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Vietnam Navy crewmen greeting the Indonesia president during ship march
nice dude, this is during komodo excercise?
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Vietnam Navy crewmen greeting the Indonesia president during ship march
nice dude, this is during komodo excercise?
Big platform acquisition is not only based on how many AShM can be carried on, most of the reason is to match the original perceptive threat we are currently facing, doctrine we are using right now, financial challenge and geographical area along with their challanges. KCR 60 is good for us, because they are maximizing their range patrol area they can cover, provision to carry spec ops along with RHIB boats and sufficient firepower to be a hard precense in contested area.
imho i don't think we can compare those two together. fully loaded both ships has a difference of displacement of almost 100ton. and don't forget, russian navy has that "distinct" view of naval warfare which make their ships slightly different with other navy...
oh and also keep in mind different navy have different definition for the term corvette, light frigate, destroyer escort, frigate, destroyer, and so on. it's not just about size...
as for the national corvette program, if i'm not mistaken the base idea of the program is that indonesia can build warships (bigger than patrol boat) by herself.. the development of the kcr(s) is based on the navy needs. and nobody said we're going to stop developing an even bigger warship..
kcr(s), the sigma assembly, nasdec, submarine production facility, and many other project involving warship production are proof that we are developing our own warship and we're not going to stop...
PS: somebody once told me that if you want to design a big ship, don't use a small ship design as your base... it doesn't work like that...
Vienam built 6x Molniya ( Tarantul V ) at that configuration.
the Pro as you said, the Con is reduction of trip to 10 days. So Tarantul V isnt suitable for long time patrol mission. The major mission should be for 2x Molniya made an extended coastal defense system like Bal-E with salvo of 32x AShM, 16 each ship as launcher.They attempt to launch a saturated attack to hostile ship group
chinese flagged shipFV Hua Li-8 caught by TNI AL, after the incident about kway fey the tension probably will increase again
tribunnews,com/tribunners/2016/04/22/8-buronan-interpol-argentina-ditangkap-tni-al
maybe 2-4 missile each craft, the current production aim at anti air and anti surface
well we should prepare anything in case china rage
It's true, BUT, if the mission is only patrol, especially during peace time, does Tarantul need that configuration (carrying full armament ) ? Probably not. So with less arms carried it can be at sea more than 10 days.
One need to consider how big the area that must be patrolled. Our naval vessels need more endurance to patrol this very vast sea
I never say that we should use Tarantul instead of KCR-60. I only say that we should make KCR-60 missile capabilty similar to Tarantul, and that discussion have been concluded ( closed ) by me. But, if we want to talk about KCR-60 endurance at sea, then it's worse than Tarantul. Tarantul is 10 days, KCR-60 is 9 days worth of endurance at sea.
As you said, our seas are vast. So why are we ( TNI-AL ) still ordering KCR-60?
I never say that we should use Tarantul instead of KCR-60. I only say that we should make KCR-60 missile capabilty similar to Tarantul, and that discussion have been concluded ( closed ) by me.
My point is, Vietnam doesn't have any problem putting more missile on that small platform since their maritime territory is relatively limited, compared to, let's say Indonesia. They can utillize that firepower to their advantages. Especially if we consider SCS maritime dispute with China in mind.
In case of Indonesia, we have very vast sea with diverse characteristic and have relatively low threat. So we need more hull to establish present and control at sea as priority. With relatively low production & operational cost, KCR-40 & KCR-60 are our effort to answer this specific challange, to establish present and control at sea.
For more heavy duty job, we have SIGMA, for our future frigate. SIGMA design in my opinion can be adopted for OPV and corvette or even can be developed further into destroyer.
@BoQ77, do you have info about the production cost for tarantul-class corvette, complete with all the armament?
from this link: http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/price-russian-weapons-t98271.html
unit cost for tarantul-class corvette is around 60+ million.
KCR-60 hull production cost is around 12 million. Let's say we add 10 million more for armament, that around 22 million. We can get 3 units KCR-60 for 1 Tarantul-class.
I dont think Vietnam put less weapon on Molniya for more operational days, they use another platform TT400 or DN2000 for that. TT400 hull cost about 1 million, during few year Vietnam built dozen of them. Tarantul and its AShM or TT-400 now all built domestically, so it's cheaper than quoted,
Impressive. Only 1 million for TT400 hull. Are you sure, that's very cheap. Even our local built marine & fishery patrol vessel and Customs vessel with comparable size cost more than 10 million.
60 metre Marine & Fishery patrol vessel.
60 metre Customs vessel
Impressive. Only 1 million for TT400 hull. Are you sure, that's very cheap. Even our local built marine & fishery patrol vessel and Customs vessel with comparable size cost more than 10 million.
60 metre Marine & Fishery patrol vessel.
60 metre Customs vessel
By self designing and producing, TT400 saved 90% of total cost for hull, if we buy it, it would cost 10 million. btw it is a 54meter, 400 ton patrol boat, not 60m
I never say that we should use Tarantul instead of KCR-60. I only say that we should make KCR-60 missile capabilty similar to Tarantul, and that discussion have been concluded ( closed ) by me. But, if we want to talk about KCR-60 endurance at sea, then it's worse than Tarantul. Tarantul is 10 days, KCR-60 is 9 days worth of endurance at sea.
As you said, our seas are vast. So why are we ( TNI-AL ) still ordering KCR-60?
Very impressive. We do design & built our patrol boat by ourselves, yet the production cost still exceed 10 Million. I can only compare your TT400, 54meter patrol boat to Indonesian, 60 meter patrol boat, since we don't have 54 meter patrol boat.