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Sejumlah pasukan Raider 613 berbaris sesaatnya tiba di pelabuhan Malundung Tarakan, Kalimantan Utara, Kamis (21/04/2016). Pasukan Raider yang dulunya merupakan pasukan organik Kodam VI/613 ini baru kembali ke Tarakan usai menjalani latihan di Pusat Pendidikan Pasukan Khusus di Batujajar Jawa Barat selama tiga bulan. (ANTARA FOTO/Fadlansyah)

Thanks guys. The reason I ask this is because I'm comparing KCR-60 with Russia's Tarantul-Class.

Both vessels are of similar size. Similar length, beam, and displacement. But Tarantul is a corvette while KCR-60 is only classified as Fast (missile) Boat. With similar size, Tarantul can carry 16 SSM the same size of C705 while KCR-60 can only carry 4 SSM. Other weapons on KCR-60 seems okay with me, good 57mm bofors, CIWS, and SAM. The only draw back is just that Tarantul can carry 4 times more SSM than KCR-60.

Since Tarantul is a corvette, what I'm wondering is that we've been talking about KORNAS, and I think PAL is actually able to build KORNAS on it's own if it's based on the KCR-60 design. So why stop at making a missile boat when making a KORNAS is already 90% probable?

Big platform acquisition is not only based on how many AShM can be carried on, most of the reason is to match the original perceptive threat we are currently facing, doctrine we are using right now, financial challenge and geographical area along with their challanges. KCR 60 is good for us, because they are maximizing their range patrol area they can cover, provision to carry spec ops along with RHIB boats and sufficient firepower to be a hard precense in contested area.

 

[kaka404]

Thanks guys. The reason I ask this is because I'm comparing KCR-60 with Russia's Tarantul-Class.

Both vessels are of similar size. Similar length, beam, and displacement. But Tarantul is a corvette while KCR-60 is only classified as Fast (missile) Boat. With similar size, Tarantul can carry 16 SSM the same size of C705 while KCR-60 can only carry 4 SSM. Other weapons on KCR-60 seems okay with me, good 57mm bofors, CIWS, and SAM. The only draw back is just that Tarantul can carry 4 times more SSM than KCR-60.

Since Tarantul is a corvette, what I'm wondering is that we've been talking about KORNAS, and I think PAL is actually able to build KORNAS on it's own if it's based on the KCR-60 design. So why stop at making a missile boat when making a KORNAS is already 90% probable?

imho i don't think we can compare those two together. fully loaded both ships has a difference of displacement of almost 100ton. and don't forget, russian navy has that "distinct" view of naval warfare which make their ships slightly different with other navy...
oh and also keep in mind different navy have different definition for the term corvette, light frigate, destroyer escort, frigate, destroyer, and so on. it's not just about size...
as for the national corvette program, if i'm not mistaken the base idea of the program is that indonesia can build warships (bigger than patrol boat) by herself.. the development of the kcr(s) is based on the navy needs. and nobody said we're going to stop developing an even bigger warship..
kcr(s), the sigma assembly, nasdec, submarine production facility, and many other project involving warship production are proof that we are developing our own warship and we're not going to stop...

PS: somebody once told me that if you want to design a big ship, don't use a small ship design as your base... it doesn't work like that...

 

[NEKONEKO]

chinese flagged shipFV Hua Li-8 caught by TNI AL, after the incident about kway fey the tension probably will increase again
tribunnews,com/tribunners/2016/04/22/8-buronan-interpol-argentina-ditangkap-tni-al

 

[MacanJawa]

Hi guys. New member here but I'm not new to this thread. Been following this thread for more than 3 years now but never have time to be active here until now.

As you can see my avatar is a dog's nose that's because I'm nosy. Always sniffing for knowledge. Anyway I have two questions for you seniors or knowledgable juniors here.

1. What is the actual combat capability of KCR-60? Although it will carry Chinese CIWS, we know it can carry 57mm bofors but not 76mm oto melara. How about SSM? Maximum, how many SSM can it carry? And how about torpedoes or ASuW capability?

2. It's been more than a year now, any development about our planned purchase of Russian Be-200?

maybe 2-4 missile each craft, the current production aim at anti air and anti surface

chinese flagged shipFV Hua Li-8 caught by TNI AL, after the incident about kway fey the tension probably will increase again
tribunnews,com/tribunners/2016/04/22/8-buronan-interpol-argentina-ditangkap-tni-al

well we should prepare anything in case china rage

 

[Boss Dragun]

Indonesia Likely to Buy Over Dozen Russian Su-35 Fighter Jets – Rostec
© Sputnik/ Grigoriy Sisoev
10:08 21.04.2016(updated 10:25 21.04.2016)
Indonesia plans to buy up to 18 Russian Su-35 fighter jets.

