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[Cromwell]

There's a proposal to standardise future naval air defence to CAMM in quadpack configuration; PKR 10514 & Bung Tomo MRLF will use 2x4 Mk.56 or 2x4 Sylver A35 ( 32 CAMM missiles in total ) and Iver Huitfeldt to use 16 cells of Sylver A50 ( 8 cells for Aster-30 and another 8 quadpacked CAMM making 32 units or just simply throw away Aster-30 and making the whole 64 CAMM ) meanwhile we're going to pursue all PKR to armed up to 8 Exocet mm40 B3 and all Iver Huitfeldt up to 16 Exocet mm40 B3 ( or in alternative some suggest Kongsberg NSM ). What do you think on this idea ? It's just some thought up from some people who do have influence in naval project.
We need to answer something for future conflict ahead of us; it is possible should the worst comes to us, our enemy will hit us with multiple missiles salvo of which MICA with limited number won't do a great help to us.

 

[Chestnut]

C

There's a proposal to standardise future naval air defence to CAMM in quadpack configuration; PKR 10514 & Bung Tomo MRLF will use 2x4 Mk.56 or 2x4 Sylver A35 ( 32 CAMM missiles in total ) and Iver Huitfeldt to use 16 cells of Sylver A50 ( 8 cells for Aster-30 and another 8 quadpacked CAMM making 32 units or just simply throw away Aster-30 and making the whole 64 CAMM ) meanwhile we're going to pursue all PKR to armed up to 8 Exocet mm40 B3 and all Iver Huitfeldt up to 16 Exocet mm40 B3 ( or in alternative some suggest Kongsberg NSM ). What do you think on this idea ? It's just some thought up from some people who do have influence in naval project.
We need to answer something for future conflict ahead of us; it is possible should the worst comes to us, our enemy will hit us with multiple missiles salvo of which MICA with limited number won't do a great help to us.

CAMM is just hands down better than MICA.

 

[Nike]

There's a proposal to standardise future naval air defence to CAMM in quadpack configuration; PKR 10514 & Bung Tomo MRLF will use 2x4 Mk.56 or 2x4 Sylver A35 ( 32 CAMM missiles in total ) and Iver Huitfeldt to use 16 cells of Sylver A50 ( 8 cells for Aster-30 and another 8 quadpacked CAMM making 32 units or just simply throw away Aster-30 and making the whole 64 CAMM ) meanwhile we're going to pursue all PKR to armed up to 8 Exocet mm40 B3 and all Iver Huitfeldt up to 16 Exocet mm40 B3 ( or in alternative some suggest Kongsberg NSM ). What do you think on this idea ? It's just some thought up from some people who do have influence in naval project.
We need to answer something for future conflict ahead of us; it is possible should the worst comes to us, our enemy will hit us with multiple missiles salvo of which MICA with limited number won't do a great help to us.

Thats should be done since the beginning though ....its better someone sounding this idea. Better to use the MICA we already had for our OPV or corvettes

C

CAMM is just hands down better than MICA.

What if the CAMM ER

 

[kooppyyy]

Looks like the marines is on the process to adopt the new 7.62 Mk3 Minimi. Back in the early 2000's it was the marine as well that first adopt the minimi, if my memory serves me right.

Thats should be done since the beginning though ....its better someone sounding this idea. Better to use the MICA we already had for our OPV or corvettes



What if the CAMM ER

I agree. We should make a habit of playing the long game by budgeting to requirements rather than the other way around. CAMM-ER would good if we can afford it, that would put it around the ballpark of ESSM, range wise.

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This should be a strong indication where Indonesian foreign policy and security alignment swaying to which sides. Military Academy college is the most basic institution within any country military to nurture high ranking officers to lead the armed forces in future. If foreigner being let to become an instructure to the Academy you can expect there is Will be common sharing goals for both Armed Forces to achieved in the future.

