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[NEKONEKO]

But they can use it for exercises, to make the crews familiar with the system, easier to detect enemy (mock up or old armored vehicle pretend to be opfor) rather than using visual way ( lets say the target heat signature is low) in latgab.
The apache can direct other assets to maneuver, like our hind and give updates to command centre about enemy armoured column movement.

Rather than fixed plans and strategy the latgab should pitch red and blue forces, can the guy in hq deal with dynamic and ever-changing situation on the frontlines? Can they come up with plans from new development happened on the front lines? Can the guy on the front lines execute the plans?

 

[deadlast]

4 AN/APR-48A Radar Frequency Interferometers, 10 AAR-
57(V) 3/5 Common Missile Warning Systems (CMWS) with 5th Sensor and Improved Countermeasure Dispenser, 10 AN/AVR-2B Laser Detecting Sets, 10 AN/APR-39A(V)4 Radar Signal Detecting Sets, 24 Integrated Helmet and Display Sight Systems (IHDSS-21), 32 M299A1 HELLFIRE Missile Launchers, and 140 HELLFIRE AGM-114R3 Missiles. Also included are Identification Friend or Foe transponders.

This Is From DSCA tho, it could be different case. But Where's the placement of the LDR and RWR Antenna tho? i've kinda interested on Apache Cutaway View attachment 627429

AN/APR-48 Radar Frequency Interferometers - could also be used as RWR, usually mounted as a set with Longbow radar assembly. (number 33 on your cutaway)
AN/AAR-57 Common Missile Warning Systems (CMWS) - 4x sensor total, 2x front, 1x on the tip of each wing.
AN/AVR-2 Laser Detecting Sets (LDR) - 4x sensor, 1x on each sides of main rotor assy, 1x on each sides of front tail boom (number 109).
AN/APR-39 Radar Signal Detecting (RWR) - 4x circular antennas 1x blade antenna, 2x circular antennas on tip of the tail (number 21), 2x on the front, 1x blade antenna below tail boom

Spoiler: Front

the 2x round black thingy

I have no problem at all (although I feel that my Indihome getting slower, especially at night)

I see, in my case I need to use VPN just to open this thread before, but looks like it fixes itself this evening, it used to tell me "This page isn't working" or "currently unable to handle this request".

 

[trishna_amṛta]

But 'no point'? What is wrong with having a land-based air defense system that can both engage precision-guided munitions and aircraft?

Longer distance. You need to "look" beyond the horizon which by itself would require airborne platform. Even IF the intercepting missile were guided by airborne platform, the missile will need to be HUGE enough just for their propellant (need to be multistage). And bigger missile create additional complexity in logistic support.

 

[Chestnut]

That or have something like Jindalee.

But they can use it for exercises, to make the crews familiar with the system, easier to detect enemy (mock up or old armored vehicle pretend to be opfor) rather than using visual way ( lets say the target heat signature is low) in latgab.
The apache can direct other assets to maneuver, like our hind and give updates to command centre about enemy armoured column movement.

Rather than fixed plans and strategy the latgab should pitch red and blue forces, can the guy in hq deal with dynamic and ever-changing situation on the frontlines? Can they come up with plans from new development happened on the front lines? Can the guy on the front lines execute the plans?

Beats me, my best guess is that they don't want to put the hours on them so they just kept them in their delivery boxes and store them in an Army warehouse somewhere in Semarang.

 

[Nike]

That or have something like Jindalee.


Beats me, my best guess is that they don't want to put the hours on them so they just kept them in their delivery boxes and store them in an Army warehouse somewhere in Semarang.

Still on warrant guarantee

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Air Force need to focus solely on increasing their number of aircraft fighter platforms and necessary support aircraft along to build more supporting Air Forces base around eastern Indonesia side and logistick support and security , to let the army playing and spend with their resources to acquire and operate MEADS is actually helped them a lot to achieve that. Army got large number of idle human resources meanwhile the Airforce is already stretched thin

 

[Chestnut]

Agreed, the most pressing issue that's plaguing the Air Force right now is sortie generation and sortie support. I'm hopeful they get more F-16V's ON TOP of the 32 units that are planned on being procured.

