Indonesia Defence Forum

[HellFireIndo]

Garuda to Operate 100 Chinese Drones
In Indonesia, delivering cargo to the farthest reaches of the world’s biggest archipelago has forever been a challenge. Now its biggest airline PT Garuda Indonesia sees a solution in drones.

It plans to procure 100 unmanned aerial vehicles from China’s Beihang UAS Technology to ship goods across the nation’s more than 18,000 islands. Director for Cargo and Business Development Mohammad Iqbal said that the state-run airline will operate the drones from 30 logistic centers, each with a dedicated airstrip, within five years. “This will totally change the landscape of the logistic industry in Indonesia,” Iqbal said in an interview at the company’s Jakarta headquarters. “The outlook for the cargo business in Indonesia is not just good, but very good,” he added.

With a wingspan of 18 meters (60 feet), a range of 1,200 kilometers (750 miles) and a cargo capacity of 2.2 tons the drones will be assembled locally under license from Beihang and cost about 30% less than conventional cargo aircraft, Iqbal further added.

According to Planning Minister Bambang Brodjonegoro, Indonesia is preparing to spend more than $400 billion by 2024 to strengthen its infrastructure and retain its lead as a key mining and manufacturing hub in Southeast Asia including 25 new airports, as part of the government’s Highway in the Sky plan to improve connectivity.

From September Garuda will conduct trials with three drones in the eastern part of the country which will last till the end of the year. Commercial runs will start early next year in the Maluku islands. The drones will fly seafood to Garuda’s cargo hub in Makassar for onward shipping to Hong Kong and Singapore.

Many parts of Indonesia are still inaccessible, despite massive investments in roads and bridges during President Joko Widodo’s first term- the eastern fringes, such as Papua island in particular. The difficult mountainous terrain there makes ground transportation extremely difficult and uneconomical. Bolstering its cargo operations would also help Garuda cope with falling passenger demand as a result of rising ticket prices, said Fahressi Fahalmesta, an analyst at PT Ciptadana Sekuritas Asia.

Garuda would need government support to operate the drones. Not only would the military-grade machines have to use transmitters to relay their positions and other information, air-traffic controllers would need to be trained to manage the unmanned aircraft. The unmanned aircraft will further aid e-commerce in Southeast Asia’s biggest economy, where the rise of online shopping has boosted demand for logistics and shipping companies.

https://dronebelow.com/2019/07/01/garuda-to-operate-100-chinese-drones/

https://ev.buaa.edu.cn/info/1013/1602.htm


Another courier drone model also by Beihang, it designed to have a bigger capacity, but still in prototype phase as of 2019.

 

[Nike]

https://ev.buaa.edu.cn/info/1013/1602.htm


Another courier drone model also by Beihang, it designed to have a bigger capacity, but still in prototype phase as of 2019.

You know what, change the cargo bay with rack bombs and weapons and put necessary surveillance tools and sensor suite, voila the future unmanned bomber is will be realized in near future. There is no need for pilot training in large number as there is research to command several or even large fleets of drones from one module suite and intent AI research will give the platform necessary Freedom to excecute the missions

Modern bomber swarm like what happened during WW II will be happened again, but this time they will be unmanned

 

[Mr. Woof Woof]

Garuda to Operate 100 Chinese Drones
In Indonesia, delivering cargo to the farthest reaches of the world’s biggest archipelago has forever been a challenge. Now its biggest airline PT Garuda Indonesia sees a solution in drones.

It plans to procure 100 unmanned aerial vehicles from China’s Beihang UAS Technology to ship goods across the nation’s more than 18,000 islands. Director for Cargo and Business Development Mohammad Iqbal said that the state-run airline will operate the drones from 30 logistic centers, each with a dedicated airstrip, within five years. “This will totally change the landscape of the logistic industry in Indonesia,” Iqbal said in an interview at the company’s Jakarta headquarters. “The outlook for the cargo business in Indonesia is not just good, but very good,” he added.

With a wingspan of 18 meters (60 feet), a range of 1,200 kilometers (750 miles) and a cargo capacity of 2.2 tons the drones will be assembled locally under license from Beihang and cost about 30% less than conventional cargo aircraft, Iqbal further added.

