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[nufix]

^^ you left one pic tante mado

 

[kalu_miah]

PINDAD Proposes Turrets and Engines for Medium Tanks

OTO Melara Hitfact 105-120mm turret (photo: Oto Melara)

What is the 'Mysterious' Tank that will be build by PINDAD?

Liputan6.com, Bandung - Government programs prepares 7 indigenous defense industry (inhan) ie Development fighter (KFX / IFX), Rocket and Missile, Guard Missile Destroyer (PKR), Submarine, Propellant Industrial Development, National Radar and Tank .

Pursuant to Law Number 16 Year 2012 on Inhan, to Lead Integrator entrusted to state company incorporated in the State-Owned Enterprises (SOEs) Strategic Industries. One such company is PT Pindad, which was entrusted to handle the program of the National Tank.

Director of Product Operations Hankam PT PINDAD, Tri Hardjono said it has prepared a concept of making armored combat vehicles using chain wheels.

The initial concept would be to build medium tanks with a number of foreign partners, one of which FNSS Military Contracting Company from Turkey. According to geographical conditions, the weight of the tanks selected must not be more than 30 tons.

"Tank medium that we are required to coordinate all activities, engineering design and human sourcing that we do with FNSS.'s Plan is the product of joint research and sharing together. PINDAD got experts, both domestically and around the region," said Tri to Liputan6.com in his office, Bandung, West Java.

Turret systems

For Turret system, PT PINDAD have prepared 3 options namely Cockerill Maintenance & Ingenierie (CMI) Belgium, Oto Melara from Italy and Denel Land Systems of South African origin. As for the election machinery of the State in Europe one of the French defense industry.

"There's also some alternatives, because we've decided to use 105mm medium tanks, we have three alternatives that can supply 105 mm turret. There CMI, Oto Melara, There Denel. Was also proposed to the ministry to KKIP, to the user, related to advantages and disadvantages of each of these turret cannon, "said Tri.

The design of medium tanks Pindad (image by courtesy)

engine

"My friends already have some alternatives. There are 3 options for the engine. Accordance with experience, we prefer using European products., Where they have had many variants, in which the engine can also be used for the commercial," he added.

In addition to the weight of the main requirements, a number of pre-conditions must also be met by designers PT PINDAD and FNSS like Silhouette (shadow). This is done so that the tank is easy to hide while on the battlefield.

"The concept of PINDAD products, we have been providing high designs that should not be more than 2.5 meters above the canon like that-so of PINDAD. Then, what kind of performance it is also from Indonesia. Was that we develop the cooperation with them, eg determination of the source sourcing like Power Pack, Engine. That is very decisive at the time and then later maintenance and so on. We will also provide input, "he explained.

Pindad medium tanks will be completed by the year 2016. PINDAD expect medium tanks can help to replace old TNI Arsenal.

"Mr. Chief of Staff also expects PINDAD immediately releases the vehicle, because of its uses and different needs. because this funding from the State of the Ministry hopes that in 3-year state budget that can be solved," said Tri.

Seperti Apa Wujud Tank 'Misterius' Buatan Pindad?

Airbus D&S to Supply MSSR 2000 I Radar to Indonesia


Monopulse Secondary Surveillance Radars (MSSR) 2000 I radar (photo : Airbus DS)

Airbus Defence and Space (D&S) will supply two Monopulse Secondary Surveillance Radars (MSSR) 2000 I as part of a programme to improve the Indonesian Air Force’s aircraft
identification and air surveillance capabilities. The company was awarded a contract for the radars by SBL Star Technology, announced on 18 August.

The radars will equip mobile air surveillance and tracking systems to be operated by the Indonesian Air Force, helping to improve air traffic control and air defence capabilities over the country’s more than 15,000 islands.

Secondary radars such as MSSR 2000 I complement primary radars in identifying individual aircraft and establishing a comprehensive recognised air picture. Typically, primary radar is able to measure the position of an aircraft at a point of time from reflections of the radar beam without giving a clear identification of the aircraft.

The secondary radar exchanges messages with all the aircraft in its area collecting detailed information such as flight number and destination. MSSR 2000 I sends out interrogation signals according to the latest Mode S standard and collects the responses. In this way, the secondary radar in close cooperation with the primary radar provides a real-time overview of aircraft positions and additional aircraft data which results in a significant improvement in air surveillance and air traffic control.

