Indo-Pak No-War Pact:A Visit Manmohan must make

[Wickerman]

Then never expect respect for indian security forces.And the cry foul when you couldnt tolerate it and then go on begging spree for the respect for soldiers everywhere.

Did you read the part and watch that video where the Maoist commander admitted that they rape 10-12 year old kids before inducting them? And this is the organization you support? You know, you are digging yourself a grave here going on with this rhetoric.

 

[Hulk]

Pakistan has no control over on 26/11 type incidents and it cant prevent it etirely.Even usa could not preven 9/11 from non state actors.
As for weapons going waste -if you want you can gift them to L-e-T so that they can carry on with their proxy war on india.

one thing you must understand is that you are signing no-war pact with pakistani govt and GoP has no control over groups like LeT etc fighting against india.If GoI wants they can sign separate no-war pact with those groups carrying out proxy war in india.

Are you kidding me?
They tried their level best not to accept Kasab as their citizen until it became impossible. It was one month before they accepted it.

All the planning for 26/11 happened in Pakistan, all the key conspirators are in Pakistan. Yet have you seen them conducting any inquiry into the incidence and finding about the information that India did not find?

In 4 years they have not provided the voice samples yet, is it so hard?

India only has a pawn and they have the mastermind, they are 5 times better placed to uncover details of 26/11 that India cannot do without their help. Yet what have they contributed?

It clearly shows that they have no will to uncover 26/11 and there can be only two reasons.

1) Either the state was involved in it and hence they are doing what they should be doing, protecting their state actors who they call non state actors only because of fear of the world.

2) They are not involved but fully support terrorist organisation that operates against India, hence trying their level best to protect them.

Pick whichever you want.

 

[Wickerman]

You want me to believe the TO-let which indians themselves dont believe?
Even if such this news is true i dont take it on face value with rise of criminal gangs using maoists name for their own narrow ends there are many reports of rise of fake maoists being arrested by police.

Oh of course, a Maoist leader talking about it on TV wont convince you but you know all about criminal gangs and corrupt media!! Get real kiddo. Your incompetence and boneheadedness have been exposed.

 

[ajtr]

Nope, nuclear deal was beneficial to India. this is just a meaningless exercise which serves no real purpose & is extremely risky in terms of the political blowback if a terror attack were to occur.

nuke deal and relations with pak are both MMS' pet project and as i can see he will soon make this happen too before he leaves office in 2014 just like nuke deal.he does feel improvement of relations with pak is beneficial to india.

 

[karan.1970]

Just a quick correction, the nuclear deal was in the last year of the previous term, almost like now but this is still a useless exercise. Could have been considered if the Pakistanis had done something on 26/11. In the present conditions, it would be suicidal & even if MMS wants to commit suicide, the Congress party won't be in any great hurry to join him.

Agree on the suicide bit.. On the timing though I was talking about the initiation of the deal which started in 2005 with a joint statement between Bush and Manmohan.. Since the so called war pact between India and Pak (if at all that pipe dream becomes a reality) will similarly take years to finalize..

Then never expect respect for indian security forces.And the cry foul when you couldnt tolerate it and then go on begging spree for the respect for soldiers everywhere.

We dont expect any respect for our forces from wanna be Pakistanis like you anyway

nuke deal and relations with pak are both MMS' pet project and as i can see he will soon make this happen too before he leaves office in 2014 just like nuke deal.he does feel improvement of relations with pak is beneficial to india.

He just doesnt have the political capital to drive this...

 

[ajtr]

Are you kidding me?
They tried their level best not to accept Kasab as their citizen until it became impossible. It was one month before they accepted it.

All the planning for 26/11 happened in Pakistan, all the key conspirators are in Pakistan. Yet have you seen them conducting any inquiry into the incidence and finding about the information that India did not find?

In 4 years they have not provided the voice samples yet, is it so hard?

India only has a pawn and they have the mastermind, they are 5 times better placed to uncover details of 26/11 that India cannot do without their help. Yet what have they contributed?

It clearly shows that they have no will to uncover 26/11 and there can be only two reasons.

1) Either the state was involved in it and hence they are doing what they should be doing, protecting their state actors who they call non state actors only because of fear of the world.

2) They are not involved but fully support terrorist organisation that operates against India, hence trying their level best to protect them.