According to Planning Minister Bambang Brodjonegoro, Indonesia is preparing to spend more than $400 billion by 2024 to strengthen its infrastructure and retain its lead as a key mining and manufacturing hub in Southeast Asia including 25 new airports, as part of the government’s Highway in the Sky plan to improve connectivity.

From September Garuda will conduct trials with three drones in the eastern part of the country which will last till the end of the year. Commercial runs will start early next year in the Maluku islands. The drones will fly seafood to Garuda’s cargo hub in Makassar for onward shipping to Hong Kong and Singapore.

Many parts of Indonesia are still inaccessible, despite massive investments in roads and bridges during President Joko Widodo’s first term- the eastern fringes, such as Papua island in particular. The difficult mountainous terrain there makes ground transportation extremely difficult and uneconomical. Bolstering its cargo operations would also help Garuda cope with falling passenger demand as a result of rising ticket prices, said Fahressi Fahalmesta, an analyst at PT Ciptadana Sekuritas Asia.

Garuda would need government support to operate the drones. Not only would the military-grade machines have to use transmitters to relay their positions and other information, air-traffic controllers would need to be trained to manage the unmanned aircraft. The unmanned aircraft will further aid e-commerce in Southeast Asia’s biggest economy, where the rise of online shopping has boosted demand for logistics and shipping companies.

https://dronebelow.com/2019/07/01/garuda-to-operate-100-chinese-drones/

Once upon a time there was a man said "infrastruktur langit". Ternyata ini maksudnya!

100 biji lagi, edun mah ieu teh.

 

[umigami]

They just following the order from user, but the Navy soon get the flaw from the PKR design and quite unsatisfied actually and people from KKIP and Menhan found the deals is not that ideal, if not they would put the program forward like how we strike the deal for the second batch of Nagapasa class as soon as the second PKR being finished a year ago. Instead the Navy brass, kkip and even Menhan himself join the search for ideal supplier

Flaw? What flaw??!

 

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The Visit of Repulic of Korea Air Force to PT NTP
Monday, 06 May 2019

On April 24, 2019, PT Nusantara Turbin and Propulsion (NTP) received a delegation visit from the Republic of Korea Air Force (ROKAF). One of the agenda was to discuss the work of the ROKAF aircraft engine. NTP is trusted by ROKAF to work on CT7 and DART7 engine overhauls. The CT7 engine is installed on CN-235 aircraft which are operated as ROKAF military transport aircraft, while the DART7 engine is installed on the HS 748 aircraft operated by ROKAF.

During the visit, ROKAF had the opportunity to see firsthand NTP facility for the overhaul process including the test cell facility for the CT7 and DART engines. Mr. Heru Widodo (VP of Sales Marketing), Mr. Budi Setiono (Sales Manager) and personnel from Engineering played an active role in welcoming and assisting ROKAF delegates during their visit at NTP. The collaboration between ROKAF and NTP is expected to continue as a synergy that is mutually beneficial for both parties in the future.

ROKAF's visit to the NTP's Shop to see the condition of the ROKAF's CT7 engine which is currently under maintenance in NTP

ROKAF Delegation with PT NTP Team in front of NTP's Test Cell Building

 

[katarabhumi]

Indonesia uncovers Neo-JI terror group that runs oil palm plantation business for funding
02 July 2019

JAKARTA - The arrest last weekend of an experienced leader of Jemaah Islamiah (JI) has unearthed a new tactic used by the South-east Asia terrorist group.

While militants such as JI had often relied on donations from members and sympathisers, and even robberies, to grow and fund their murderous activities, JI under its so-called "emir" (top leader) Para Wijayanto has been building economic strength by carrying on, among others, a oil palm plantation business in Sumatra and Kalimantan, police said.

Police are calling this group "Neo-JI", or new JI, as they conduct business while recruiting members and planning to set up a caliphate in the country, said police spokesman Dedi Prasetyo.

As an example of the Neo-JI's financial strength, Brigadier-General Dedi said its senior officials under Para's leadership were paid between 10 million rupiah (S$960) and 15 million rupiah a month. This is more than double Jakarta's minimum guaranteed wages of 3.9 million rupiah a month.

