Indonesia Defence Forum

NEKONEKO · Oct 14, 2020

Nike said:
Escort of Danrem 172/PWY View attachment 679266 View attachment 679267 View attachment 679268 View attachment 679269 View attachment 679270 View attachment 679271

This vehicle is the best option there, its just that it lack protection.

Nike · Oct 14, 2020

NEKONEKO said:
This vehicle is the best option there, its just that it lack protection.

I bet something like Komodo or SSE P2 can do much better jobs. But yeah, Hilux is much easier to be maintained

Jatosint · Oct 14, 2020

Nike said:
Turkish Defence Companies Survey Indonesian Warships for Possible Upgrade Opportunities

13 Oktober 2020

Diponegoro class and Bung Tomo class (photo : Radialv)

A delegation of Turkish defence industry officials has arrived in Indonesia to survey nine Indonesian Navy (Tentara Nasional Indonesia – Angkatan Laut: TNI-AL) warships, and assess the suitability of each of the platforms for weapon upgrades.
The delegation, which consists mostly of engineers and executives from Aselsan, arrived at the headquarters of Armada II in Surabaya on 12 October for two days of surveys. Also present in the delegation are officials from defence software company, Havelsan, and Turkish shipbuilder, STM.
These surveys were followed by a meeting with state-owned shipbuilder PT PAL on 13 October, an industry source has informed Janes .
The delegation will then proceed with a visit to the headquarters of Armada in Tanjung Priok, North Jakarta, on 14 October to continue with its survey of the selected warships, and this will be followed by meetings with state-owned defence electronics company PT Len, and private shipbuilders PT Daya Radar Utama (DRU) and PT Tesco Indomaritim.

KRI Oswald Siahaan, Ahmad Yani class (photo : TNI AL)
9 major surface combatant ship
Documents provided to Janes indicate that the warships being surveyed are namely the TNI-AL’s entire fleet of four Diponegoro-class corvettes (365–368), three Ahmad Yani-class frigates, KRI Yos Sudarso (353), KRI Oswald Siahaan (354), KRI Abdul Halim Perdanakusuma (355), and two Bung Tomo-class corvettes, KRI Bung Tomo (357) and KRI John Lie (358).
Among the objectives of the survey are to determine the structural condition and electrical infrastructure of each warship, and to recommend if the vessels can be armed with weapons such as the Aselsan SMASH 30 mm remote-controlled weapon station (RCWS).
(Jane's)

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So if it did happen, there will be two versions of Bung Tomo Class? Two which are upgraded by Turkey and one by French

https://twitter.com/x/status/1237537706776743936

Nike · Oct 14, 2020

Kunjungan Danrem 172

120 mm cal mortar M1913

Nike · Oct 14, 2020

Indonesian soldiers leave for military exercise in Fort Polk, US
13th Oct 2020 22:18

Jakarta (ANTARA) - Chief of Staff of the Indonesian Army, General Andika Perkasa, saw off a group of soldiers who will undergo a joint military exercise with the US Army in Fort Polk, Louisiana, the United States.

“We want to officially send our troops to train at Fort Polk. I think this is one of the biggest moments in the bilateral relationship between the US Army and the Indonesian Army,” Perkasa said in a statement issued here on Tuesday.

The ceremony marking the soldiers’ departure was held at the Army Headquarters in Central Jakarta, and attended by a representative of the US Army, attached to the US embassy in Jakarta.

"I believe this (training arrangement) will continue; we will prepare for the next one; next year maybe we will send more," Perkasa said.

A total of 125 Indonesian Army soldiers will participate in the joint training activity at the Joint Readiness Training Center (JRTC), Fort Polk.

The soldiers have passed COVID-19 swab tests, in compliance with the applicable health protocol standards.

The military training at the JRTC is aimed at helping the soldiers hone their abilities in planning strategies and implementing the shoot, move, and communicate training process.

The JRTC at Fort Polk is one of the three combat training centers in the US, in addition to the Joint Multinational Readiness Center and the National Training Center. The three centers, along with the Mission Command Training Program, fall under the U.S. Army's Combat Training Center Program.

The center focuses on improving unit readiness by providing highly realistic, stressful, joint and combined arms training across the full spectrum of conflict, current and future.

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Translated by: Boyke LW, Fardah
Editor: Rahmad Nasution

https://en.antaranews.com/news/1588...s-leave-for-military-exercise-in-fort-polk-us

Gundala · Oct 14, 2020

Jatosint said:
So if it did happen, there will be two versions of Bung Tomo Class? Two which are upgraded by Turkey and one by French

Seperti yg dibilang Prabowo; matra boleh kasih spec tech tapi yg menentukan merk dll ya dephan. We will see if he also consider the training/logistic/commonality or not. This last couple years Navy seems to be having their direction by stoping/reducing their "gado-gado" menu. Lets just hope our Dephan doesnt put gado-gado menu back on the table

Nike · Oct 14, 2020

Turkish system working alongside NATO standard, it just baffled me on how they must cooperate with some Greeks reps. to integrate the system

umigami · Oct 14, 2020

Nike said:
Turkish system working alongside NATO standard, it just baffled me on how they must cooperate with some Greeks reps. to integrate the system

Just like what @Chestnut Said, to integrate link 16, link y, and local made link??

Chestnut said:
Both.

What I get from that Tweet is that the Indonesian Government wants the code so they can do the integration themselves with LEN. Which is stupid and isn't going to happen.

No one is going to be willing to give source code for that, be they Russian, Chinese, American, or European. The best they can do is send an LOR to the respective governments and SCYTALIS (as a NATO vendor) would do the integration work after signing the appropriate NDA/gag orders so as to protect confidential technologies.

Chestnut said:
That the thing.

