Indonesia Defence Forum

[Azull]

There's a recent tweet from Alman revealing on a move from mindef on a further cooperation with Turkey in regards with naval asset procurements. What intrigues me most is the mention that Indonesia is not satisfied with current TOT program. Wonder which one is it. Hopefully its not about iver. Most speculation leads to the sigma program. Will need to wait for it to unravel a bit more.

 

[Raduga]

There's a recent tweet from Alman revealing on a move from mindef on a further cooperation with Turkey in regards with naval asset procurements. What intrigues me most is the mention that Indonesia is not satisfied with current TOT program. Wonder which one is it. Hopefully its not about iver. Most speculation leads to the sigma program. Will need to wait for it to unravel a bit more.

kornas ? that means most likely we would shift into US naval weaponry sphere when it comes to turkey , since most of their naval armaments from anti ship to air defence missile are US based, MBDA lobbyist wont like it.

 

[Azull]

kornas ? that means most likely we would shift into US naval weaponry sphere when it comes to turkey , since most of their naval armaments from anti ship to air defence missile are US based, MBDA lobbyist wont like it.

Well, turkey has some nice Corvette or frigate program. The thing is i dont think it would be wise for us to go for US weapon system since all that we have on our naval system is EU oriented. It would create another logistical burden. Unless they only after the hull and decides to integrate european subsystem later on.

 

[Whizzack]

kornas ? that means most likely we would shift into US naval weaponry sphere when it comes to turkey , since most of their naval armaments from anti ship to air defence missile are US based, MBDA lobbyist wont like it.

Considering that Turkey can no longer export their T129s due to the US components in it, highly doubt that Turkey can export / share anything with us that contains any US components / technology either...

Actually looking at the current situation in Turkey, they might be having difficulties purchasing any major advanced alutsista from the western powers (US/EU) anyway... It seems that the US has quietly been blocking any new weapons sales to Turkey for the last 2 years.. The EU might not be that strict.. yet.. but with the current tensions between Turkey, France, Greece and their allies in the Mediterranean and North Africa... it might just be a matter of time..

 

[Being-Art]

Well, turkey has some nice Corvette or frigate program. The thing is i dont think it would be wise for us to go for US weapon system since all that we have on our naval system is EU oriented. It would create another logistical burden. Unless they only after the hull and decides to integrate european subsystem later on.

sensors and weaponry depend on the buyer, Pakistan's MILGEM has many differences in sensors and weaponry compared to Turkish MILGEM

 

[Nike]

I love to see Indonesia to cooperate with the Turks and they are the few with sincere attitude to co develop together, but Recep Tayip Erdogan erratic behavior lately is quite disturbing and his political tendency very dangerous for Turkey itself.

 

[Ruhnama]

Well, turkey has some nice Corvette or frigate program. The thing is i dont think it would be wise for us to go for US weapon system since all that we have on our naval system is EU oriented. It would create another logistical burden. Unless they only after the hull and decides to integrate european subsystem later on.

Maybe harpoon changed with atmaca, standard missile with Hisar and Siper. The question is VLS, using turks vls??
Also other system like iff etc. Likely cafrad system by aslsan

I love to see Indonesia to cooperate with the Turks and they are the few with sincere attitude to co develop together, but Recep Tayip Erdogan erratic behavior lately is quite disturbing and his political tendency very dangerous for Turkey itself.

Koedetaken sadja, silahken. Amanken oleh dewan djendral.
(Tapi ttp ga enak sih justru erdogannya itu daya tarik org kita jdi pro turki shift dri yg sblmnya pro arab atau iran, skrg punya patokan lain utk urusan timteng ya si turki ini, klo pro saudi dibilang wahabi, pro iran syiah yaudah ambil turki. Selama ini kan org sini anggep turki negara syaitan ataturk kapir ga kekubur harus dimasukin ke es batu baru dkubur dst...., sjk ada erdogan org indonesia mulai ada shift liaht turki jdi role model, dan... senjata mrk kbtulan booming beserta ertugrul, cinta musim cerry dsb wkwkwk)

Merdek !!

Considering that Turkey can no longer export their T129s due to the US components in it, highly doubt that Turkey can export / share anything with us that contains any US components / technology either...

