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I still dont know if it's for different procurement or PKR next batch, but they offer us belharra design againReally? Thats a serious contender for the Sigma 10514 then?
Kinda, they actually already offered this in 2017 and the first purpose is for our heavy frigate tender (eventho they bring FREMM in the end instead) but our MoD in that time doesn't have any interest on acquiring that.do they offered it as part of 30$ billion soft loan ?
Chestnut already made some points on your thoughts about it which I agree as well. Now pls allow me to add my thoughts. First of all we should see the intended role we have on F16V. For example; if its meant to be a workhorse/patrol duty do we really need double engine? So basically it started from the role intended then goes to tech spec, price, and so on.I'm not sure about the price, but in terms of capability, are you sure preferring F-16V than Rafale?
Well, still US has the ace cards they could play. We might go Europe on some small to moderate scale, but on a large pot such as 2 ska purchase Im pretty sure US will play all their cards on the table. After all using good cards on small/moderate bet isnt wise right?European arms dealer is well known to be generous for their "consultation fees" and that's killing me literally to open and break their monopoly
So you're essentially saying that it was okay that the Indonesian government stepped out of line and silenced foreign journalists by murdering them. Because let's be real, that was the tipping point. The Clinton administration didn't really care about our policies in East Timor as they were more concerned about keeping us as a close ally. It was the fact that the TNI murdered foreign journalists that threw them past the point of foreign understanding from an Indonesian point of view.
Well Im done being nice to them. Most of you prolly miss it, but if you looking closely at their political leaders speech on how they put Indonesia as inferior nation/race when they comparing the two nations you might get the idea. I just dont get it, their govt even worried when Malaysian people fancy Indonesian artists more then their own. Long long time ago I even heard about how they try to limit how many Indonesian songs can be played in one Radio station per day@Jatosint may I post your twit here?
You know what saudara serumpun ku tersayang, our TNI now isn't the same with TNI 15 years ago!
Well Im done being nice to them. Most of you prolly miss it, but if you looking closely at their political leaders speech on how they put Indonesia as inferior nation/race when they comparing the two nations you might get the idea. I just dont get it, their govt even worried when Malaysian people fancy Indonesian artists more then their own. Long long time ago I even heard about how they try to limit how many Indonesian songs can be played in one Radio station per day
Another "back then" event was how their former PM "bragged" about having scorpene and told us not to worry, the funny party is we didnt even made any statement regarding them having the subs. All my life I never seen Indonesia making a formal statement about our own neighbor defense procurement even if its consider a big purchase, its just not us.
So I have the tendency to reply "serumpun my ***" whenever I hear/read the word serumpun
I dont hate the people, I hate their govt policy and how their intention to make their people think that they are Superior Melayu by "down grading" us...
Always has been.political leaders speech on how they put Indonesia as inferior nation/race when they comparing the two nations
The talk about which fighter we should buy, had been done here too many Times, so im just gonna sum it:
1. F-16v, because commonality, our experience with f16, learning curve towards F35 in the future.
2. Su 35, CAATSA, so don't even think about su 57. Unless you want to lose US, not just their military equipment, but our export too.
3. Rafale or Typhoon, expensive jets, it needs integration process to our existing fleet.
4. F35, yes, but probably in the future. Why ? The Lockheed Martin CEO said so.
I always wonder though, why there's people here that want to make an arm race between Spore, Aussie, and Indonesia ? They always talk about how we should be on par with those 2 country like they are our immediate enemy, well i don't think we'll never win an arm race with those two, and everyone knows why.
With our economy getting stronger, so did our millitary, and i believe surpassing singapore strength will be surpassed by us are in the near future, with Australia it will take 20 or 30 years, it depends on how we spend our defense budget and how we get rid off the leeches element on our purchasing plan (jangan lagi pembelian alutsista jadi sapi perahan oknum)well, i am one who believe Indonesia should have fire power equal or more larger than those two combined not today but in near future we should do so
Well me too, but don't think we can start to do it in near future. The politics in our military aquisition is just ridiculous. and the worse thing is, it has not got any better. On the other hand, looks like Aussie and Spore has this long term plan, which we don't have. Look at how we treat MEF, it changes all the time. One day you want pkr, now its not good enough, you want Iver. When we finish 2 Iver, i believe they Will move to another ship again.well, i am one who believe Indonesia should have fire power equal or more larger than those two combined not today but in near future we should do so
And we will talk about it again later, will be heated again maybe.The talk about which fighter we should buy, had been done here too many Times, so im just gonna sum it:
1. F-16v, because commonality, our experience with f16, learning curve towards F35 in the future.
2. Su 35, CAATSA, so don't even think about su 57. Unless you want to lose US, not just their military equipment, but our export too.
3. Rafale or Typhoon, expensive jets, it needs integration process to our existing fleet.
4. F35, yes, but probably in the future. Why ? The Lockheed Martin CEO said so.
I always wonder though, why there's people here that want to make an arm race between Spore, Aussie, and Indonesia ? They always talk about how we should be on par with those 2 country like they are our immediate enemy, well i don't think we'll never win an arm race with those two, and everyone knows why.
Look at how we treat MEF, it changes all the time. One day you want pkr, now its not good enough, you want Iver. When we finish 2 Iver, i believe they Will move to another ship again.
Well some changes were made due to threat projection and new requirements. Some change because we found out its "too expensive", and some just for silly reason. Its getting bit better tho.On the other hand, looks like Aussie and Spore has this long term plan, which we don't have. Look at how we treat MEF, it changes all the time.
Why on earth are you replying him??Lol yeah offer. What can you do if we dont feel like parlaying?