In the military field, MSSR 2000 I is also used for automatic friend-or-foe identification (IFF) to avoid the engagement of friendly forces.

Thomas Müller, head of electronics business, Airbus D&S, said: ‘Air traffic control authorities all over the world are facing continually increasing air traffic density. Together with military air traffic, this situation requires a high-performance guidance system ensuring safety, comprehensive data exchange and efficient allocation of airspace. With our system in operation in around 30 countries we have proven our capability to provide a reliable solution.’
The system is scheduled for delivery before the beginning of 2015.

(Shephard)

It might be worthwhile looking into Altay MBT engine program in Turkey by Tumosan engine manufacturer. They were awarded a contract by the govt. to design a 2000 HP engine. Turkey has been designing and manufacturing engines for some time, mainly at Ford-Otosan and Tumosan:
Ford Cargo - Doğa dostu, yüksek kaliteli motorlar - Ford Türkiye
Ford Otosan'dan yerli motor - Milliyet.com.tr (use chrome or google translator)
TUMOSAN - Engine - Tractor - ENGINE

 

[nufix]

It might be worthwhile looking into Altay MBT engine program in Turkey by Tumosan engine manufacturer. They were awarded a contract by the govt. to design a 2000 HP engine. Turkey has been designing and manufacturing engines for some time, mainly at Ford-Otosan and Tumosan:
Ford Cargo - Doğa dostu, yüksek kaliteli motorlar - Ford Türkiye
Ford Otosan'dan yerli motor - Milliyet.com.tr (use chrome or google translator)
TUMOSAN - Engine - Tractor - ENGINE

I have no doubt about Turkey's capability to develope a capable engine for tanks, but it seems that PT Pindad engineers prefer to use an already-tested and mature-developed engine from european manufacturers. Last but not least, the spec of the engine developed by Tumosan is designed to deliver enough power to move Altay MBT around. While it might be suitable for a MBT, the machine would not be so suitable for a medium tank with a smaller engine compartment and a lighter power to weight ratio, the tank would be overpowered and consumes fuel more than needed. Therefore, Pindad opt for the european engine manufacturers because they already provide a wide range of machines and power packs that might be suitable for lighter tanks like the Pindad Medium Tank.

 

[MarveL]

FOTO: Brigade Infanteri 1/Pam Ibu Kota Jaya Sakti. Prajurit ini dibawah komando ”Tontaikam” (Peleton Pengintai Keamanan). Mengikuti Apel gabungan TNI di JIExpo Kemayoran Jakarta, Kamis (21/8/2014). Sebanyak 5000 personil yang terdiri dari Kostrad, Kopassus, Marinir dan Paskhas disiapkan untuk menjaga stabilitas keamanan pasca putusan MK.

 

[kalu_miah]

I have no doubt about Turkey's capability to develope a capable engine for tanks, but it seems that PT Pindad engineers prefer to use an already-tested and mature-developed engine from european manufacturers. Last but not least, the spec of the engine developed by Tumosan is designed to deliver enough power to move Altay MBT around. While it might be suitable for a MBT, the machine would not be so suitable for a medium tank with a smaller engine compartment and a lighter power to weight ratio, the tank would be overpowered and consumes fuel more than needed. Therefore, Pindad opt for the european engine manufacturers because they already provide a wide range of machines and power packs that might be suitable for lighter tanks like the Pindad Medium Tank.

I do not mean that you can use any Turkish engine immediately, but for future possibility, you can keep them in mind. I am not sure what size engines they will design, but usually an engine is designed with 2-3 different sizes to cover a range of requirements.

You should look at this thread as well:
Developing 8 (D-8) Organization for Economic Cooperation

We need to help develop indigenous technology among friendly countries with our purchasing decisions, who will be more open to share and transfer technology than others:
Altay MBT | Page 67
Turkey and Indonesia to develop medium tank
PT Pindad dan FNSS Turki Sepakati Pembangunan Tank Medium Bersama ~ ARTILERI

 

[Indos]

I do not mean that you can use any Turkish engine immediately, but for future possibility, you can keep them in mind. I am not sure what size engines they will design, but usually an engine is designed with 2-3 different sizes to cover a range of requirements.