"To build strength, they recruit as many cadres as possible, conduct businesses and then expand. In the long term, their aim is to establish a caliphate in Indonesia," Brig-Gen Dedi told a media briefing on Monday (July 1). He did not disclose the group's other businesses besides the oil palm plantation.

Indonesia, the world's biggest exporter of oil palm, allows companies and well-off individuals to buy land and seeds to grow palm trees. Growers sell the fruits to milling plants for profits.

Anti-terror expert Adhe Bhakti of the Centre for Radicalism and Deradicalisation Studies (Pakar) told The Straits Times that JI operations had relied on donations from its members and funds from Al-Qaeda, the international terror outfit it is affiliated to. The militants had also used illegal means such as robbery and hacking websites.

Imam Samudera, a Bali bomber who was executed in November 2008, robbed a gold and jewellery shop in Banten province, and used some of the money for terror attacks.

Mr Adhe said: "Now they have started to think how to get fund flows sustainably by doing business at the organisation level, such as plantations, property brokerages, car rental and restaurants. Donations from their thousands of members are enough to start businesses."

Police scored big when Para was arrested early on Saturday morning (June 29) on the outskirts of Jakarta, as he had been on the run for 16 years.

Para is widely believed to be a student of Abu Bakar Basyir, the alleged mastermind of the 2002 Bali bombings that killed more than 200 people.

JI was also behind the 2009 attacks on the JW Marriott and Ritz-Carlton hotels, as well as the Australian embassy in Jakarta.

Four others were also arrested over the weekend, including Para's wife who played an active role in the organisation. Three others were his closest assistants.

Para, 54, was captured just after 6am in a hotel in Bekasi town, Beritasatu.com online news reported on Sunday, citing a police source.

Before becoming "emir" of neo-JI, Para held various senior positions and was involved in training and recruitment.

He has been on the police's "priority wanted list" since 2003.

Although the original JI was initially believed to have been decimated in Indonesia following a series of operations by security agencies, counter-terrorism experts had warned that young militants were being recruited and that the JI network may have expanded in the country to a 2,000-strong force.

The "Neo-JI" term was coined by police to describe this new threat.


How dangerous is Para?

Brig-Gen Dedi said the skills of the militants recruited by Para cover intelligence, paramilitary including making bombs and operating rockets, shooting as snipers.

Some of them were sent to Syria to obtain battle and killer skills and later returned to Indonesia.

Between 2013 and 2018, Para recruited and sent six batches of militants to Syria to join paramilitary training as well as to directly participate in battles.

Brig-Gen Dedi did not say how the Neo-JI received the initial capital to start businesses.

Financing is the most critical part of any terror cell, and militants justify robbing banks and jewellery shops to raise funds, experts have said.

Police said Para communicated with terror networks in the Philippines and al-Qaeda affiliated networks in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Police consider the terrorist as an intelligent individual with 19 years of experience in the terror network.

Para's wife, initialled MY, who was arrested with him on Saturday, according to police also had an active role in JI. One of those arrested along with Para last weekend was identified by police as BS, who served as a "liaison officer" between Para and the recruited militants who have travelled to Syria.

A fourth suspect had an important role to oversee JI operations in Indonesia, was arrested on Sunday, police said, in a residential complex in Bekasi.

A fifth suspect was nabbed on Sunday in Ponorogo, East Java province, and was in charge of heading JI operations in East Java province.

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/s...up-that-runs-oil-palm-plantation-business-for

 

[HellFireIndo]

You know what, change the cargo bay with rack bombs and weapons and put necessary surveillance tools and sensor suite, voila the future unmanned bomber is will be realized in near future. There is no need for pilot training in large number as there is research to command several or even large fleets of drones from one module suite and intent AI research will give the platform necessary Freedom to excecute the missions

Modern bomber swarm like what happened during WW II will be happened again, but this time they will be unmanned

Very costly and risky if we are talking about a peer-to-peer scenario, cause the like of Iron Dome SAM will make an easy target out of them. Even a dedicated Attack UAV rarely if ever used in saturation bombing/ swarm attack, i thought the modern day rule is that drones are supposed to be used in surgical strike, precision over raw firepower.