Actually looking at the current situation in Turkey, they might be having difficulties purchasing any major advanced alutsista from the western powers (US/EU) anyway... It seems that the US has quietly been blocking any new weapons sales to Turkey for the last 2 years.. The EU might not be that strict.. yet.. but with the current tensions between Turkey, France, Greece and their allies in the Mediterranean and North Africa... it might just be a matter of time..

Turki cuman relly italia doang. Samp/t mrk lanjut tpi barengan ama italia tok

Merdeka !!!

 

[Azull]

sensors and weaponry depend on the buyer, Pakistan's MILGEM has many differences in sensors and weaponry compared to Turkish MILGEM

Agree on this. It would be great if we can install thales or hensoldt/terma based subsystem on turkish frigate hull and equip them with sylver vls incorporating Mica NG / CAMM-ER coupled with Aster 15/30 missiles for anti AAW and also MM40 Block 3/NSM for ASuW.

 

[Azull]

I love to see Indonesia to cooperate with the Turks and they are the few with sincere attitude to co develop together, but Recep Tayip Erdogan erratic behavior lately is quite disturbing and his political tendency very dangerous for Turkey itself.

Its very hard to predict erdogans intention really. His action seems to be rather impulsive. So far his action has made Turkey defence Industry and military suffer, some of their project has been postponed as they are still trying to look for substitute for the american sourced components in some of their hardware.

 

[NEKONEKO]

Indonesia, tanah airku
Tanah tumpah darahku

 

[Azull]

Maybe harpoon changed with atmaca, standard missile with Hisar and Siper. The question is VLS, using turks vls??
Also other system like iff etc. Likely cafrad system by aslsan


Koedetaken sadja, silahken. Amanken oleh dewan djendral.
(Tapi ttp ga enak sih justru erdogannya itu daya tarik org kita jdi pro turki shift dri yg sblmnya pro arab atau iran, skrg punya patokan lain utk urusan timteng ya si turki ini, klo pro saudi dibilang wahabi, pro iran syiah yaudah ambil turki. Selama ini kan org sini anggep turki negara syaitan ataturk kapir ga kekubur harus dimasukin ke es batu baru dkubur dst...., sjk ada erdogan org indonesia mulai ada shift liaht turki jdi role model, dan... senjata mrk kbtulan booming beserta ertugrul, cinta musim cerry dsb wkwkwk)

Merdek !!

Turki cuman relly italia doang. Samp/t mrk lanjut tpi barengan ama italia tok

Merdeka !!!

I think it would not be wise to add different type of missile system to our inventory. It would add more burden to our logistical chain. We can choose to install european system instead. Besides, any kind of cooperation with them would still be mandated by law to have the end product be build and completed here in Indonesia. Thats why i assume the cooperation would mainly consist on hull building and system integration only, hence we will be given the freedom to choose the weapon and subsystem fit to our needs.

 

[Azull]

Dirgahayu 75th years of Indonesian independence. May our country will always prosper and may God always grant peace to our country.

 

[antonius123]

That's not the point, the point is if indeed the statement "Russian aircrafts are now considered somewhat inferior to their Chinese counterparts" is true, then why did China bought the Su-35 with full understanding that the Russians will supply them with export models (which is of lesser capability than the domestic variants) because Russia themselves would have predicted China to try and reverse engineer the planes?

People reverse engineer technologies which are superior than their own, not the ones which are inferior than theirs.

4 good Reasons:

1. Greater diversity in its fleet - including the types of electronic warfare systems, air to air missiles and cruise missiles it deploys which makes the fleet far more versatile difficult to counter.
2. To protect indigenous fighter's radar signature from being learned by enemy
3. To pursue targeted quantity of the fighters, as engine production rate in China was not sufficient to build a lot J-11 required at that time.
   
4. TVC technology

At that time, Russian is superior in TVC technology. Dont know now.

 

[Ruhnama]

Kameren pakistan ultah dapet ucapan gikiran kita ultah juga dapet. Nih dari si aselsan

 

[umigami]

Deal! Prabowo Gandeng Scytalys Bangun Sistem Pertahanan RI
This is a pretty old news, but why it only surface in many local news now?
Suddenly they want inform public about the importance of network centric warfare?