Welcome to Michael Kiting, first Australian instructure to Indonesian Military College Academy in Magelang and congrats for Petrus Paramayudo for being Indonesian first instructure to Royal Australian Military Academy

@Chestnut @Cromwell @Nilgiri

These kind of military-to-military diplomacy is surely a welcoming sight. It can be useful to prevent escalation to happen again with this kind of backchannel open

 

[HellFireIndo]

There's a proposal to standardise future naval air defence to CAMM in quadpack configuration; PKR 10514 & Bung Tomo MRLF will use 2x4 Mk.56 or 2x4 Sylver A35 ( 32 CAMM missiles in total ) and Iver Huitfeldt to use 16 cells of Sylver A50 ( 8 cells for Aster-30 and another 8 quadpacked CAMM making 32 units or just simply throw away Aster-30 and making the whole 64 CAMM ) meanwhile we're going to pursue all PKR to armed up to 8 Exocet mm40 B3 and all Iver Huitfeldt up to 16 Exocet mm40 B3 ( or in alternative some suggest Kongsberg NSM ). What do you think on this idea ? It's just some thought up from some people who do have influence in naval project.
We need to answer something for future conflict ahead of us; it is possible should the worst comes to us, our enemy will hit us with multiple missiles salvo of which MICA with limited number won't do a great help to us.

Hoho, make sure it passes, CAMM is cheaper, better and more versatile than MICA in every way, but the only problem is that we'll have to get them from the British duh.

 

[kooppyyy]

There's a proposal to standardise future naval air defence to CAMM in quadpack configuration; PKR 10514 & Bung Tomo MRLF will use 2x4 Mk.56 or 2x4 Sylver A35 ( 32 CAMM missiles in total ) and Iver Huitfeldt to use 16 cells of Sylver A50 ( 8 cells for Aster-30 and another 8 quadpacked CAMM making 32 units or just simply throw away Aster-30 and making the whole 64 CAMM ) meanwhile we're going to pursue all PKR to armed up to 8 Exocet mm40 B3 and all Iver Huitfeldt up to 16 Exocet mm40 B3 ( or in alternative some suggest Kongsberg NSM ). What do you think on this idea ? It's just some thought up from some people who do have influence in naval project.
We need to answer something for future conflict ahead of us; it is possible should the worst comes to us, our enemy will hit us with multiple missiles salvo of which MICA with limited number won't do a great help to us.

As a member of the quad-pack gang (ESSM, CAMM) this is a good news! I'm just glad it actually being brought up to the conversation at that level. NSM instead of Exocet would be a welcoming change I feel, as NSM is lighter, stealthier, and its attack characteristics still relatively unknown, unlike the Exocet. For Iver, 16 SSM x 16 VLS with 8 Aster 30 and 32 quad CAMM is still an improvement over what we currently field. Although I would prefer to be 24-cells VLS with 16 Aster-30. This will allows Aster-30 intercept 8 targets within the edge of the detection envelope in a high-probability mode as opposed to only 4 targets with 8 missiles. As for PKR 10514 & Bung Tomo, needless to say the propose 32 quad CAMM is a massive improvement to what we currently field.

 

[san.geuk]

There's a proposal to standardise future naval air defence to CAMM in quadpack configuration; PKR 10514 & Bung Tomo MRLF will use 2x4 Mk.56 or 2x4 Sylver A35 ( 32 CAMM missiles in total ) and Iver Huitfeldt to use 16 cells of Sylver A50 ( 8 cells for Aster-30 and another 8 quadpacked CAMM making 32 units or just simply throw away Aster-30 and making the whole 64 CAMM ) meanwhile we're going to pursue all PKR to armed up to 8 Exocet mm40 B3 and all Iver Huitfeldt up to 16 Exocet mm40 B3 ( or in alternative some suggest Kongsberg NSM ). What do you think on this idea ? It's just some thought up from some people who do have influence in naval project.
We need to answer something for future conflict ahead of us; it is possible should the worst comes to us, our enemy will hit us with multiple missiles salvo of which MICA with limited number won't do a great help to us.

16 Cell for iver as basic configuration better than some info before, but if they have 32 Cell it Will be better punch

 

[Chestnut]

What if the CAMM ER

That's the point, with CAMM you can have a common missile for Land and Sea duties. And if we do end up buying the F-35, having the ASRAAM for it would allow for a missile that shares common components with each other, thus greatly reducing cost.