Though I somewhat disagree that the Army should operate MEADS/Patriots. For the most part, the Army doesn't understand battlefield networking. And the effectiveness of a Patriot battery relies on it being networked and supported by AWACS, GCI, fighter aircraft, and other Naval/Ground based SAMs. Considering the ego of the older military cadre, I'd advise giving the Patriots to the Air Force over the Army. The thinning of personnel can be resolved by higher recruitment. Furthermore it would make sure the egotism and political nature of the military wouldn't get in the way of networked air defense. This is what the Iraqis didn't do and they suffered accordingly as a result.

If the Army was truly adamant on having better AA capability, then maybe give them the MBDA Crotale NG or the incoming Diehl LFK NG. Unlike Patriots or NASAMS they can be mounted on Komodos or Sherpas and can keep up with mobile Army units since they don't need to be set-up to fire.

 

[striver44]

Indonesian Navy may be forgotten asset in pandemic

• Alban Sciascia and Anastasia Febiola Sumarauw
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Jakarta / Sat, April 25, 2020 / 01:23 pm

President Joko 'Jokowi' Widodo greets the Indonesian Navy during a work visit at the air base in Ranai, Natuna, Riau Islands, on Jan. 8, 2020. (Antara/HO/Dispen Koarmada I)
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As the COVID-19 pandemic continues to worsen in different regions, exhausted and overwhelmed medical staff are fighting to provide assistance for all infected patients. According to a recent study, approximately 20 percent of COVID-19 positive cases globally require critical treatment, while the availability of intensive care unit beds is very limited.

Several governments have decided to involve their militaries to maximize state capability in dealing with the outbreak. Armies are deployed to help secure hospitals and states’ quarantine policy. The air forces distribute medical supplies, transport and evacuate patients. To some extent, a number of governments have deployed their navies’ hospital ships or multipurpose vessels to provide additional medical support.

At least five navies in the world have deployed their assets, including hospital ships, to provide additional health capability in battling COVID-19. The United Kingdom’s Royal Navy and Royal Marines Reservists have put their fleets on standby. The Royal Navy has also deployed Royal Fleet Auxiliary Argus to the Caribbean to support the British Overseas Territories in facing both the hurricane season and COVID-19 outbreak. In parallel, the Royal Netherlands Navy has deployed its landing platform dock (LPD) HNLMS Karel Doorman to support Dutch medical facilities in the Carribean.

The United States has deployed its US Naval Ship Mercy to Los Angeles and USNS Comfort to New York City to assist ground medics in treating COVID-19 patients. Spain deployed its Navy’s LPDs Galicia and Castilla to support the country’s medical capability in fighting the virus in the Spanish city of Melilla. The Galicia-class ships have multipurpose and amphibious capability as well as operating rooms and ICU beds.

French President Emmanuel Macron even launched Operation Resilience on March 26 to involve its military in fighting the pandemic. Moreover, France has deployed its famous Mistral-class amphibious assault ships (LHD) to provide assistance in the French Overseas Territories. The French Navy deployed LHD Mistral to support healthcare facilities in the Southern Indian Ocean (Reunion and Mayotte), LHD Dixmude to the French Caribbean and French Guyana, while LHD Tonnerre was sent to evacuate French COVID-19 patients from Corsica to Marseille.

In fact, the Mistral-class ship is often referred to as a “naval Swiss Army knife” for its multipurpose features and capability. More importantly, the Mistral-class LHD is designed with hospital capability meeting level 3 medical support concept of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization.

Its default design hospital infrastructure of 750 square meters include two operating rooms, x-ray and dental rooms, 19 post-operation and ICU beds and 50 medical beds. Its helicopter hangar is directly connected to the ship’s hospital and can shelter up to 16 12T-class helicopters.

