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[¿Por qué?]

Apache can use stinger actually.
And why bother about their A to A capability?
it's not even their purpose.
HellFire? Apache can use it too..
Hydra pod? Apache's is bigger.
Longbow radar? Cobra don't have something like that.
Apache guardian can fly higher too because of stronger engine.

Dude, I'm not against Apache. I want Apache AND Viper.

Let the army use Apache and the Navy use Viper.

 

[NEKONEKO]

*Let the army use Apache and the Navy use Apache.

 

[Gundala]

Wondering why we're never interested in either AH-1Z Viper or AH-1 SuperCobra. Especially now we're said to be interested to buy LDH

Its not that we are not interested in Viper/Cobra, it simply not a priority for now. With current condition even the marine might as well use Apache for their air support roles (future apache drone control capability, more advanced systems etc). And while we might be interested in getting LDH, the role of the LDH would be put more towards transport support rather then air support. Tho afaik Viper cost far less then Apache, but to me we must be prepared for future tech war, with apache there are more room to impove and adapt for future challange compare to current Viper.

 

[¿Por qué?]

*Let the army use Apache and the Navy use Apache.

Its not that we are not interested in Viper/Cobra, it simply not a priority for now. With current condition even the marine might as well use Apache for their air support roles (future apache drone control capability, more advanced systems etc). And while we might be interested in getting LDH, the role of the LDH would be put more towards transport support rather then air support. Tho afaik Viper cost far less then Apache, but to me we must be prepared for future tech war, with apache there are more room to impove and adapt for future challange compare to current Viper.

I believe you need to modify Apache to function better in maritime environment.

I know there's a naval version of Apache but I'm not sure who operates it. Royal Navy maybe.

 

[Raduga]

Apache can use stinger actually.
And why bother about their A to A capability?
it's not even their purpose.
HellFire? Apache can use it too..
Hydra pod? Apache's is bigger.
Longbow radar? Cobra don't have something like that.
Apache guardian can fly higher too because of stronger engine.

more than that , apache have more brain/processing room for their future implementation , simply a smartphone of gunship

New Army technology enables simultaneous multiple drone control

• BY KRIS OSBORN
• JUL 06, 2017

The Army has developed technology which enables drone air commanders to operate and view the real-time video feeds of multiple drones for helicopter crews simultaneously, improving existing service Manned-Unmanned Teaming (MUM-T), service officials said.

The emerging technology expands upon currently operational MUM-T that allows Apache and Kiowa helicopter crews to view real-time feeds from nearby drones while also controlling the sensor payload.

The new system, called Supervisory Controller for Optimal Role Allocation for Cueing of Human Operators (SCORCH), takes this technology a step further by giving in-flight helicopter crews an ability to view multiple drone feeds simultaneously.

"SCORCH is a system consisting of intelligent UAS autonomous behaviors and an advanced user interface that allows a single operator to effectively control up to three UAS simultaneously," said Dr. Grant Taylor, Aviation Development Directorate Engineering Research Psychologist.

Service innovators, working with the Army Aviation and Missile Research, Development and Engineering Center (AMRDEC), said that new interfaces are part of a long-term Army project aimed at advancing sensor-to-shooter time for helicopter attack missions.

The most recent operational MUM-T technology, called Level 4 LOI (Level of Interoperability 4), has been used with great success in Afghanistan by the 1-229th Attack Reconnaissance Battalion.

Level 4 LOI MUM-T enables AH-64E Apaches and OH-58 Kiowas to control the flight path and sensor payload of Army Shadow and Gray Eagle drones.

An Army official working on drone technological development told Defense Systems “MUM-T Operations are made possible by the introduction of a standardized interoperability protocol supporting video/data transmissions between ground-manned-unmanned platforms. This manned-unmanned network allows for the handoff of payload control, receiving and transmitting of real-time streaming video and manned pilots to control unmanned aircraft.”

 

[umigami]

Have you wondered why US and China, two big country pioneer in the use of UCAV and swarm drones and the anti Drone capability keep developing advanced Attack Helicopter the likes of Viper, Apache and so on?


Not far from what they formulated lately, ex F-16 Norway will be acquired along with Typhoon ex Austrian, meanwhile they want to get F-35 as nodes or playmaker in the field. The Air Force will trying to get on hand P8A Poseidon and require them more as ISTAR platform meanwhile Navy P8A will be worked more on ASW/ASuW platform. From the Turkey, they keep demanding the EW version of ANKA and some UCAV technology will be implemented on Black Eagle. The Army will get their hand on more Apache to get the work in tandem with AirForce assets like F-16 and some UAV we will acquire in near future, thus Chinook and V22 Osprey will be worked as part of Spec Ops units mobility tools working with our C4ISR units.

Even Jokowi rather get shocked to see how much damage can be delivered by precision technology at rather very short times. Thus when seeing on how lack we are in the platform number and key technology he put his trust on Prabowo to aleviate the ailment on our Armed Forces.

Regarding AF that want to use a maritime patrol aircraft for something else, I felt a little bit worry and doubt about its capabilities for that role.

Until I found out US and UK consider to acquiring more Poseidon to replace their ISTAR.
They need to be equipped with AAS pod though.

