Indigenous Fighter Aircraft to be a Reality Soon, Says Parrikar

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It's been designed to operate alongside IAF's Russian aircraft that don't need runways either.

AFAIK the Russian jets are the most susceptable to FOD in the IAF fleet that's why the MiG-29s have retractable grills on their air intakes and the MKIs have anti-FOD guards on their front landing gear.

AFAIK, the only jets to have been tested in "rough feild" conditions in the IAF are the Jaguar and Mirage 2000.

It will be a stable design with power by wire, no FBW. Cuts down flight testing by 3-4 years. F-22 took 8 years of tests before IOC, LSA will take 3-4.

Rafale/EFT were delayed due to business decisions after the end of Cold War, plus flight testing was more complex due to RSS design and FBW. LCA started with very few people. It was bound to take time if you have only a few hundred people working on it, it's different now.

I still don't see it UNLESS the MoD/IAF throws VAST amounts of money at the project from the outset.

Parrikar himself is talking about it. Formal announcement is expected soon.

Is he? I'm not convinced sir.

+ MP talks a LOT of nonsense.

 

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[Khyber Khan]

Open a Seperate thread for it,then will answer

I don't know how to use this forum. I am new here don't know how to start a new thread new post will you help me ?

 

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[PARIKRAMA]

No one is doubting his professionalism but does he have an established aerospace company with annual revenues in the billions of USD? If not, how can we possible take this seriosuly? It's like the IAF officer who designed glide bombs in his garden shed. The idea might be solid but the proposition as a whole is untenable. When the giants like Dassualt, Boeing, SAAB, LM etc aren't producing anything like this, can we really put trust in a former pilot's good idea?

A citizen of India as a single entity wont have that kind of budget any given day.. Of course he would require support from multiple parties like pvt sector and a credible backer either a foreign OEM or a country like Israel or from India - MOD

The answer lies to what i said before the LXX competition and you yourself said it bro

This is a much more sensible approach- give the deisgns to the most capable entities in India- ADA/HAL and have them test it against the LCA Mk.2 to see what the L-XX will be for production beyond 2023. Or give it to a private player and see what they can do with it.

This is the best way.. remember the FICV competition.. 2 competitors, funding my MOD, Winner takes the cake of the deal and all IPR with MOD but everything fully funded. We can make this way a case for all future competitions..

 

[randomradio]

No one is doubting his professionalism but does he have an established aerospace company with annual revenues in the billions of USD?

Yes, he has an Indian company backing him. Plus, there's the Israelis and the Indian govt.

This is a much more sensible approach- give the deisgns to the most capable entities in India- ADA/HAL and have them test it against the LCA Mk.2 to see what the L-XX will be for production beyond 2023. Or give it to a private player and see what they can do with it.

God no. He tried meeting HAL's chief. Apparently had to pay a huge bribe just to have a meeting. He found it easier to approach Parrikar, no bribe, nothing.

He's not going to touch HAL with a barge pole. An Indian private company will be the manufacturing partner.

It's single engined so the IN is not going to be too interested- they are only pursuing the N-LCA for developmental reasons, they aren't going to depend on it operationally. Likely they are hoping to leverage such expereince for the N-AMCA.

Is it a naval project ?

I ll dig in other forums mean while.. About this LSA

IAF version i guess.. wont be surprised if a naval version gets planned later..

His target customers are the IAF, IN and Israeli AF. IN needs a lot of long range coastal fighters.

 

[ni8mare]

Parrikar is talking about the new stealth aircraft. Squadron service in 4-5 years.

Massive weapons load, 16 A2A missiles
High supersonic maneuverability - F-22 equivalent
Massive range - Combat radius covers Beijing while flying from NE India.
High maneuverability - 3D TVC (British)
Next gen avionics - courtesy of the Israelis
Supercruise
Stealth

Doesn't need a runway.

The Israelis are part of this project. Triple digit orders from them.

STOP BSING

 

[Abingdonboy]

A citizen of India as a single entity wont have that kind of budget any given day.. Of course he would require support from multiple parties like pvt sector and a credible backer either a foreign OEM or a country like Israel or from India - MOD

Exactly right, anyone can have a good idea- it is how this idea is implemented and turned into reality that differentiates success from failure.

As we have said for a while now, it is in execution that India falls down on again and again.

This is the best way.. remember the FICV competition.. 2 competitors, funding my MOD, Winner takes the cake of the deal and all IPR with MOD but everything fully funded. We can make this way a case for all future competitions..

It's a proven model, it's how we got the F-22, F-35 (for better or worse), the F-16, the F-15 etc etc etc

God no. He tried meeting HAL's chief. Apparently had to pay a huge bribe just to have a meeting.

I'm sorry but I find this very hard to beleive. The cheif of a vast entity like HAL isn't going to be taking bribes like a common criminal or low level babu, this would land a CBI probe on him so fast.