Its well dock can accommodate two landing craft air cushion (LCAC) or four landing craft mechanized (LCM). This feature is vital, because the versatility of this class of LHD could be used in a large variety of operations, such as humanitarian assistance and disaster relief operations, amphibious operations, power projection or evacuation of citizens abroad.

The Indonesian government has reallocated funds within the 2020 state budget for COVID-19 medical assistance, including the Defense Ministry’s budget of Rp14 trillion (US$898.73 million) originally for defense equipment modernization. As in other countries’ contingency plans, Indonesia’s military could play a bigger role to assist medical operations, in the framework of “military operations other than war” under the 2004 Indonesian Military Law.

As medical treatment is the priority, the Health Ministry could involve the military to organize medical units, since the armed forces are trained — some if not all — with standard medical procedures and implementing quarantine policy.

Moreover, the armed forces’ capability could be maximized in COVID-19 relief missions, such as the Surya Bhaskara Jaya (SBJ) humanitarian aid. The SBJ operation involves the Navy and KRI Soeharso-990 hospital ship to treat patients within Indonesia’s territory.

Since the government has decided to set up treatment centers for COVID-19 patients in some areas including Jakarta and Galang Island in the province of Riau Islands, the roles of the Navy and the Air Force are critical. However, until now the Navy’s role in supporting the government’s COVID-19 response has been limited compared to the other services. For instance, the Navy’s C-130 Hercules and CN-295 aircraft have been involved in various government missions, such as to deliver personal protective equipment, masks and logistics to the new COVID-19 hospital on Galang. The Navy also used its aircraft to deliver personal protective equipment and masks to South Kalimantan and North Sulawesi.

In contrast, Navy’s ships have only been publicly used to pick up hydroalcoholic gel in Singapore, to evacuate crew of the World Dream cruise ship and Indonesian migrant workers from Malaysia.

As the number of COVID-19 positive patients continue to spike in Indonesia, the government could make better use of Navy ships. Unfortunately, the Navy has only one hospital ship — KRI Soeharso, and thus limited capacity to operate effectively throughout the archipelago.

Reflecting on the previous outbreak of the Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS), inclusiveness between only the government and health professionals resulted in overlapping measures. Indonesia did not experience SARS and the Middle Eastern Respiratory Syndrome (MERS) as disastrous as the current pandemic. The last epidemics the country faced were the avian flu and swine flu with comparatively limited impact.

As positive cases have reached more than 5,000 in Indonesia, the government is urged to improve its risk management and consider the involvement in a more effective manner of its military assets. The archipelagic nature of Indonesia should lead the Defense Ministry and the Indonesian Navy to review their contingency plans and measures and to think about how to deploy versatile and effective assets to remote areas of the country.

It is also vital for the government to think several steps ahead. While the Navy is supposed to accept in service a second hospital ship in October 2021, a relevant measure should be to consider versatile ships that are not limited to countering the current outbreak but to offer to capacities to handle a large spectrum of operations.

While President Joko “Jokowi” Widodo mentioned last year that Indonesia needed at least three hospital ships, their limited capacities shows that the Navy should consider a long-term and effective solution.

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Alban Sciascia is a contributor for Galatea and director of Semar Sentinel Pte Ltd, where Anastasia F. Sumarauw is a consultant.

Disclaimer: The opinions expressed in this article are those of the author and do not reflect the official stance of The Jakarta Post.

 

[Jatosint]

Indonesian Navy may be forgotten asset in pandemic

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  • Alban Sciascia and Anastasia Febiola Sumarauw
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Jakarta / Sat, April 25, 2020 / 01:23 pm

President Joko 'Jokowi' Widodo greets the Indonesian Navy during a work visit at the air base in Ranai, Natuna, Riau Islands, on Jan. 8, 2020. (Antara/HO/Dispen Koarmada I)
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As the COVID-19 pandemic continues to worsen in different regions, exhausted and overwhelmed medical staff are fighting to provide assistance for all infected patients. According to a recent study, approximately 20 percent of COVID-19 positive cases globally require critical treatment, while the availability of intensive care unit beds is very limited.

