Indonesia Defence Forum

[fadine]

Yang mengejutkan, orang-orang miskin Indonesia tidak menyukai Komunisme. Anda seharusnya tidak membiarkan kaum borjuis dan takhayul agama membodohi.

 

[Raduga]

Yang mengejutkan, orang-orang miskin Indonesia tidak menyukai Komunisme. Anda seharusnya tidak membiarkan kaum borjuis dan takhayul agama membodohi.

communism never guarantee it will eliminated poverty , communism in indonesia already failed and defeated since 1965 , the truth is , your country even lacking in communism identity , (it's just another capitalism in disguise)

 

[GraveDigger388]

Yang mengejutkan, orang-orang miskin Indonesia tidak menyukai Komunisme. Anda seharusnya tidak membiarkan kaum borjuis dan takhayul agama membodohi.

Paan si..

 

[Kucing itu imut]

communism never guarantee it will eliminated poverty , communism in indonesia already failed and defeated since 1965 , the truth is , your country even lacking in communism identity , (it's just another capitalism in disguise)

Well, he's somewhat right about the religion part. We have khilafah stuff knocking on our door now. Depends on President action, they can be a real threat in the future just like PKI & Communism.

Latest news says they openly want Kitab Suci above Constitution. If President didn't do anything to address this issue like communism in Soeharto era (not the mass killing part), I can only facepalm my face.

I like how they play it. If I'm in their shoes, I would do something similar. As pepatah katakan: Divide and conquer.

Internal threat is still a threat tho.

 

[fadine]

communism never guarantee it will eliminated poverty , communism in indonesia already failed and defeated since 1965 , the truth is , your country even lacking in communism identity , (it's just another capitalism in disguise)

Vietnam is still far from developing into Communism.
But I'm not surprised why Indonesia is not a communist country, I'm just surprised why Indonesians hate such Communism.

Paan si..

Gaje lu.

 

[Cromwell]

If Communism was so beloved then why USSR dissolved, why Eastern Europe communist regimes toppled and even Nicolae Caucescu was executed by his own people, why China develops " Chinese style socialism " with capitalist characteristic society, why people migrating from poor Communist or ex-Communist states to Capitalist wealthy states like US, and why many Vietnamese forumers so embraced American companies, die hard defending US trade war policies and even worships Donald J.Trump ( very symbol of US capitalist personification ) ?

 

[mejikuhibiu]

The only pure comm still exist now just north korea..and look what happen to them now..
Why comm cant exist in Indonesia now because pki have bad record far from 30s,40s specially gestapu 1965..thats why comm banned in indonesia..i saw in medsos that they try to exis again..and i think govt know how to handle this grup..
And khilafah case..they dont have an good concept..from they concept you can call a ketua RT as khilafah too..this movement start from early 50s with di/tii kartosuwiryo separatis group..than they transform to NII..almost khilafah movement have affiliation with NII..
For me govt cant do soft aproachment to them..because they have an radical idiology and emotional about religion..
They teach they idiology from campus to campus and from pengajian to pengajian..and now we can see much of them in medsos with an hadist and sunnah lecture..

 

[Nike]

Marsekal Hadi using French to interview new recruit member from France.

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[Kucing itu imut]

And khilafah case..they dont have an good concept..from they concept you can call a ketua RT as khilafah too..this movement start from early 50s with di/tii kartosuwiryo separatis group..than they transform to NII..almost khilafah movement have affiliation with NII..
For me govt cant do soft aproachment to them..because they have an radical idiology and emotional about religion..
They teach they idiology from campus to campus and from pengajian to pengajian..and now we can see much of them in medsos with an hadist and sunnah lecture..

And that's what made them really dangerous. They use soft power to approach people. From heart to heart wrapped in religion. You know how fanatic some Indonesian can be for religion. They're like a time bomb. If the government handle it poorly, they will use those zombies as a shield.

Very different with PKI or Communism issue. Police can handle or ban it openly and not much people will defend them because of the stigma it have. But what about khilafah? The police can't ban it or isolate their activities like discussion forum openly because it's Islam. The silent of major groups like NU and Muhammadiyah didn't help either.

In my opinion, at this rate, we don't need to wait for foreign countries to attack us to destroy Indonesia. We can silently watch how Indonesia disintegrate from within. Just a matter of time.

 

[mejikuhibiu]

And that's what made them really dangerous. They use soft power to approach people. From heart to heart wrapped in religion. You know how fanatic some Indonesian can be for religion. They're like a time bomb. If the government handle it poorly, they will use those zombies as a shield.

Very different with PKI or Communism issue. Police can handle or ban it openly and not much people will defend them because of the stigma it have. But what about khilafah? The police can't ban it or isolate their activities like discussion forum openly because it's Islam. The silent of major groups like NU and Muhammadiyah didn't help either.

In my opinion, at this rate, we don't need to wait for foreign countries to attack us to destroy Indonesia. We can silently watch how Indonesia disintegrate from within. Just a matter of time.

Govt has do a right thing to banned hti..and will not continued izin fpi..
They now just change movement from uneffective terrorism movement to dakwah movement..
govt need a board to watch this since mui and other religious organitatie not effective to counter them..cause they have a member in mui and other..
Im not a politic man..but im glad that prosandi not win the election..we all know whos / what movement behind them

 

[Gundala]

Has anyone here been watching Singaporean youtube account " PIGMOON K " ? It's interesting content and i highly recommend this

I did, it was funny at first but the more I read it the more I know that he has some problem with his head. The topic about our FIR which I try to give different perspective ended up in troll drama. His superiority complex seems to have overcome his head, combine with kinda ADHD made it hard to comunicate with him

 

[Cromwell]

Marsekal Hadi using French to interview new recruit member from France.

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Air Chief Marshal Hadi Tjahjanto was educated in Ecole de Guerre militaire polytechnique, so no surprise he speaks French fluently. Actually it's good we have NATO states educated Commander of Armed Forces, he knows well directing development & modernisation modelling NATO states military

 

[Gundala]

Reportedly IDF ( Israel Defence Forces ) personnels enjoying Indonesian coffee
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Reportedly a praying book of Israeli instructors to TNI during Soeharto era
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LOL Indonesian coffee is da shit Anyway there is a book that I read (I couldnt recall if its benny moerdani biography or BIN) about our covert "business" with mxssad. I was kinda surprised how "big" their attention toward us back then. Not sure why, but from couple of book that I read this special interest really intrigued me. Tho up until now I coulndt sum up the logical reason

 

[Cromwell]

LOL Indonesian coffee is da shit Anyway there is a book that I read (I couldnt recall if its benny moerdani biography or BIN) about our covert "business" with mxssad. I was kinda surprised how "big" their attention toward us back then. Not sure why, but from couple of book that I read this special interest really intrigued me. Tho up until now I coulndt sum up the logical reason

They say originally not for the taste but it's cheap and affordability also widely spread there. Don't ask me how come this products enter their market though

 

[Gundala]

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Well there are even Indonesian restaurants in Jerusalem & Tel Aviv such as these.
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And even this

Oh wow, thanks for the information. I really dont know why and how they got there. I would love to hear more about it.

Believe it or Not ... Indonesia with PTDI but Nothing .....

Aircraft Parts Export - Interesting data, thanks.

Air Chief Marshal Hadi Tjahjanto was educated in Ecole de Guerre militaire polytechnique, so no surprise he speaks French fluently. Actually it's good we have NATO states educated Commander of Armed Forces, he knows well directing development & modernisation modelling NATO states military

He went to France? Geezz I thought we only do US for overseas military education, silly me. Where else did we go outside US?