Indonesia Defence Forum

[ardezzo]

Indonesia berpotensi diembargo sejumlah negara
Well, several country is involved in the EF project after all.
Tetep aja potensi embargo selalu ada mau beli senjatanya dari mana, karena yang ada itu ya kepetingan abadi bukan teman abadi.

melihat potensi konflik yg ada, paling mungkin dan dekat itu LCS
berarti senjata yg paling mungkin kena embargo itu justru buatan PRC and Ruskiye

 

[Raduga]

wait, the radar operator are kohanudnas but the missile operator are kostrad? that's two different chain of command. i still understand if it's fall to arhanud coz they will have "regimental" size radar, but kostrad?

that was what my source told , maybe there's some relation to the new Koopsudnas .

 

[NEKONEKO]

Ruskiye

Nah IMO its US and European that have higher possibility to slap embargoes on us for now.

 

[Chestnut]

So TBH said apparently we are at risk of being embargo if the purchase goes ahead? What and how exactly? Does anybody know?

Pretty sure he's talking out of his *** and is misconstruing the Su-35 with the Typhoons.

 

[Indos]

What it mean with TBH statements is that we should prioritize KFX/IFX program as the first step to reach independency, rather than buying imported fighter that can be embargoed and jeopardize KFX/IFX program. KFX still use many Western subsystem so it can be embargoed as well, but at least it is the step required to achieve independency in the future.

https://koran.tempo.co/read/nasiona...REGWJJ3RQBIq2dfS-XeHbR0HoldcMh75itjAomRiHxyrM

Relatively similar opinion with me.

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Sejumlah anggota Komisi Pertahanan Dewan Perwakilan Rakyat menyatakan penolakannya terhadap rencana Menteri Pertahanan Prabowo Subianto membeli pesawat tempur bekas asal Austria. Pembelian pesawat tempur jenis Eurofighter Thypoon itu dianggap berisiko merusak peta jalan kerja sama pembuatan pesawat tempur dengan Korea Selatan.

Anggota Komisi Pertahanan dari Fraksi Partai Demokrasi Indonesia Perjuangan, Tubagus Hasanuddin, menyatakan pemerintah Indonesia berpotensi diembargo sejumlah negara jika meneruskan ambisi membeli pesawat bekas dari Austria. "Kita sedang merintis prototype pesawat tempur melalui kerja sama KFX/IFX (Korea Fighter Xperiment/Indonesia Fighter Xperiment) yang seharusnya bisa dikembangkan," ucap Hasanuddin kepada

 

[Chestnut]

More like the soldier doesnt properly insert the magazine into the rifle body.

SS2 V1 Pindad test

SS2 V5 shooting

I have asked one Indonesian ex soldier about his experience using SS2, he just complain about the recoil to me. If I am not mistaken he used SS2 V1.

If you ever spent a significant amount of time around Pindad firearms, you'd know they are inherently terribly made copies. The problem with Pindad is QC. The soldiers I worked with with were pretty glad that the guns I was installing on the Leopards were American made 240's instead of Pindad made MAG's.

 

[trishna_amṛta]

>imagine being this obsessed about me

Nope. He merely attacking your stance, because procurement transparency is hurting his interest rather directly (if you get my gist here)

 

[mejikuhibiu]

What it mean with TBH statements is that we should prioritize KFX/IFX program as the first step to reach independency, rather than buying imported fighter that can be embargoed and jeopardize KFX/IFX program. KFX still use many Western subsystem so it can be embargoed as well, but at least it is the step required to achieve independency in the future.

https://koran.tempo.co/read/nasiona...REGWJJ3RQBIq2dfS-XeHbR0HoldcMh75itjAomRiHxyrM

Relatively similar opinion with me.

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Sejumlah anggota Komisi Pertahanan Dewan Perwakilan Rakyat menyatakan penolakannya terhadap rencana Menteri Pertahanan Prabowo Subianto membeli pesawat tempur bekas asal Austria. Pembelian pesawat tempur jenis Eurofighter Thypoon itu dianggap berisiko merusak peta jalan kerja sama pembuatan pesawat tempur dengan Korea Selatan.