He found it easier to approach Parrikar, no bribe, nothing.

So the Defence Minister of India met a complete nobody (in the sense he has no real expereince or pedigree in this field) and agreed to his propsal?

This just seems far too crazy to beleive, the MoD has such presentations being made to them on a weekly basis by some of the world's biggest companies with ample research and thorough approach. Could a one man band really come up with an equally compelling case? Really??

He's not going to touch HAL with a barge pole. An Indian private company will be the manufacturing partner.

Who is the private company?

Plus, there's the Israelis and the Indian govt.

Again, how does one man pull this off? Getting the backing of such professional institutions and foreign ones at that. The Israelis don't play around, if they are onboard (I find it doubtful), how did this happen??


@randomradio I apolgise for being so cynical but this seems simply unbelievable.


@PARIKRAMA

 

[randomradio]

AFAIK the Russian jets are the most susceptable to FOD in the IAF fleet that's why the MiG-29s have retractable grills on their air intakes and the MKIs have anti-FOD guards on their front landing gear.

AFAIK, the only jets to have been tested in "rough feild" conditions in the IAF are the Jaguar and Mirage 2000.

Su-30MKI is capable of rough field operations. So it's good to operate with the LSA in such conditions.

I still don't see it UNLESS the MoD/IAF throws VAST amounts of money at the project from the outset.

It's unnecessary. It will be cheaper than the LCA program. A lot of work has already been completed in past programs, so the LSA will directly benefit from existing tech. The Israelis will also add their know-how to this program. All the testing will be carried out from existing test facilities in both countries.

+ MP talks a LOT of nonsense.

He doesn't. Don't get carried away just because you have only half the picture. He's already on the road to become our best defence minister. What makes you think he talks nonsense? Many people here had no clue about the size and scale of the Rafale program, or chose not to believe it, they obviously have no clue about the LSA program. It's obvious none of what Parrikar says makes sense to them. At least you don't be among them.

He's managed to save the LCA program. Even though he is not supportive of it, he has given us really good terms on the Rafale deal. He has forced Russia to give us good terms on the FGFA deal. And now, he's creating a massive ecosystem of private company participation in the defence industry. Nobody's really done more than him when it comes to supporting the Indian industry.

So the Defence Minister of India met a complete nobody (in the sense he has no real expereince or pedigree in this field) and agreed to his propsal?

This just seems far too crazy to beleive, the MoD has such presentations being made to them on a weekly basis by some of the world's biggest companies with ample research and thorough approach. Could a one man band really come up with an equally compelling case? Really??

He has been working with Indian defence companies. They have a lot of his research. I don't know the story about how he met Parrikar, but that's for another time I guess.

Who is the private company?

Asked him that two years ago, he said he can't reveal it.

Again, how does one man pull this off? Getting the backing of such professional institutions and foreign ones at that. The Israelis don't play around, if they are onboard (I find it doubtful), how did this happen??

Everything fits bro. The Israelis want to cancel the F-35 program. They want more F-15s with the aid money.

Israel Reconsidering 2008 Purchase of U.S. Jets; Cabinet Mulls Cancelling Acquisition of Flawed Fighter-Jet Rejected By Most NATO Air Forces

Israel Prefers F-15 ‘Silent Eagles’ to More F-35s | War Is Boring

Now, Parrikar is talking about the LSA. Let's just give it time and we will see it for ourselves. I think everybody likes official confirmation.

@randomradio I apolgise for being so cynical but this seems simply unbelievable.

It's cool. I have been a cynic too. I've already asked him all of these questions.

 

[PARIKRAMA]

@Abingdonboy : Even though it may sound unbelievable, i would say lets give him a fair chance.. If he is able to pull off, its probably the start of a new era for our defense sector..

Its just the start of a long journey.. Lets give him a fair long rope.. After all its an Indian whose doing what we all had hoped for so long...

You know our Prez Kalam is an inspiration bcz he wanted us to
"Dream, Dream Dream
Dreams transform into thoughts
And thoughts result in action"

Lets hope for a bright future for LSA and its creator and wish him all the very best

 

[sathya]

I feel manoj parrikar is the best DM I know of,,.

He has been blunt, often retracted his statement either because of tactic or from pressures

But definitely the Best I ve known .

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If it isn't from a former pilot, I would say LSA seems like a fanboys dream.

One thing is pretty sure, with government organisation , you can't expect this much of speed.

Mind you he talked about a full Squadron in 4 years time.

I would at-least partially believed it was AMCA , coz already design and wind tunnel tests undergone..

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LSA

Already designs designed, all off the shelf technologies used, even everything is ready in hands now , I still doubt the timeline..

I guess he is very optimistic , Very.

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Negotiations , specification conclusion, with Israel , UK and intended time line - it's all not controllable...

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With dynamics are to be tested out in Israel , and said substantial help from Israel ,
Is it possible for him to ask countries for their participation with Government breathing out nothing ?

