Indonesia Defence Forum

[Kansel]

Looks like we misunderstood each other. I'm asking about F35.

Dunno, there's no fixed number till the contract is implemented

 

[umigami]

Dunno, there's no fixed number till the contract is implemented

Well, let's hope they are sane enough to include Viper (or at least Falcon) for quantity aspect.

 

[Kansel]

This news is better than the one i posted before

Prabowo's US mission
Editorial Board
The Jakarta Post

Jakarta

Jakarta / Tue, October 13, 2020 / 08:11 am


Indonesian Defense Minister Prabowo Subianto waves toward journalists as President Joko “Jokowi” Widodo (unseen) unveils his new Cabinet on the steps of Merdeka Palace in Jakarta on Oct. 23, 2019.(JP/Seto Wardhana)


After having long been banned from entering the United States for alleged human rights violations, Defense Minister Prabowo Subianto is finally heading to the country for a working visit on Oct. 1519, upon invitation from his US counterpart Mark Esper. The request implies that Washington is willing to put aside all past problems to forge closer cooperation with Indonesia, amid Washington’s bid to maintain a foothold in Asia and the Pacific vis-à-vis a rising China. The invitation is designed to further discussions on bilateral defense cooperation.

In addition to various aspects of cooperation, it is widely speculated the visit will seal a deal on American-made major weapon systems (alutsista) to modernize the Indonesian Military (TNI), which is in the third strategic plan (Renstra) of the so-called Minimum Essential Force.

The first Renstra covered the 2009-20014 period. By the end of the second Renstra in 2019, the achievement was only 63.19 percent, compared with the targeted 75.54 percent. So, the government is forced to achieve a further 36.81 percent to reach completion by 2024.

There are several reasons for the shortfall, such as the absence of major alutsista procurements in the second Renstra, or difficulties in acquiring certain weapons systems, such as Russian-made Sukhoi Su-35 heavy jet fighters.

The US is using the Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA) to persuade Indonesia to abandon the Sukhoi contract and to instead buy American warplanes, in line with President Donald Trump’s slogans of “Buy American” and “Make America Great Again”. The Air Force has already revealed a plan to buy two squadrons of F-16 Vipers.

While some parties at home have expressed the hope that Indonesia will buy the F-35 Lightning II stealth jet fighters, it is still an impossibility because Jakarta has not forged an alliance with Washington.

Meanwhile, the Army has shown its interest in the MV22 Osprey tiltrotor hybrid aircraft, although no official request has been made. The Army already operates US-made AH-64E Apache Guardian attack helicopters.

Whatever armaments deal Prabowo may sign during his visit, it must involve local defense companies as stipulated in the Defense Industry Law, such as transfers-of-technology or offset schemes.

It will be a tough sell for Prabowo to get a deal benefiting Indonesian defense companies because Washington seldom provides such opportunities to countries outside its network of allies. Nevertheless, the US may want Indonesia to shift to Washington a bit when facing China, whose “nine-dash line” claim overlaps with Indonesia’s exclusive economic zone (EEZ) in the North Natuna Sea, on the southern fringe of the South China Sea.

While Indonesia is not a claimant in the South China Sea disputes, and has no territorial disputes with China, there were repeated skirmishes on the EEZ between them.

Perhaps the Navy and the Maritime Security Agency (Bakamla) can become the recipients of Washington’s arms transfers, despite Bakamla not being under Prabowo’s purview. Shifting to Washington, however, may prove a headache for Indonesian policymakers who have a large bet on Beijing’s success in its economic development.

As former vice president Mohammad Hatta once said, Indonesia will have to carefully row between two reefs.

Prabowo's US mission - The Jakarta Post

www.thejakartapost.com

As long as we can guarantee US that we won't ally against China i guess F35 is a pass from them

 

[Nike]

Well, let's hope they are sane enough to include Viper (or at least Falcon) for quantity aspect.

They prefer second hand F16 compared to the new ones

 

[Fl0gger]

Ya rumor nya f.16 gurun upgrade setara viper dan f.35 lalu osprey. titipan nya apache, chinok, dan blackhawk ndak ada shornet atau super eagels poseidon masih harus ketemu kawasaki p1 yg repot paketan airbus simalakama dan jgn lupa kredit dr prancis. well it's just rumor's and for the chinese...it mr.prime minister busines

 

[Raduga]

how many surplus C/D gurun variants are readily available in US stock though ?

 

[Indos]

No more Apache please, it is drone era already. Better we focus with our own black eagle MALE UCAV development.

 

[NEKONEKO]

No more Apache please, it is drone era already. Better we focus with our own black eagle MALE UCAV development.

No

 

[Raduga]

No more Apache please, it is drone era already. Better we focus with our own black eagle MALE UCAV development.

that's totally 2 different thing......

 

[Ravager]

If really talk about a real bargain deal then i could also ask for 2 full squad of upgradable gurun to viper equivalent and 1 squad of F 35 plus 2 squad of chinook + 6 V 22 ...

Wether that were a wet dream or not it's just my whimsical wishes !! But , we live in the realistic world so just cross our finger and wait shall we ..