Anggota Komisi Pertahanan dari Fraksi Partai Demokrasi Indonesia Perjuangan, Tubagus Hasanuddin, menyatakan pemerintah Indonesia berpotensi diembargo sejumlah negara jika meneruskan ambisi membeli pesawat bekas dari Austria. "Kita sedang merintis prototype pesawat tempur melalui kerja sama KFX/IFX (Korea Fighter Xperiment/Indonesia Fighter Xperiment) yang seharusnya bisa dikembangkan," ucap Hasanuddin kepada

DPR RI kagak mau EF sekenan..
Mau nya rafale buka bungkus..
Sales rafale lumayan strong jg di senayan..

 

[san.geuk]

DPR RI kagak mau EF sekenan..
Mau nya rafale buka bungkus..
Sales rafale lumayan strong jg di senayan..

Don't really care about what airfighters we gonna buy, as long is worth for the money and tni au get their aircraft

 

[Raduga]

https://www.cnbcindonesia.com/news/...rabowo-lirik-pesawat-tanpa-awak-made-in-turki

Diam-Diam Prabowo Lirik Pesawat Tanpa Awak Made in Turki

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Foto: Menteri Pertahanan RI Prabowo Subianto saat berkunjung ke Turki (Twitter @IsmailDemirSSB)

Jakarta, CNBC Indonesia - Menteri Pertahanan Republik Indonesia Letnan Jenderal TNI (Purn) Prabowo Subianto melakukan kunjungan kerja ke Turki, Rabu (22/7/2020).

Informasi itu diketahui dari unggahan Ketua Presidensi Industri Pertahanan Republik Turki Ismail Demir di akun Twitter pribadinya @IsmailDemirSSB seperti dikutip CNBC Indonesia, Kamis (23/7/2020).

"Kami mengadakan pertemuan dengan Menteri Pertahanan Indonesia Prabowo Subianto dan delegasinya," tulis Ismail.

Dalam pertemuan itu, dia mengungkapkan kedua pihak bertukar pandangan tentang kerja sama di berbagai bidang, terutama alat utama sistem persenjataan (alutsista) seperti pesawat tanpa awak (UAV/Unmanned Aircraft Vehicle) serta kendaraan tempur di laut.

Sebelumnya, Prabowo mengadakan kunjungan kerja ke Turki pada 27-29 November 2019. Saat itu, Prabowo juga bertemu Presiden Turki Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

Prabowo menyampaikan keinginan Indonesia memperkuat kerja sama pertahanan antara kedua negara. Sedangkan Erdogan menegaskan perhatian khusus Turki terhadap hubungannya dengan Indonesia, tidak terkecuali dalam kerja sama pertahanan.
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they're not satisfied with CH-4 ?

 

[Nike]

https://www.cnbcindonesia.com/news/...rabowo-lirik-pesawat-tanpa-awak-made-in-turki

Diam-Diam Prabowo Lirik Pesawat Tanpa Awak Made in Turki

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Foto: Menteri Pertahanan RI Prabowo Subianto saat berkunjung ke Turki (Twitter @IsmailDemirSSB)

Jakarta, CNBC Indonesia - Menteri Pertahanan Republik Indonesia Letnan Jenderal TNI (Purn) Prabowo Subianto melakukan kunjungan kerja ke Turki, Rabu (22/7/2020).

Informasi itu diketahui dari unggahan Ketua Presidensi Industri Pertahanan Republik Turki Ismail Demir di akun Twitter pribadinya @IsmailDemirSSB seperti dikutip CNBC Indonesia, Kamis (23/7/2020).

"Kami mengadakan pertemuan dengan Menteri Pertahanan Indonesia Prabowo Subianto dan delegasinya," tulis Ismail.

Dalam pertemuan itu, dia mengungkapkan kedua pihak bertukar pandangan tentang kerja sama di berbagai bidang, terutama alat utama sistem persenjataan (alutsista) seperti pesawat tanpa awak (UAV/Unmanned Aircraft Vehicle) serta kendaraan tempur di laut.