Several governments have decided to involve their militaries to maximize state capability in dealing with the outbreak. Armies are deployed to help secure hospitals and states’ quarantine policy. The air forces distribute medical supplies, transport and evacuate patients. To some extent, a number of governments have deployed their navies’ hospital ships or multipurpose vessels to provide additional medical support.

At least five navies in the world have deployed their assets, including hospital ships, to provide additional health capability in battling COVID-19. The United Kingdom’s Royal Navy and Royal Marines Reservists have put their fleets on standby. The Royal Navy has also deployed Royal Fleet Auxiliary Argus to the Caribbean to support the British Overseas Territories in facing both the hurricane season and COVID-19 outbreak. In parallel, the Royal Netherlands Navy has deployed its landing platform dock (LPD) HNLMS Karel Doorman to support Dutch medical facilities in the Carribean.

The United States has deployed its US Naval Ship Mercy to Los Angeles and USNS Comfort to New York City to assist ground medics in treating COVID-19 patients. Spain deployed its Navy’s LPDs Galicia and Castilla to support the country’s medical capability in fighting the virus in the Spanish city of Melilla. The Galicia-class ships have multipurpose and amphibious capability as well as operating rooms and ICU beds.

French President Emmanuel Macron even launched Operation Resilience on March 26 to involve its military in fighting the pandemic. Moreover, France has deployed its famous Mistral-class amphibious assault ships (LHD) to provide assistance in the French Overseas Territories. The French Navy deployed LHD Mistral to support healthcare facilities in the Southern Indian Ocean (Reunion and Mayotte), LHD Dixmude to the French Caribbean and French Guyana, while LHD Tonnerre was sent to evacuate French COVID-19 patients from Corsica to Marseille.

In fact, the Mistral-class ship is often referred to as a “naval Swiss Army knife” for its multipurpose features and capability. More importantly, the Mistral-class LHD is designed with hospital capability meeting level 3 medical support concept of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization.

Its default design hospital infrastructure of 750 square meters include two operating rooms, x-ray and dental rooms, 19 post-operation and ICU beds and 50 medical beds. Its helicopter hangar is directly connected to the ship’s hospital and can shelter up to 16 12T-class helicopters.

Its well dock can accommodate two landing craft air cushion (LCAC) or four landing craft mechanized (LCM). This feature is vital, because the versatility of this class of LHD could be used in a large variety of operations, such as humanitarian assistance and disaster relief operations, amphibious operations, power projection or evacuation of citizens abroad.

The Indonesian government has reallocated funds within the 2020 state budget for COVID-19 medical assistance, including the Defense Ministry’s budget of Rp14 trillion (US$898.73 million) originally for defense equipment modernization. As in other countries’ contingency plans, Indonesia’s military could play a bigger role to assist medical operations, in the framework of “military operations other than war” under the 2004 Indonesian Military Law.

As medical treatment is the priority, the Health Ministry could involve the military to organize medical units, since the armed forces are trained — some if not all — with standard medical procedures and implementing quarantine policy.

Moreover, the armed forces’ capability could be maximized in COVID-19 relief missions, such as the Surya Bhaskara Jaya (SBJ) humanitarian aid. The SBJ operation involves the Navy and KRI Soeharso-990 hospital ship to treat patients within Indonesia’s territory.

Since the government has decided to set up treatment centers for COVID-19 patients in some areas including Jakarta and Galang Island in the province of Riau Islands, the roles of the Navy and the Air Force are critical. However, until now the Navy’s role in supporting the government’s COVID-19 response has been limited compared to the other services. For instance, the Navy’s C-130 Hercules and CN-295 aircraft have been involved in various government missions, such as to deliver personal protective equipment, masks and logistics to the new COVID-19 hospital on Galang. The Navy also used its aircraft to deliver personal protective equipment and masks to South Kalimantan and North Sulawesi.