Just like mang ujang used to say to me ...

Kenyataan jarang nongkrong bareng dengan keinginan .

 

[Nike]

No more Apache please, it is drone era already. Better we focus with our own black eagle MALE UCAV development.

Have you wondered why US and China, two big country pioneer in the use of UCAV and swarm drones and the anti Drone capability keep developing advanced Attack Helicopter the likes of Viper, Apache and so on?

If really talk about a real bargain deal then i could also ask for 2 full squad of upgradable gurun to viper equivalent and 1 squad of F 35 plus 2 squad of chinook + 6 V 22 ...

Wether that were a wet dream or not it's just my whimsical wishes !! But , we live in the realistic world so just cross our finger and wait shall we ..

Just like mang ujang used to say to me ...

Kenyataan jarang nongkrong bareng dengan keinginan .

Not far from what they formulated lately, ex F-16 Norway will be acquired along with Typhoon ex Austrian, meanwhile they want to get F-35 as nodes or playmaker in the field. The Air Force will trying to get on hand P8A Poseidon and require them more as ISTAR platform meanwhile Navy P8A will be worked more on ASW/ASuW platform. From the Turkey, they keep demanding the EW version of ANKA and some UCAV technology will be implemented on Black Eagle. The Army will get their hand on more Apache to get the work in tandem with AirForce assets like F-16 and some UAV we will acquire in near future, thus Chinook and V22 Osprey will be worked as part of Spec Ops units mobility tools working with our C4ISR units.

Even Jokowi rather get shocked to see how much damage can be delivered by precision technology at rather very short times. Thus when seeing on how lack we are in the platform number and key technology he put his trust on Prabowo to aleviate the ailment on our Armed Forces.

 

[NEKONEKO]

Foreign force behind chaotic protests over Job Creation Law: Prabowo

Defense Minister Prabowo Subianto says foreign interference is behind the series of nationwide rallies against the Job Creation Law and called out protesters for falling for disinformation.

Foreign force behind chaotic protests over Job Creation Law: Prabowo - The Jakarta Post

www.thejakartapost.com

 

[Ravager]

Have you wondered why US and China, two big country pioneer in the use of UCAV and swarm drones and the anti Drone capability keep developing advanced Attack Helicopter the likes of Viper, Apache and so on?


Not far from what they formulated lately, ex F-16 Norway will be acquired along with Typhoon ex Austrian, meanwhile they want to get F-35 as nodes or playmaker in the field. The Air Force will trying to get on hand P8A Poseidon and require them more as ISTAR platform meanwhile Navy P8A will be worked more on ASW/ASuW platform. From the Turkey, they keep demanding the EW version of ANKA and some UCAV technology will be implemented on Black Eagle. The Army will get their hand on more Apache to get the work in tandem with AirForce assets like F-16 and some UAV we will acquire in near future, thus Chinook and V22 Osprey will be worked as part of Spec Ops units mobility tools working with our C4ISR units.

Even Jokowi rather get shocked to see how much damage can be delivered by precision technology at rather very short times. Thus when seeing on how lack we are in the platform number and key technology he put his trust on Prabowo to aleviate the ailment on our Armed Forces.

Hmm ... Atleast some good news that i could appreciates . While bit and pieces are all over the places . Pulling some turk's edging techs could also stirr some troubled water that get deadlocked for a while .

Thanks for the info there .

 

[umigami]

No more Apache please, it is drone era already. Better we focus with our own black eagle MALE UCAV development.

Inconsequential babbling as always huh...

Have you wondered why US and China, two big country pioneer in the use of UCAV and swarm drones and the anti Drone capability keep developing advanced Attack Helicopter the likes of Viper, Apache and so on?


Not far from what they formulated lately, ex F-16 Norway will be acquired along with Typhoon ex Austrian, meanwhile they want to get F-35 as nodes or playmaker in the field. The Air Force will trying to get on hand P8A Poseidon and require them more as ISTAR platform meanwhile Navy P8A will be worked more on ASW/ASuW platform. From the Turkey, they keep demanding the EW version of ANKA and some UCAV technology will be implemented on Black Eagle. The Army will get their hand on more Apache to get the work in tandem with AirForce assets like F-16 and some UAV we will acquire in near future, thus Chinook and V22 Osprey will be worked as part of Spec Ops units mobility tools working with our C4ISR units.

Even Jokowi rather get shocked to see how much damage can be delivered by precision technology at rather very short times. Thus when seeing on how lack we are in the platform number and key technology he put his trust on Prabowo to aleviate the ailment on our Armed Forces.

WHAT? Austrian Typhoon still on table?
I thought they'll forget the idea if they acquire JSF...

Our president is a military antusias too?
Ngikutin juga dia berita2 kayak gitu?

 

[Ravager]

Inconsequential babbling as always huh...

WHAT? Austrian Typhoon still on table?
I thought they'll forget the idea if they acquire JSF...

Our president is a military antusias too?
Ngikutin juga dia berita2 kayak gitu?

You are running a country here . Every litle thing that could potentialy threatening our litle paradise must be analyze and dealt with accordingly ... Every bit of it ...