Sebelumnya, Prabowo mengadakan kunjungan kerja ke Turki pada 27-29 November 2019. Saat itu, Prabowo juga bertemu Presiden Turki Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

Prabowo menyampaikan keinginan Indonesia memperkuat kerja sama pertahanan antara kedua negara. Sedangkan Erdogan menegaskan perhatian khusus Turki terhadap hubungannya dengan Indonesia, tidak terkecuali dalam kerja sama pertahanan.
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they're not satisfied with CH-4 ?

They are technology demonstrator only

Actually we need to broaden our view about UAV technology, as China and Turkey is the only one besides USA and Israel who had quite mature technology in this field. As not even European countries is on par with their

 

[ardezzo]

https://www.cnbcindonesia.com/news/...rabowo-lirik-pesawat-tanpa-awak-made-in-turki

Diam-Diam Prabowo Lirik Pesawat Tanpa Awak Made in Turki

SHARE

Foto: Menteri Pertahanan RI Prabowo Subianto saat berkunjung ke Turki (Twitter @IsmailDemirSSB)

Jakarta, CNBC Indonesia - Menteri Pertahanan Republik Indonesia Letnan Jenderal TNI (Purn) Prabowo Subianto melakukan kunjungan kerja ke Turki, Rabu (22/7/2020).

Informasi itu diketahui dari unggahan Ketua Presidensi Industri Pertahanan Republik Turki Ismail Demir di akun Twitter pribadinya @IsmailDemirSSB seperti dikutip CNBC Indonesia, Kamis (23/7/2020).

"Kami mengadakan pertemuan dengan Menteri Pertahanan Indonesia Prabowo Subianto dan delegasinya," tulis Ismail.

Dalam pertemuan itu, dia mengungkapkan kedua pihak bertukar pandangan tentang kerja sama di berbagai bidang, terutama alat utama sistem persenjataan (alutsista) seperti pesawat tanpa awak (UAV/Unmanned Aircraft Vehicle) serta kendaraan tempur di laut.

Sebelumnya, Prabowo mengadakan kunjungan kerja ke Turki pada 27-29 November 2019. Saat itu, Prabowo juga bertemu Presiden Turki Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

Prabowo menyampaikan keinginan Indonesia memperkuat kerja sama pertahanan antara kedua negara. Sedangkan Erdogan menegaskan perhatian khusus Turki terhadap hubungannya dengan Indonesia, tidak terkecuali dalam kerja sama pertahanan.
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they're not satisfied with CH-4 ?

because of something like this?
https://www.indiatoday.in/news-anal...ch4-falling-from-the-skies-1694834-2020-06-28

 

[Nike]

because of something like this?
https://www.indiatoday.in/news-anal...ch4-falling-from-the-skies-1694834-2020-06-28

Is quite possible, as Prabowo looks like prefer quality first

 

[JCMan]

Nope. He merely attacking your stance, because procurement transparency is hurting his interest rather directly (if you get my gist here)

What is my interest exactly? I thought I've made it pretty clear that my interest doesn't include foreign defense companies, and neither the local ones for that matter.

Yes, I'm against any simplistic and non factual notions about how arms and military equipment from a certain bloc are always superior than others while providing absolutely no verifiable technical or non technical details other than conjectures and mere claims "because I said so, and what I said is always right because I'm in the loop and I know things".

 

[JCMan]

So you're saying we should just buy them instead of potentially assemble them here?

Ans you do know that the Air Force wants to upgrade the T/A-50 to the F/A-50 right?

I was under the impression that South Korea was looking for a partner in the KFX program and they invited us to join, and then our answer should be "no thanks, we wanted to produce your F/A-50 locally instead"? Are we looking for aircraft design technology or aircraft manufacturing technology? Because I was also under the impression that PT DI have been working with Airbus for quite some time now on how to manufacture and assemble aircraft.

And AFAIK the Air Force did not intend to upgrade the T/A-50 to the F/A-50 standard, they only wanted to install radars so that our current radarless T-50s can be called as a fully fledged T/A-50.