You should look at this thread as well:
Developing 8 (D-8) Organization for Economic Cooperation

We need to help develop indigenous technology among friendly countries with our purchasing decisions, who will be more open to share and transfer technology than others:
Altay MBT | Page 67
Turkey and Indonesia to develop medium tank
PT Pindad dan FNSS Turki Sepakati Pembangunan Tank Medium Bersama ~ ARTILERI

Dont worry mate, we are working with Turkey on this tank, so Pindad engineers of course has already had this information from their Turkey mate.

Indonesia is also currently manufacturing Toyota engine, so maybe the future possibility is working with Japan in term of developing engine for military vehicle since there has already been many Toyota supplier in Indonesia. And Japan has also changed their law which favors of any military cooperation possibility with other friendly nation.

 

[MarveL]

Dont worry mate, we are working with Turkey on this tank, so Pindad engineers of course has already had this information from their Turkey mate.

pindad light tank prototype

 

[Indos]

pindad tank prototype

This is not the medium tank that we are currently working with Turkey, it is just IFV, it is designed independently by PT PINDAD, the code name is SBS

 

[Nike]

This is not the medium tank that we are currently working with Turkey, it is just IFV, it is designed independently by PT PINDAD, the code name is SBS

Actually it was designed to be the supplement of Medium tank, they can be IFV or APC version and most likely they will be armed with .50 cal or 20 mm rapid cannon. Ah but it still a long way to go, because it still only physically completed not technically.

 

[Indos]

Actually it was designed to be the supplement of Medium tank, they can be IFV or APC version and most likely they will be armed with .50 cal or 20 mm rapid cannon. Ah but it still a long way to go, because it still only physically completed not technically.

It looks like Pindad has already prepared its amphibious version by looking where they put the exhaust on......(BTW, how about your shopping result....)

 

[MarveL]

This is not the medium tank that we are currently working with Turkey, it is just IFV, it is designed independently by PT PINDAD, the code name is SBS

SBS? meh.. the designer must be a hallyu fans

 

[kalu_miah]

Dont worry mate, we are working with Turkey on this tank, so Pindad engineers of course has already had this information from their Turkey mate.

Indonesia is also currently manufacturing Toyota engine, so maybe the future possibility is working with Japan in term of developing engine for military vehicle since there has already been many Toyota supplier in Indonesia. And Japan has also change their law which favors of any military cooperation possibility with other friendly nation.

Great to hear that Indonesia is manufacturing Toyota engine. Is it this one:
Toyota Brings More Jobs and Opportunity to Indonesia | TOYOTA MOTOR CORPORATION GLOBAL WEBSITE

Hopefully they will open design center for 100% design and development of engines with this plant in future, if they don't have it in the plan already. The key is to get ability to design engine from scratch, which sometimes companies are not very willing to transfer from their home country. @Nihonjin1051

In case of Turkey they have developed two design centers one for Ford-Otosan and the other at Tumosan. Hopefully there will be design centers in this Toyota plant in the future, so Indonesian engineers can start designing engines on their own.

The engines that I see listed in above link are small engines, I believe. A possible project for Ford Motors could be to develop a right hand side drive version of their Cargo heavy commercial vehicle in Ford-Otosan design facility in Turkey for markets in Thailand, Indonesia, Malaysia, Pakistan, Bangladesh, India, Africa, UK, ANZ and Japan:

Ford Cargo - Ford Cargo nakliye serisi - Ford Türkiye

Similar engines and designs could be used for military transport vehicles.

 

[Nike]

It looks like Pindad has already prepared its amphibious version by looking where they put the exhaust on......(BTW, how about your shopping result....)

not bad hehehe, just going to grocery store after all

US Navy Dan TNI-AL Latihan Di Batam
Today 17:16
BATAM, METRO: Sejumlah personil US Navy dan TNI-AL berlatih bersama di Batam dalam sepekan sejak, Senin (18/8) lalu. Pertemuan kedua serdadu matra laut yang juga melibatkan pergeseran pasukan (Serpas) beberapa prajurit dari Pangkalan Udara TNI-AL (Lanudal) Tanjungpinang, itu dilakukan antara lain di Bandara Internasional Hang Nadim dan Harbour Bay.

“Kegiatan selama sekitar seminggu,” kata seorang anggota TNI-AL yang turut dalam latihan. Banyak materi teori yang diikuti para perwira, bintara maupun tamtama, bahkan berkenaan dengan itu di Hang Nadim juga sempat mendarat dan parkir sebuah pesawat intai milik US Marine sejenis Hercules.