As a member of the quad-pack gang (ESSM, CAMM) this is a good news! I'm just glad it actually being brought up to the conversation at that level. NSM instead of Exocet would be a welcoming change I feel, as NSM is lighter, stealthier, and its attack characteristics still relatively unknown, unlike the Exocet. For Iver, 16 SSM x 16 VLS with 8 Aster 30 and 32 quad CAMM is still an improvement over what we currently field. Although I would prefer to be 24-cells VLS with 16 Aster-30. This will allows Aster-30 intercept 8 targets within the edge of the detection envelope in a high-probability mode as opposed to only 4 targets with 8 missiles. As for PKR 10514 & Bung Tomo, needless to say the propose 32 quad CAMM is a massive improvement to what we currently field.

Luckily enough the brass has the foresight to realize that the CAMM is the only missile that can fit all the VLS's in out inventory without significant modifications to the hulls.

There's a proposal to standardise future naval air defence to CAMM in quadpack configuration; PKR 10514 & Bung Tomo MRLF will use 2x4 Mk.56 or 2x4 Sylver A35 ( 32 CAMM missiles in total ) and Iver Huitfeldt to use 16 cells of Sylver A50 ( 8 cells for Aster-30 and another 8 quadpacked CAMM making 32 units or just simply throw away Aster-30 and making the whole 64 CAMM ) meanwhile we're going to pursue all PKR to armed up to 8 Exocet mm40 B3 and all Iver Huitfeldt up to 16 Exocet mm40 B3 ( or in alternative some suggest Kongsberg NSM ). What do you think on this idea ? It's just some thought up from some people who do have influence in naval project.
We need to answer something for future conflict ahead of us; it is possible should the worst comes to us, our enemy will hit us with multiple missiles salvo of which MICA with limited number won't do a great help to us.

You wouldn't need to replace the VLS on the Bung Tomos. The CAMM can fit the old Sea Wolf VLS with minor modifications.

 

[Kansel]

Koarmada 3 Diperkuat Helikopter Bell 412

16 Juli 2020



Helikopter Bell 412 HU-4207 (photo : TNI AL)

Tingkatkan kemampuan, Koarmada III Diperkuat Helikopter Canggih

Kekuatan Komando Armada (Koarmada) III baik di laut, udara dan darat semakin andal. Dalam rangka meningkatkan kemampuan menegakkan kedaulatan dan hukum di laut serta menjaga keutuhan Negara Kesatuan Republik Indonesia, Koarmada III telah diperkuat Helikopter Bell-412 HU-4207. Helikopter serba guna dengan Pilot Kapten Laut (P) Alfred E. Manuhuru, Co-Pilot Lettu Laut (P) Habibie Achmad R dan crew tiga orang tiba di Sorong, Senin (14/7/2020) setelah on board KRI Teluk Bintuni-520 dari Surabaya.

Helikopter Bell-412 HU-4207 Koarmada III langsung melaksanakan latihan, take off dari geladak heli KRI Teluk Bintuni-520 yang sandar di dermaga umum, Kota Sorong, Selasa (14/7) dan mendarat di Kesatrian Pasukan Marinir (Pasmar) 3 KM 16, Kota Sorong, kemudian take off lagi menuju Mako Koarmada III di Katapop, Salawati, kab. Sorong. Latihan take off dan lending tersebut dilaksanakan beberapa kali dari geladak kapal dan helipad Pasmar 3 dan helipad Mako Koarmada III berjalan dengan baik dan lancar.

Menurut Komandan Satuan Udara Koarmada III Kolonel Laut (P) Maarif, S.H., bahwa penerbangan dari KRI Teluk Bintuni-520 yang sandar di pelabuhan Sorong ke Pasmar 3 hanya ditempuh tiga menit. Kemudian dari Pasmar 3 ke Mako Koarmada III Katapop hanya ditempuh delapan menit. Seluruh rangkain kegiatan penerbangan tersebut berjalan dengan baik.



KRI Teluk Bintuni 520 Landing Ship Tank (photo : Wiki)

Helikopter tersebut akan mendukung tugas-tugas Koarmada III baik operasi, latihan, dan bantuan kemanusiaan. Dalam kegiatan operasi penegakan kedaulatan dan hukum di laut wilayah kerja Koarmada III, helikopter on board KRI (Kapal Perang RI) sebagai salah satu kepanjangan mata dan telinga KRI.