Pick whichever you want.

i cant rule your thinking but bottom line as i see is pakistan cant control groups fighting india or any future mumbai type incidents.There are multiple reasons for it ..The rise of local muslim millitancy due to discrimination of minorities and india's agression on civilian population of kashmir and riots like gujarat types are responsible for 26/11 incidents and solution to these are in indian hands not in pakistan's hand As IK also affirmed to it at recent india today conference.Solve kashmir to stop future mumbais.

 

[Hulk]

Pakistan and India can achieve peace only when India recognizes [really] Pakistan's existence and stop dwelling in pre-47 mindset. There is only ONE factor that will gradually result in peace between India and Pakistan that something is called "Commerce Interdependency" - No one fights and compromise only prevails when there is something to lose on both sides.

Give me an example of where India does not recognize Pakistan?

 

[Kompromat]

Come one mate!! You should stop this nonsense.. I know you are better than this.. We Indians are more than happy to acknowledge Pakistan as a country.. Show me when we tried to anex Pakistan back to India?? To be frank both nations are better off being Independent and I am sure almost all the Indians here will agree with it..

It, doesn't matter what Indian public thinks because there are people in upper echelons of Indian hierarchy who have other priorities. They want, to force Pakistan into submission [annexation is impossible]. Some folks in India want to turn Pakistan into a subservient, state which will not happen in a millennia. Indian F.policy is subversive, its strategic vision is divisive and subversive. [Create internal havoc and then arrive as a savior strategy]. The, day India pulls the plug off its agenda of establishing regional hegemony and carrying out well drafted tactics of subversion, we will start talking about a no war pact.

I agree!!

Interdependency is the only option.

 

[ajtr]

We dont expect any respect for our forces from wanna be Pakistanis like you anyway

you are like Wanna be pdf indian patriot

He just doesnt have the political capital to drive this...

he doesnt need any.All he needs is madamji's blessings.that he already has.

 

[Kompromat]

Give me an example of where India does not recognize Pakistan?

Read post 83.

 

[Hulk]

i cant rule your thinking but bottom line as i see is pakistan cant control groups fighting india or any future mumbai type incidents.There are multiple reasons for it ..The rise of local muslim millitancy due to discrimination of minorities and india's agression on civilian population of kashmir and riots like gujarat types are responsible for 26/11 incidents and solution to these are in indian hands not in pakistan's hand As IK also affirmed to it at recent india today conference.Solve kashmir to stop future mumbais.

Don't side step answer my question, if they were really helping us and not part of the people who attacked us, what have they done to investigate it? Given that all the major masterminds are living in their soil.

Don't tell me that they are so incompetent that they cannot get the story out when the director, writer, actor and producer of the film is with them.

Don't give which is purely hypothetical and emotional, it means nothing.

 

[ajtr]

Give me an example of where India does not recognize Pakistan?

indians dont recognize pakistan and there are many of them.

 

[Hulk]

indians dont recognize pakistan and there are many of them.

I asked give me an example, you made a statement.

 

[karan.1970]

i cant rule your thinking but bottom line as i see is pakistan cant control groups fighting india or any future mumbai type incidents.There are multiple reasons for it ..The rise of local muslim millitancy due to discrimination of minorities and india's agression on civilian population of kashmir and riots like gujarat types are responsible for 26/11 incidents and solution to these are in indian hands not in pakistan's hand As IK also affirmed to it at recent india today conference.Solve kashmir to stop future mumbais.

If Pakistan can not control these groups, which i kind of agree to, given the way Pakistan's erst while strategic assets are running amok within Pakistan, killing civilians and military men at will, India really does not have any incentives to do this pact and reduce pressure on Pakistan's eastern front..

 

[ajtr]

Don't side step answer my question, if they were really helping us and not part of the people who attacked us, what have they done to investigate it? Given that all the major masterminds are living in their soil.

They did capture lakhvi etc and cases are still going on.

Don't tell me that they are so incompetent that they cannot get the story out when the director, writer, actor and producer of the film is with them.

how they can when they aren't even associated with the movie. they are just like audience.

Don't give which is purely hypothetical and emotional, it means nothing.

Such attitudes only give rise to IM etc and then cities get blown up and indians like you cry foul.