They could probably be useful in Papua for surveillance and logistics purpose, but for direct combat role i doubt their ability, even with heavy modifications like bomb rack/IWB, it wouldn't negate the fact that they are a civilian grade UAV after all, at least for this particular UAV. A fully independent AI computers installed on military drones is a kinda scary idea, even more so if it's in a swarm tactics against a blurred line of military-civilian installation. I prefer the good old heavy strategic bombers with high altitude flying for that matter, even a UAV version of it would do good. A concept for swarm of smaller drones did exist, namely the 6th gen European Fighter project and the Loyal Wingman project of the US-Australia, but they are mostly used around Electronic Warfare with limited combat ability.

 

[chandieka]

You know what, change the cargo bay with rack bombs and weapons and put necessary surveillance tools and sensor suite, voila the future unmanned bomber is will be realized in near future. There is no need for pilot training in large number as there is research to command several or even large fleets of drones from one module suite and intent AI research will give the platform necessary Freedom to execute the missions

Modern bomber swarm like what happened during WW II will have happened again, but this time they will be unmanned

"Modern bomber swarm like what happened during WW II will have happened again"

need to clarify that bomber in ww2 and present act differently even tho they purpose is similar which is to destroy key object/facilities.

bomber in ww2 experience resistance only to AA gun, interceptor or other fighters, but in today world or even goes back to the cold war (strategic or conventional) bomber is already obsolete with the development of guided missile (active or passive) to counter it not to mention supersonic interceptor (ex MiG-31).

if Air supremacy is not established in a battlefield the role of bomber (specially made one, not multirole aircraft) are equivalent to sending ur man to just die straight forward.

having a big formation of bomber are cool and all but in reality it's so unlogical to have one today.
(I mean it's like u ask for please hit me with all u got)

in an area with a high-intensity combat UAV are the most crucial for surveillance but also the most likely to get hit first.

They just following the order from user, but the Navy soon get the flaw from the PKR design and quite unsatisfied actually and people from KKIP and Menhan found the deals is not that ideal, if not they would put the program forward like how we strike the deal for the second batch of Nagapasa class as soon as the second PKR being finished a year ago. Instead the Navy brass, kkip and even Menhan himself join the search for ideal supplier

might want to back up ur statement about which thing(s) is a flaw with PKR design.

as far the sensor and armament go, I don't see that much of a big deal.

and wasn't the original purpose of PKR project was to replace the aging front-line ship and to be self sustain at building, design and maintain it?

 

[NEKONEKO]

but in today world or even goes back to the cold war (strategic or conventional) bomber is already obsolete with the development of guided missile (active or passive) to counter it not to mention supersonic interceptor (ex MiG-31).

There is thing called stealth technology.

if Air supremacy is not established in a battlefield the role of bomber (specially made one, not multirole aircraft) are equivalent to sending ur man to just die straight forward.

That's why MR pointed out that in the future it will be unmanned.

as far the sensor and armament go, I don't see that much of a big deal.

and wasn't the original purpose of PKR project was to replace the aging front-line ship and to be self sustain at building, design and maintain it?

Yeah.

 

[nametag]

https://ev.buaa.edu.cn/info/1013/1602.htm


Another courier drone model also by Beihang, it designed to have a bigger capacity, but still in prototype phase as of 2019.

You wan't Garuda to buy paper plane? not even a prototype are available yet.

Is beihang even a legit company? Does anyone have any info about it? The only info i can gather from the internet is that Beihang is actually a university that made a company to sell UAV (reminds me about Esemka). Your link above even stated so.

Are there any info about any country/institution that already operated their UAV even in china? what type UAV that they produced?

Are there any airlines/cargo company that operated UAV that deliver cargo?

Seriously there are too many question about this transaction, even the company is shrouded in mystery

 

[Mr. Woof Woof]

Very costly and risky if we are talking about a peer-to-peer scenario, cause the like of Iron Dome SAM will make an easy target out of them. Even a dedicated Attack UAV rarely if ever used in saturation bombing/ swarm attack, i thought the modern day rule is that drones are supposed to be used in surgical strike, precision over raw firepower.