 

[ni8mare]

@Abingdonboy : Even though it may sound unbelievable, i would say lets give him a fair chance.. If he is able to pull off, its probably the start of a new era for our defense sector..

Its just the start of a long journey.. Lets give him a fair long rope.. After all its an Indian whose doing what we all had hoped for so long...

You know our Prez Kalam is an inspiration bcz he wanted us to
"Dream, Dream Dream
Dreams transform into thoughts
And thoughts result in action"

Lets hope for a bright future for LSA and its creator and wish him all the very best

Can show me thread where LSA was discussed

 

[PARIKRAMA]

Can show me thread where LSA was discussed

According to @randomradio , its in another forum called IDF.. Search for that and there you will find it.. its in IAF section..

Here its the tit bits what random is saying in this thread and sticky dassault.. But main data is in IDF

I feel manoj parrikar is the best DM I know of,,.

He has been blunt, often retracted his statement either because of tactic or from pressures

But definitely the Best I ve known .

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If it isn't from a former pilot, I would say LSA seems like a fanboys dream.

One thing is pretty sure, with government organisation , you can't expect this much of speed.

Mind you he talked about a full Squadron in 4 years time.

I would at-least partially believed it was AMCA , coz already design and wind tunnel tests undergone..

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LSA

Already designs designed, all off the shelf technologies used, even everything is ready in hands now , I still doubt the timeline..

I guess he is very optimistic , Very.

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Negotiations , specification conclusion, with Israel , UK and intended time line - it's all not controllable...

-----------------

With dynamics are to be tested out in Israel , and said substantial help from Israel ,
Is it possible for him to ask countries for their participation with Government breathing out nothing ?

Judging by that, i am supporting a very open LXX competition.. in 4-5 years max, protos can come out which can be completely evaluated and then between LCA MK2 and LSA one is chosen as winner and all resources pooled also into one winning project.

Its possible that at that time, MOD, DRDO, ADA, HAL all will then officially back LSA with everything and the project becomes a big success..

 

[randomradio]

If it isn't from a former pilot, I would say LSA seems like a fanboys dream.

Former navy pilot.

Judging by that, i am supporting a very open LXX competition.. in 4-5 years max, protos can come out which can be completely evaluated and then between LCA MK2 and LSA one is chosen as winner and all resources pooled also into one winning project.

Its possible that at that time, MOD, DRDO, ADA, HAL all will then officially back LSA with everything and the project becomes a big success..

Bro, for a competition of this type, the aircraft have to have similar capability. LSA is in the Rafale class. LSA's payload is 7.5 tons on 16 hardpoints. LCA's payload is 5 tons on 7 hardpoints. LCA's internal fuel fraction is 0.29. LSA's internal fuel fraction is 0.37.

There's really nothing to compare. They are two entirely different classes of aircraft.

Anyway, ADA/HAL won't be involved with LSA. The rest of DRDO will be expected to get involved though, like LASTEC, DARE, LRDE, GTRE etc, along with Elbit, Rafael, Elisra, IAI etc.

 

[PARIKRAMA]

Former navy pilot.



Bro, for a competition of this type, the aircraft have to have similar capability. LSA is in the Rafale class. LSA's payload is 7.5 tons on 16 hardpoints. LCA's payload is 5 tons on 7 hardpoints. LCA's internal fuel fraction is 0.29. LSA's internal fuel fraction is 0.37.

There's really nothing to compare. They are two entirely different classes of aircraft.

Anyway, ADA/HAL won't be involved with LSA. The rest of DRDO will be expected to get involved though, like LASTEC, DARE, LRDE, GTRE etc, along with Elbit, Rafael, Elisra, IAI etc.

I went by the name "Light" feeling its in that category....

in such a case why not let DM MP see a proto or 2 and make LSA replace LCA Mk2 completely.. and get the other parties especially DRDO and pvt sector involved in a big way... We need a sustainable MIC for stealth jet capability.

Why I said ADA/HAL was bcz since its a stealth bird, i was hoping that DRDO, ADA and HAL can use certain specific tech of LSA and develop it further for AMCA.

In short i am talking about a possibility of incremental technology evolution from LSA feeding AMCA program and in parallel Rafale and FGFA giving the top end technologies.

One more thing @randomradio
Can you ask the creator VSTOL about the stealth aspect and what kind of cost, downtime between sorties for maintenance and the doctrine fitment.. Is he feeling for a one more TASA or he is looking a for a multirole jet? Reason being with such high numbers the permutation combination are many possibilities for a mission.

In fact, why not use Israel and create a better than Growler capable LSA.. You know we have that segment need and we lack any capable jets in our squadron. Technically, with such payload capability, if suppose we can have something like these in place of IWBs say the jammer pods or may be incorporating the same within the IWBs but looking at how much actual signal attenuation and loss will occur to see if pods in IWBs can work for said range

A single engine LSA growler version can actually make it very very attractive