 

[Nike]

This should be under consideration of our Armed Forces planner,

https://twitter.com/x/status/1315948722690371584

 

[¿Por qué?]

more than that , apache have more brain/processing room for their future implementation , simply a smartphone of gunship

New Army technology enables simultaneous multiple drone control

• BY KRIS OSBORN
• JUL 06, 2017

The Army has developed technology which enables drone air commanders to operate and view the real-time video feeds of multiple drones for helicopter crews simultaneously, improving existing service Manned-Unmanned Teaming (MUM-T), service officials said.

The emerging technology expands upon currently operational MUM-T that allows Apache and Kiowa helicopter crews to view real-time feeds from nearby drones while also controlling the sensor payload.

The new system, called Supervisory Controller for Optimal Role Allocation for Cueing of Human Operators (SCORCH), takes this technology a step further by giving in-flight helicopter crews an ability to view multiple drone feeds simultaneously.

"SCORCH is a system consisting of intelligent UAS autonomous behaviors and an advanced user interface that allows a single operator to effectively control up to three UAS simultaneously," said Dr. Grant Taylor, Aviation Development Directorate Engineering Research Psychologist.

Service innovators, working with the Army Aviation and Missile Research, Development and Engineering Center (AMRDEC), said that new interfaces are part of a long-term Army project aimed at advancing sensor-to-shooter time for helicopter attack missions.

The most recent operational MUM-T technology, called Level 4 LOI (Level of Interoperability 4), has been used with great success in Afghanistan by the 1-229th Attack Reconnaissance Battalion.

Level 4 LOI MUM-T enables AH-64E Apaches and OH-58 Kiowas to control the flight path and sensor payload of Army Shadow and Gray Eagle drones.

An Army official working on drone technological development told Defense Systems “MUM-T Operations are made possible by the introduction of a standardized interoperability protocol supporting video/data transmissions between ground-manned-unmanned platforms. This manned-unmanned network allows for the handoff of payload control, receiving and transmitting of real-time streaming video and manned pilots to control unmanned aircraft.”

What you're referring to most probably is version 4.0.

The maritime capability upgrade for Apache will only available in version 6.0.

U.S. Army scheduled to finish version 6.0 upgrade for all of their AH-64E only in 2026.

Considering there are already around 500 AH-64E total up to now, and many more in 2026, our own AH-64E would probably getting maritime capability upgrade in 2030-2035.

So up to that tentative year, our AH-64E will have no maritime capability upgrade.

 

[Ravager]

This should be under consideration of our Armed Forces planner,

https://twitter.com/x/status/1315948722690371584

Talking about social distancing benefits in the strictest sense of the word . Well , papua could be the pilot project should we ever implement surgical precission target run...
Then again .... It's 4 pajero's worth of missile we talking about here . Do you think that worth it ??!

 

[Nike]

Like hell Navy should procure dedicated land attack helicopters, meanwhile they are right now severely lacking in number adequate utility helicopters and organic units for many warships we had. TNI AL right now had around five LPD, with each capable to carry around two to three helicopters, we got five Van Speijk class, four Diponegoro class, three Bung Tomo class and two Martadinata class. To complementary the number, Navy needs more than 30 ASW or utility helicopters not to mention land units for the Navy and other (like VIP and Medevac use along with CSAR) that's can easily shot up the number to more than 50 ASW and utilities. What we got right now not even touch half of what TNI AL needed!!!

Talking about social distancing benefits in the strictest sense of the word . Well , papua could be the pilot project should we ever implement surgical precission target run...
Then again .... It's 4 pajero's worth of missile we talking about here . Do you think that worth it ??!

I think it is worth for the security they granted

 

[Being-Art]

Have you wondered why US and China, two big country pioneer in the use of UCAV and swarm drones and the anti Drone capability keep developing advanced Attack Helicopter the likes of Viper, Apache and so on?


Not far from what they formulated lately, ex F-16 Norway will be acquired along with Typhoon ex Austrian, meanwhile they want to get F-35 as nodes or playmaker in the field. The Air Force will trying to get on hand P8A Poseidon and require them more as ISTAR platform meanwhile Navy P8A will be worked more on ASW/ASuW platform. From the Turkey, they keep demanding the EW version of ANKA and some UCAV technology will be implemented on Black Eagle. The Army will get their hand on more Apache to get the work in tandem with AirForce assets like F-16 and some UAV we will acquire in near future, thus Chinook and V22 Osprey will be worked as part of Spec Ops units mobility tools working with our C4ISR units.

Even Jokowi rather get shocked to see how much damage can be delivered by precision technology at rather very short times. Thus when seeing on how lack we are in the platform number and key technology he put his trust on Prabowo to aleviate the ailment on our Armed Forces.

F-16 EDA most likely from US, not Norway. because the Norwegian F-16's age is quite old and has more flight hours than our F-16

 

[Nike]

F-16 EDA most likely from US, not Norway. because the Norwegian F-16's age is quite old and has more flight hours than our F-16

It just my Sekupang

Army seems serious to reform their cohorts

 

[umigami]

Bell to begin building 360 Invictus imminently

Is that our flag?

 

[Ravager]

It just my Sekupang

Army seems serious to reform their cohorts

Beside Gatot most of the chiefs were a big fan of modernization and tactical reform . It's just too much old hands stills scrambling in the cookie's jar .. one way or another it take times to erode the old habits and political mindset tradition .

 

[Nike]

Escort of Danrem 172/PWY