They could probably be useful in Papua for surveillance and logistics purpose, but for direct combat role i doubt their ability, even with heavy modifications like bomb rack/IWB, it wouldn't negate the fact that they are a civilian grade UAV after all, at least for this particular UAV. A fully independent AI computers installed on military drones is a kinda scary idea, even more so if it's in a swarm tactics against a blurred line of military-civilian installation. I prefer the good old heavy strategic bombers with high altitude flying for that matter, even a UAV version of it would do good. A concept for swarm of smaller drones did exist, namely the 6th gen European Fighter project and the Loyal Wingman project of the US-Australia, but they are mostly used around Electronic Warfare with limited combat ability.

We are not going to attack our neighbours.
Our potential threat is terrorism, separatism, caliphate ideology, illegal fishing. Thus these 100 equal to 7 squadrons of uav's could be used to eliminate these threats.

 

[HellFireIndo]

You wan't Garuda to buy paper plane? not even a prototype are available yet.

Is beihang even a legit company? Does anyone have any info about it? The only info i can gather from the internet is that Beihang is actually a university that made a company to sell UAV (reminds me about Esemka). Your link above even stated so.

Are there any info about any country/institution that already operated their UAV even in china? what type UAV that they produced?

Are there any airlines/cargo company that operated UAV that deliver cargo?

Seriously there are too many question about this transaction, even the company is shrouded in mystery

I'm just being intrigued by the concept, a courier drone sounds like a good idea for a low-cost goods transportation in isolated areas with minimum infrastructure. Of course Garuda have tons of staffs much more qualified than i am, they aren't kids who are easily hooked by a toy advertisement, their every decision involves a lot money and people, so of course they won't just jump in and buy 100 drones each cost millions of dollars from a "shady" company.

Garuda is currently assessing this courier drone idea, a lot can happen and there's no reason to be worried about it. They are planning to conduct a trial of 3 drones, the smaller one who have the more conventional design it seems, and as you can see there's already a finished product.

We are not going to attack our neighbours.
Our potential threat is terrorism, separatism, caliphate ideology, illegal fishing. Thus these 100 equal to 7 squadrons of uav's could be used to eliminate these threats.

We are not going to attack our neighbor, but we have to show very clearly to any stupid politicians out there of what we are capable to do if they are stupid enough to consider challenging us. We are big, and pretending to be small forever is impossible, pretending to be invisible forever is also out of question either. If there's choice whether to invest in conventional warfare or asymmetrical warfare, i'd rather take both. Geopolitical policies is not determined by intention, but by capability, nobody cares if you are considerate, kind and generous, but if you are a big competitor of them and percieved as "vulnerable", then they would still harass you. Everyone would think twice, thrice even before trying to disturb a strong country who are capable to steamroll it's neighbors, but at the same time have the potential to be a worthy "ally", there's a reason Israel is a big deal even with it's size.

 

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Tellumat-supplied IFF system operating on Indonesian Navy corvette

Tellumat has successfully completed a three year contract for the supply of an Identification Friend or Foe (IFF) system for the Indonesian Navy, providing one of its warship’s with the ability to safeguard itself by responding to interrogations from other friendly vessels or aircraft and preventing friend-on-friend incidents.

Tellumat’s Defence & Security business unit, a South African manufacturer and supplier of defence solutions, provided the PT-2500 naval IFF system to UK-based Ultra Electronics – prime contractor for the mid-life upgrade (MLU) of Indonesian Navy corvette KRI Fatahillah.

Brian Ferguson, Key Accounts Manager at Tellumat Defence & Security, said Tellumat was contracted in December 2013. A period of system engineering and implementation followed until handover, whereupon it was installed, commissioned and accepted into service.

The warship was handed to the Ministry of Defence of the Republic of Indonesia in December 2016. In 2017, the Indonesian Navy had the system in hand, enabling necessary trials and checks, the favourable outcome of which culminated in the end of a successful project.

The IFF system is a key part of the KRI Fatahillah’s new combat management system and sensors, replaced along with the ship’s re-powering and general overhaul, Tellumat said.