In contrast, Navy’s ships have only been publicly used to pick up hydroalcoholic gel in Singapore, to evacuate crew of the World Dream cruise ship and Indonesian migrant workers from Malaysia.

As the number of COVID-19 positive patients continue to spike in Indonesia, the government could make better use of Navy ships. Unfortunately, the Navy has only one hospital ship — KRI Soeharso, and thus limited capacity to operate effectively throughout the archipelago.

Reflecting on the previous outbreak of the Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS), inclusiveness between only the government and health professionals resulted in overlapping measures. Indonesia did not experience SARS and the Middle Eastern Respiratory Syndrome (MERS) as disastrous as the current pandemic. The last epidemics the country faced were the avian flu and swine flu with comparatively limited impact.

As positive cases have reached more than 5,000 in Indonesia, the government is urged to improve its risk management and consider the involvement in a more effective manner of its military assets. The archipelagic nature of Indonesia should lead the Defense Ministry and the Indonesian Navy to review their contingency plans and measures and to think about how to deploy versatile and effective assets to remote areas of the country.

It is also vital for the government to think several steps ahead. While the Navy is supposed to accept in service a second hospital ship in October 2021, a relevant measure should be to consider versatile ships that are not limited to countering the current outbreak but to offer to capacities to handle a large spectrum of operations.

While President Joko “Jokowi” Widodo mentioned last year that Indonesia needed at least three hospital ships, their limited capacities shows that the Navy should consider a long-term and effective solution.

______

Alban Sciascia is a contributor for Galatea and director of Semar Sentinel Pte Ltd, where Anastasia F. Sumarauw is a consultant.

Disclaimer: The opinions expressed in this article are those of the author and do not reflect the official stance of The Jakarta Post.

There's a lot of seriously misleading info in this article which I'm quite shocked sekelas Jakpost bisa tembus gini artikelnya

1. Our navy has TWO hospital ship and doesn't operate any C-130 or C-295. Even if you mean AF's C-130 and C-295, you cannot use it as comparison simply because air transport is a lot faster than naval transport, hence, it is the best option to deliver medical supplies during a nation-wide pandemic

2. Mistral deployment to the Indian Ocean is an annual and scheduled operation Dixmude and Tonnerre were deployed ONLY for evacuation, not to treat COVID-19 patient--->the same thing that our LPDs have been doing
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-new...-lhds-to-fight-covid-19-in-reunion-caribbean/

3. USNS Comfort to leave NY after spending 3 weeks mostly empty of patients while USNS Mercy only treated a handful of patients
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...chester-county-center-coronavirus/3010754001/

4. UK and Netherland sent their ship because of their overseas territory hospitals have limited capacity. For HNLMS Karel Doorman, from what I read in this article, its main role in this COVID-19 deployment is more as logistical support ship, not as Hospital Ship (Anyone knows the medical facility and capacity in both Argus and Karel Doorman?
https://www.saba-news.com/navy-ship-arrives-to-help-in-corona-crisis/

5. Spain sent its ships because their healthcare system is already overwhelmed. Why do you need to deployed Hospital Ship if our conventional hospital is not overwhelmed yet? Tinggal dua minggu di KRI itu gak gampang loh, mending dirawat di darat kemana mana, bisa-bisa tambah stress itu pasien. Belum ruang kapal yang sempit jadi kru maupun pasien susah buat social distancing

All in all, what are the authors exactly want our navy to do more?

 

[striver44]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1254115458401202176

 

[LtMaverick]

The Longbow radars are here, an army officer at DIKLITBANG confirmed it to me. The reason you don't see them mounted is because we have don't have Hellfire Limas that warrants them being installed.

I've actually asked the Penerbad guys they said they stored it on Magelang along with the hellfire around late 2018. but I've come around in the twitter like 2 months ago there's guy shown me the Photo of Awarded contract of Longbow including Indonesia that would finished around 2021 or 2022. might searched for that after this bcuz my phone just got hard reset and what's hellfire limas tho?