Selain itu, helikopter juga mendukung latihan Satuan Komando Pasukan Katak dan Pasukan Marinir antara lain fast rope, stabo, heli water jump, free fall, GKK Lintas Heli atau mobil udara, rappelling, dan evakuasi medis udara, dan sejumlah materi latihan lainnya. Selain itu juga dapat dikerahkan untuk melaksanakan bantuan kemanusiaan dan SAR (Search and Resque). Dengan demikian peranan helikopter yang merupakan salah satu komponen Sistem Senjata Armada Terpadu, memiliki tugas pokok sangat penting dalam mendukung keberhasilan tugas Koarmada III.

Helikopter buatan PT. Dirgantara Indonesia dibawah lisence Bell Textron Inc Canada telah memperkuat Satuan Udara Koarmada III yang dapat melesat sejauh 687 km selama empat jam, dengan asumsi kecepatan jelajah hingga 120 knots, endurance dengan tanki cadangan 3,5 jam dengan jarak tempuh hingga kurang lebih 420 NM. Helikopter andalan Koarmada III ini mampu mengangkut 15 orang pasukan dengan rincian, 2 pilot dan co-pilot serta 13 penumpang.

 

[NEKONEKO]

There's a proposal to standardise future naval air defence to CAMM in quadpack configuration; PKR 10514 & Bung Tomo MRLF will use 2x4 Mk.56 or 2x4 Sylver A35 ( 32 CAMM missiles in total ) and Iver Huitfeldt to use 16 cells of Sylver A50 ( 8 cells for Aster-30 and another 8 quadpacked CAMM making 32 units or just simply throw away Aster-30 and making the whole 64 CAMM ) meanwhile we're going to pursue all PKR to armed up to 8 Exocet mm40 B3 and all Iver Huitfeldt up to 16 Exocet mm40 B3 ( or in alternative some suggest Kongsberg NSM ). What do you think on this idea ? It's just some thought up from some people who do have influence in naval project.
We need to answer something for future conflict ahead of us; it is possible should the worst comes to us, our enemy will hit us with multiple missiles salvo of which MICA with limited number won't do a great help to us.

Well we will need many MICA/CAMM missile for our heavy frigate for tandem launch. As for which missile is the most suitable for us (performance, price, commonality etc) I'll leave it to the experts.

Good idea to standardise the missile.
Is the proposed PKR with 32 CAMM only for the new ship or the old one too?

This proposal of 16 cells (slyver A50) is acceptable (pas2an lah), 32 CAMM is okay but 8 Aster30? The number is a bit inadequate.
How about more VLS unit, get 3 or 4.
3 unit dijejer melintang kalau 4 dipisah 2 x 2.

16 Ashm is nice.

 

[mejikuhibiu]

It nice to if she equip with mbda scalp too

 

[Alex898]

if they're gonna put Sylver A50 into the old PKR, where would the existing mica canister go? can they fit it into the DPN class corvettes ?

 

[Being-Art]

Well we will need many MICA/CAMM missile for our heavy frigate for tandem launch. As for which missile is the most suitable for us (performance, price, commonality etc) I'll leave it to the experts.

Good idea to standardise the missile.
Is the proposed PKR with 32 CAMM only for the new ship or the old one too?

This proposal of 16 cells (slyver A50) is acceptable (pas2an lah), 32 CAMM is okay but 8 Aster30? The number is a bit inadequate.
How about more VLS unit, get 3 or 4.
3 unit dijejer melintang kalau 4 dipisah 2 x 2.

16 Ashm is nice.

32 cells of Sylver A50 or 16 cells Sylver A50 and 16 cells Sylver A70 actually much better

 

[Chestnut]

if they're gonna put Sylver A50 into the old PKR, where would the existing mica canister go? can they fit it into the DPN class corvettes ?

I don't think an A50 can fit on a Martadinata.

 

[Being-Art]

I don't think an A50 can fit on a Martadinata.

Martadinata-class only support Sylver A35, where the Sylver A35 is best loaded by MICA-VL or CAMM (non ER variants), for CAMM-ER, it requires Sylver A43 and A50 VLS (minimum), because the CAMM-ER is longer than a ordinary CAMM