The respective governments involved would appoint a third party (in this case SCYTALIS) to do the integration work and each government would individually assess that third party to make sure that none of the respective confidential technologies would be leaked to the other parties, be it through an NDA/gag order, security check, etc.

Remember that TDL's only work with their own TDL's. Meaning Link 16 can only fully integrate with Link 16 and Link Y with Link Y. So obviously you're going to need a common denominator that can take all that data and share it with both. Which is where SCYTALIS comes in.

If things goes well, then they would all allow SCYTALIS to work on their respective TDL's and create a universal common link that allows them to partly talk to one another through a common denominator (like an AWACS or a C2 center). If not, then the proposal gets revoked.

This is why you see that linking different data-links together works for some countries (South Korea, NATO, Australia, Singapore) yet fails with others (India, Malaysia, Egypt, etc.). The US would understandably be more palatable in allowing their Link 11/16/22 to share data with a European data-link such as Link Y or MANDRIL through a "translator" as compared to a Russian or Chinese data-link.

Chestnut said:
Because you still need a TDL for things that don't require Link 16 or Link Y integration. For example smaller patrol boats or tactical/armored vehicles. That's where the proposed LEN link comes in.

For the most part, you only need Link 16/Link Y for assets that you know are going to work with close cooperation with our "NOT ALLIES" in the region such as Australia, Singapore, and the United States.

Things such as F-16's, AWACS, MPA's, AAW frigates, Corvettes, Submarines, Ospreys, Apaches, MRAD/HIMAD IADS systems, and GCI/Surveillance radars are obviously going to be more at play with each other when it comes to multinational force compatibility thus would require a Link 16/Link Y TDL unit.

Whereas things such as Leopards, CEASARS, Bell 412's, Fennecs, Komodos, Anoas, VSHORADS/SHORAD etc can simply have a partly enclosed indigenous TDL shared within their own local battle space. For example, you really don't need a full Link 16 TDL unit on a Komodo with a Mistral launcher since it's going to be rather expensive and you can simply share that data to say, an AWACS with a JTAC/TACP or a C2 center.

Again, that's where the proposed LEN link comes in. LEN link to my best guess is supposed to link up all the other "dumber" assets that doesn't need Link 16/Link Y capability. This is similar in scheme to the South Korean Link-K.

Korea develops indigenous tactical data link

www.koreatimes.co.kr

What SCYLATIS is doing is simply creating a central node that can process all the data that is being given out by the different data-link networks together. Similar to what they did in Korea and Japan. And again, this is all subject to the approval of all the different governments involved.

Now I don't know who AH is talking to. But if the person he was talking to is implying that there are people in the government that are demanding that PT LEN be the integrator as opposed to SCYLATIS, then it's going to fail miserably. You're going to need a neutral third party with a certain criteria in order to link all these different networks together. And with LEN being a state owned company, they already fail in that criteria.

However, if it is simply attempting to integrate LEN link onto the wider National Data Link network. Then that is going to be subject of:

i.) Who are the sub contractors.

ii.) Where were the components made.

iii.) How secure is the network.

Edit: And before anyone asks, NO, you can't use a LEN link TDL on a Flanker. The Russians aren't going to give us the source codes for the Myech/Irbis-E radar no matter how many times we ask. Stop being cringe.

umigami · Oct 14, 2020

Nike said:
Turkish system working alongside NATO standard, it just baffled me on how they must cooperate with some Greeks reps. to integrate the system

Looking at their politic and leader now. Honestly I don't want to entrust them something so strategic and critical like our C4ISR.

Nike · Oct 14, 2020

umigami said:
Looking at their politic and leader now. Honestly I don't want to entrust them something so strategic and critical like our C4ISR.

That's why we got Greeks in which more matured politically there to taking the integration jobs

NEKONEKO · Oct 14, 2020

Jatosint said:
Can't wait to see the footage of the scenario

https://twitter.com/x/status/1314880633965928449

Nike said:
Indonesian soldiers leave for military exercise in Fort Polk, US
13th Oct 2020 22:18

Jakarta (ANTARA) - Chief of Staff of the Indonesian Army, General Andika Perkasa, saw off a group of soldiers who will undergo a joint military exercise with the US Army in Fort Polk, Louisiana, the United States.

“We want to officially send our troops to train at Fort Polk. I think this is one of the biggest moments in the bilateral relationship between the US Army and the Indonesian Army,” Perkasa said in a statement issued here on Tuesday.

The ceremony marking the soldiers’ departure was held at the Army Headquarters in Central Jakarta, and attended by a representative of the US Army, attached to the US embassy in Jakarta.

"I believe this (training arrangement) will continue; we will prepare for the next one; next year maybe we will send more," Perkasa said.

A total of 125 Indonesian Army soldiers will participate in the joint training activity at the Joint Readiness Training Center (JRTC), Fort Polk.

The soldiers have passed COVID-19 swab tests, in compliance with the applicable health protocol standards.

The military training at the JRTC is aimed at helping the soldiers hone their abilities in planning strategies and implementing the shoot, move, and communicate training process.

The JRTC at Fort Polk is one of the three combat training centers in the US, in addition to the Joint Multinational Readiness Center and the National Training Center. The three centers, along with the Mission Command Training Program, fall under the U.S. Army's Combat Training Center Program.

The center focuses on improving unit readiness by providing highly realistic, stressful, joint and combined arms training across the full spectrum of conflict, current and future.

Related news: Naval ships perform drill to boost surveillance, war capability
Related news: Paratroopers jump drill in Papua observed by military, police chiefs

Translated by: Boyke LW, Fardah
Editor: Rahmad Nasution

https://en.antaranews.com/news/1588...s-leave-for-military-exercise-in-fort-polk-us

Ni kontingen TNI keberangkatannya dipisah jadi 2 kloter gitu?