AN/APR-48 Radar Frequency Interferometers - could also be used as RWR, usually mounted as a set with Longbow radar assembly. (number 33 on your cutaway)
AN/AAR-57 Common Missile Warning Systems (CMWS) - 4x sensor total, 2x front, 1x on the tip of each wing.
AN/AVR-2 Laser Detecting Sets (LDR) - 4x sensor, 1x on each sides of main rotor assy, 1x on each sides of front tail boom (number 109).
AN/APR-39 Radar Signal Detecting (RWR) - 4x circular antennas 1x blade antenna, 2x circular antennas on tip of the tail (number 21), 2x on the front, 1x blade antenna below tail boom

Spoiler: Front

the 2x round black thingy

I see, in my case I need to use VPN just to open this thread before, but looks like it fixes itself this evening, it used to tell me "This page isn't working" or "currently unable to handle this request".

Thanks For the Heads up

 

[Raduga]

I've actually asked the Penerbad guys they said they stored it on Magelang along with the hellfire around late 2018. but I've come around in the twitter like 2 months ago there's guy shown me the Photo of Awarded contract of Longbow including Indonesia that would finished around 2021 or 2022. might searched for that after this bcuz my phone just got hard reset and what's hellfire limas tho?




Thanks For the Heads up

AGM-114-L (Limas) which is an radar guided hellfire .

 

[LtMaverick]

AGM-114-L (Limas) which is an radar guided hellfire .

ah thanks didnt catched that quite well. i thought it was either lima or lima's hahaha. but what catched me from my last thread is, why we wait for Hellfire-L for Longbow, does It Useless for now or either Hellfire-R also Couldn't use The Longbow or Any other Explanation? Thanks btw

Continuing my last 2 thread here what i found from Defense.gov
https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Contracts/Contract/Article/2065636/

LongbowLLC, Orlando, Florida, was awarded a $235,794,870 hybrid (cost-no-fee, cost-plus-fixed-fee and firm-fixed-price) Foreign Military Sales (Republic of Korea (South Korea), Greece, India, India, Indonesia, Kuwait, Netherlands, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Taiwan, United Arab Emirates and United Kingdom) contract for procurement of production support services for the Fire Control Radar System for the Apache attack helicopter. One bid was solicited via the internet with one bid received. Work locations and funding will be determined with each order, with an estimated completion date of Jan. 31, 2025. U.S. Army Contracting Command, Rock Island Arsenal, Illinois, is the contracting activity (W52P1J-20-D-0009).

 

[Chestnut]

ah thanks didnt catched that quite well. i thought it was either lima or lima's hahaha. but what catched me from my last thread is, why we wait for Hellfire-L for Longbow, does It Useless for now or either Hellfire-R also Couldn't use The Longbow or Any other Explanation? Thanks btw

No, the ones we have are the Romeos, which is the semi-active laser homing variant.

Continuing my last 2 thread here what i found from Defense.gov
https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Contracts/Contract/Article/2065636/

LongbowLLC, Orlando, Florida, was awarded a $235,794,870 hybrid (cost-no-fee, cost-plus-fixed-fee and firm-fixed-price) Foreign Military Sales (Republic of Korea (South Korea), Greece, India, India, Indonesia, Kuwait, Netherlands, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Taiwan, United Arab Emirates and United Kingdom) contract for procurement of production support services for the Fire Control Radar System for the Apache attack helicopter. One bid was solicited via the internet with one bid received. Work locations and funding will be determined with each order, with an estimated completion date of Jan. 31, 2025. U.S. Army Contracting Command, Rock Island Arsenal, Illinois, is the contracting activity (W52P1J-20-D-0009).

It says it's for maintenance work.

 

[LtMaverick]

No, the ones we have are the Romeos, which is the semi-active laser homing variant.



It says it's for maintenance work.

yes i know about the Hellfire-R3 but for what purpose tho that they keep it on the storage, it's confusing that they doesnt use any Longbow even though they could operate it in other way.

btw interesting for Maintenance purposes tho

 

[Jatosint]

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