Ferguson said of the strategic value of this contract to Tellumat. “Not only has it seen the netting of a new customer in Ultra Electronics, but also a new end-user – the Indonesian Navy – as well as the opportunity to integrate the naval IFF system with a new platform type.”

Tellumat is a reputable and longstanding supplier of defence systems, he said. Part of the reason for this is the company’s flexibility and willingness to customise systems, provide full project management and client interaction.
“We are a niche and stable supplier with the flexibility to provide more personal service, including technology transfer, which larger suppliers struggle to accomplish,” he said.
“Being from a non-aligned country speaks volumes for our flexibility and independence,” Ferguson said.

The upgrade effectively adds at least 15 years to the life of the Fatahillah, which is currently 40 years old.
“We are delighted to be recognized with this prestigious contract from Ultra Electronics and the Republic of Indonesia. We have demonstrated our hands-on collaborative style and our flexibility and non-aligned status. It’s with a matter of great pride we were able to meet the respective needs of client and end-user and we look forward to further opportunities to develop this and similar relationships in time to come.”

 

[Mr. Woof Woof]

We are not going to attack our neighbor, but we have to show very clearly to any stupid politicians out there of what we are capable to do if they are stupid enough to consider challenging us. We are big, and pretending to be small forever is impossible, pretending to be invisible forever is also out of question either. If there's choice whether to invest in conventional warfare or asymmetrical warfare, i'd rather take both. Geopolitical policies is not determined by intention, but by capability, nobody cares if you are considerate, kind and generous, but if you are a big competitor of them and percieved as "vulnerable", then they would still harass you. Everyone would think twice, thrice even before trying to disturb a strong country who are capable to steamroll it's neighbors, but at the same time have the potential to be a worthy "ally", there's a reason Israel is a big deal even with it's size.

Oh buat nakut-nakuti stupid politician di salah satu negeri itu ?

Kalo itu mah gampang! panggil aja tuh yang di sono tuh buat latihan navigasi di radius 500 - 1000 km dari negeri itu...kayak tempo hari itu...beberapa biji aja yang gede2 itu latihan navigasi...udah kringet dingin mereka.

 

[HellFireIndo]

Oh buat nakut-nakuti stupid politician di salah satu negeri itu ?

Kalo itu mah gampang! panggil aja tuh yang di sono tuh buat latihan navigasi di radius 500 - 1000 km dari negeri itu...kayak tempo hari itu...beberapa biji aja yang gede2 itu latihan navigasi...udah kringet dingin mereka.

Gak hanya satu negara tertentu, kalau bisa ya semua tetangga di deter. Stupid Politician itu semua negara ada, termasuk Indonesia, begitu juga tetangga, tapi lebih baik apabila dampak dari stupid politician itu ada di seberang perbatasan daripada di dalam negeri. Aku sih anti kalo kita ngandelin grant akses ke lautan dan daratan kita yang luas, bukan itu intinya, pada akhirnya nanti malah berkebalikan dengan prinsip kita untuk menjadi mandiri dan kuat, apa bedanya nanti dengan para negara vassal di seberang lautan sana? yang mengandalkan negara adidaya untuk keamanan mereka?

Pada dasarnya, negara besar itu anti dengan "sekutu" yang setara, mereka lebih senang apabila suatu negara bisa menjadi alat yang mudah diatur, dan bukan partner yang sederajat. Entah itu bisa diatur dan dieksploitasi perekonomiannya, dijadiin buffer state, jadiin pangkalan militer atau sekedar termasuk dalam sphere of influence, jangan salah karena itu semua berasal dari ajakan manis untuk "bersekutu", jadi teman, walau nyatanya apabila ada kesempatan, para negara besar pasti akan jadiin mereka kacung untuk kepentingan sendiri.

Memang bisa jadi nunjukin bahwa kita bisa kasih akses ke si doi itu bisa buat para curut berpikir dua kali untuk macam-macam, tapi pada akhirnya apakah mereka takutnya pada Indonesia sendiri? tentu tidak, dan itu tidak akan menguntungkan kita dalam jangka panjang.