary halt in military cooperation is enough. I prefer a "positive retaliation", by showing our respect to everything that they value.

This shows that we are morally better than them and it's something that can make me proud as an Indonesian.