Menurut sumber, selain untuk mengisi bahan bakar, singgahnya pesawat militer asing P-3C US Navy di area belakang bangunan VVIP Bandara Hang Nadim yang dikawal pesawat TNI-AL, itu lantaran sedang mengikuti latihan perang bareng 35 negara di Cilangkap, Jakarta.

Latihan gabungan (Latgab) antara TNI dan Global Peace Operation Initiative (GPOI) Amerika dibuka Panglima TNI Jenderal Moeldoko bersama dengan General Vincent K Brooks selaku Commanding General of USARPAC (United States Army Pacific) di Pusat Misi Pemelihara Perdamaian (PMPP) TNI di Sentul Bogor, Jawa Barat, Senin pagi.(kau)

Sebelumnya di Batam juga berlangsung acara Multilateral Naval Exercise Komodo (MNEK) yang dibuka di Swiss Bell Harbour Bay Hotel, Sabtu (29/3) lalu.

Negara yang ikut latihan yakni Brunei Darussalam, Thailand, Filipina, Vietnam, Kamboja, Myanmar, Laos, India, Jepang, Korea Selatan, Selandia Baru, Amerika Serikat, China, Rusia, Australia, Malaysia, dan Singapura.

Sebagaimana dilansir Dinas Penerangan TNI-AL, selain negara peserta ada juga 25 personil Perserikatan Bangsa-Bangsa (PBB) Uni eropa, Belanda, Spanyol yang datang sebagai observer di kegiatan yang mengerahkan 19 kapal perang, 6 pesawat udara yang terdiri dari 2 fixed wing dan 4 rotary wing, termasuk melibatkan unsur dari Kesatuan Penjagaan laut dan Pantai (KPLP) Departemen Perhubungan sebanyak 2 kapal dan 1 kapal dari SKK Migas.

Rusia mengerahkan kapal perusak, tanker, dan kapal tunda, sedangkan Amerika Serikat mengirimkan kapal angkut militer USNS Cesar Chavez serta helikopter penyelamat. Total dari negara sahabat ada 14 kapal perang dan 4 helikopter, dengan lokasi latihan di perairan yurisdiksi nasional Indonesia, laut Natuna dan Anambas, sedangkan kegiatan civic mission serentak di tujuh lokasi di sekitarnya. 4.885 personil diturunkan saat itu, terbagi atas 3.000 prajurit TNI-AL, TNI-AD, TNI-AU, dan Polri, serta 1.885 prajurit angkatan laut dari 17 negara ASEAN dan negara sahabat.

Latihan itu menitikberatkan pada materi aspek non war fighting, yaitu mengorganisir dan kerjasama antar negara terhadap berbagai bentuk ancaman keamanan maritim dengan momfokuskan pada materi latihan yang meliputi Humanitarian Assistance (HA) dan Humanian Civic Action (HCA), Disaster Relief menghadapi Transnational Organized Crimes dan Peace Keeping Operation.

Kata Kepala Staf TNI-AL, Laksamana Marsetio, latihan itu menggunakan dua skenario. Pertama, skenario bencana alam, baik tsunami, topan, maupun gempa bumi. Kedua, skenario bencana akibat ulah manusia, berupa kecelakaan terkait pengeboran dan pengangkutan minyak dan gas lepas pantai.(kau)

Sumber:
http://posmetrobatam.com/2014/08/us-...ihan-di-batam/

Just as usual, Indonesia and US Navy exercises

 

[Nike]

SBS? meh.. the designer must be a hallyu fans

SBS is fans corner in Eichiro Oda One Piece manga books right?

 

[Nike]

Indonesia and US to sign Apache MoU

Jon Grevatt, Bangkok - IHS Jane's Defence Industry
20 August 2014

Indonesia and the United States are expected to sign an agreement soon to facilitate the Indonesian Army's (TNI-AD's) enhanced operation of on-order Boeing AH-64E Apache attack helicopters.

The Indonesian Ministry of Defence said on 20 August that the memorandum of understanding (MoU) will cover the handling and security of data and communications received by the Apache during TNI operations.

The MoU is currently under review by the TNI chiefs of staffs. Defence Minister Purnomo Yusgiantoro said he hoped this review would be completed soon to enable ratification of the MoU so the US could deliver the Apache helicopters to Indonesia before the 69th anniversary of the TNI on 5 October.


Source: http://www.janes.com/article/42195/i...ign-apache-mou