© SPUTNIK/ ALEXANDER ASTAFYEV
KUALA LUMPUR (Malasya) (Sputnik) – Key decisions on the purchase of Russian Su-35 Flanker multirole fighters by Indonesia have been made and contract talks may start soon, a senior official from Russia’s Rostec state corporation said.


“Principle decisions have been made, we are expecting the start of talks,” Viktor Kladov, the head of Rostec's International Cooperation Department, said in an interview with RIA Novosti.

“We are looking forward to the visit of the Indonesian defense minister to Moscow to attend an international security conference. We will have a meeting on the sidelines of this conference, we are making progress in this direction,” Kladov said adding that the deal may involve up to 18 aircraft.

Russia has also started preliminary talks with Indonesia on the delivery of Russian Project 636 Varshavyanka diesel-electric submarines, Viktor Kladov said.

"Preliminary consultations are being held. Indonesia has strong interest in developing military-technical cooperation with Russia and we are already cooperating in all three areas – ground forces, air force and the navy. We are holding several consultations, including on this particular [Project 636] subject," Kladov told RIA Novosti.

Russia’s improved Kilo-class diesel-electric submarines feature advanced stealth technology, extended combat range and the ability to strike land, surface and underwater targets.

In 2016, the Russian Black Sea Fleet will deploy six Project 636 Varshavyanka class submarines.

was this a future plan or the current plan by the govt? i thought we are to get 18 SU 35 previously.

the decision is splendid nonetheless. more closer approach to Russia is desired. now i am hoping there will be many Indonesians doing business here, as well as exchange students.

 

[pr1v4t33r]

SIGMA frigate #2

 

[pr1v4t33r]

BRP Tarlac 601 Main Mast

 

[Indos]

PT Pindad Indonesia

SBS IFV prototype

 

[MacanJawa]

was this a future plan or the current plan by the govt? i thought we are to get 18 SU 35 previously.

the decision is splendid nonetheless. more closer approach to Russia is desired. now i am hoping there will be many Indonesians doing business here, as well as exchange students.

nope indo gov are confused and bluff but best case will be 8 unit su 35

 

[pr1v4t33r]

Prajurit TNI AU Simulasi Pengamanan Wilayah Udara
Prajurit TNI AU melakukan simulasi di Pangkalan Udara Sultan Iskandar Muda, Blangbintang, Aceh Besar, Aceh, Jumat (22/4/2016). Simulasi pengamanan wilayah udara tersebut bertujuan meningkatkan kesiagaan dan kemampuan TNI AU dalam menjaga keutuhan wilayah udara NKRI dari ancaman pihak luar.

training and training... all the time.. will determine either life or dead in real operation...

 

[BoQ77]

Vietnam Navy crewmen greeting the Indonesia president during ship march

 

[pr1v4t33r]

URO 4x4 Vamtac ST5 vehicles in PT.Len facilities
This vehicles will be fitted with Rapid Ranger launcher and Starstreak air defence missiles.

 

[BoQ77]

Thanks guys. The reason I ask this is because I'm comparing KCR-60 with Russia's Tarantul-Class.

Both vessels are of similar size. Similar length, beam, and displacement. But Tarantul is a corvette while KCR-60 is only classified as Fast (missile) Boat. With similar size, Tarantul can carry 16 SSM the same size of C705 while KCR-60 can only carry 4 SSM. Other weapons on KCR-60 seems okay with me, good 57mm bofors, CIWS, and SAM. The only draw back is just that Tarantul can carry 4 times more SSM than KCR-60.

Since Tarantul is a corvette, what I'm wondering is that we've been talking about KORNAS, and I think PAL is actually able to build KORNAS on it's own if it's based on the KCR-60 design. So why stop at making a missile boat when making a KORNAS is already 90% probable?

Vienam built 6x Molniya ( Tarantul V ) at that configuration.
the Pro as you said, the Con is reduction of trip to 10 days. So Tarantul V isnt suitable for long time patrol mission. The major mission should be for 2x Molniya made an extended coastal defense system like Bal-E with salvo of 32x AShM, 16 each ship as launcher.They attempt to launch a saturated attack to hostile ship group

 

[initial_d]

chinese flagged shipFV Hua Li-8 caught by TNI AL, after the incident about kway fey the tension probably will increase again
tribunnews,com/tribunners/2016/04/22/8-buronan-interpol-argentina-ditangkap-tni-al

Good, so we can trade it with more indonesian corruptor hiding in china

 

[anas_nurhafidz]

The Indonesian Navy has arrested a Chinese-flagged foreign fishing vessel, Hua Li-8, in Belawan, North Sumatra on Friday (22/04). The navy received information that the Chinese ship — which is wanted by Interpol in Argentina — was within Indonesian waters and deployed two battleships, KRI Viper-820 and KRI Pati Unus-384, for the capture.

Blow them up
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