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India’s HAL Offers To Build 40 Additional Sukhoi Su-30MKI Fighters

PAF has the same number of JF-17 operational squadrons in service as there are the number of Tejas produced. Besides there's no much chance of a crash when you spend most of your time on the back of a trailer.


Don't Worry too much aboat Tejas OR IAF numbers

The Indians STILL have

250 OF these babies ie

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THATS 2 for every one of The Mighty Thunder

Not to Mention 50 of these
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When push comes TO SHOVE there is enough to take on both the PAF in particular

AND TEJAS is not on a TRAILER any more
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AND TEJAS is not on a TRAILER any more
It never was. HAL is so advanced compared to our neighbour's manufacturing capabilities that they still think a mock up by them before induction was a real aircraft.
 
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SU-30 MKI at one third cost of Rafale lol some has eaten a lot of money in Rafale.

French made Rafale fighter jet deal by Qatar and Egypt was done to keep the French away from Russian Federation and Chinese by United States of America in return of huge gas and petrol deals and even by keeping the war in West Asia but there was no transfer of technology given to Qatar and Egypt by the French.

Now Chinese and Russian Federation are working to give Rafale fighter jet deal to Pakistan Air Force and there would be transfer of technology given to Pakistan similarly like the Mirage Fighter jet which would be directly gone to the Chinese, Russian and Iranians.

HAL is like PIA corrupt to the core

su 30 licence produced without new AESA etc should cost this much

Indian Defense Industries doesnt export defense equipment with whom we are not having our national interest.

I think SU-30MKI now has AESA. India struck a deal with Russia few time back, I am not sure have to check it.

January 04, 2018

The People’s Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) took delivery of a second batch of ten Sukhoi Su-35 multirole fighter jets, a source within the Russian government’s Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation revealed on December 22.

China signed a $2 billion contract for 24 Su-35 fighter aircraft in November 2015. As I reported in December 2016 (See: “Christmas Day Gift: China Received 4 Su-35 Fighter Jets From Russia”), the first four Su-35 fighters arrived on December 25 at a flight training center of the PLAAF in Cangzhou City in Hebei province in northern China.

The per-unit cost of the Su-35 is estimated at $83 to $85 million. The contract includes training, ground, and logistical support. China first expressed interest in the Su-35 in 2008; official negotiations began in 2011. A preliminary agreement was reached in 2012.

The Su-35S (NATO reporting name: Flanker-E) is an improved fourth generation, twin-engine, multirole fighter aircraft powered by two AL-117S turbofan engines. The Su-35S is the latest variant of Russia’s Flanker-series.

The aircraft features an export-standard radar system — the Irbis-E passive-electronically scanned-array radar, capable of tracking up to 30 targets simultaneously and purportedly able to engage up to eight — an electronic warfare and communications suite, as well as a newly integrated receiver for the domestically-built BeiDou satellite navigation system.

One of the reasons for China’s interest in the Su-35 is its AL-117S turbofan engine. Russia has repeatedly refused to sell the engine as a stand-alone product, which left the PLAAF with little choice but to acquire the entire aircraft. The Chinese military aviation industry is still struggling with designing and building an engine for its new fifth-generation stealth fighter prototype, the Chengdu J-20.


China will likely try to reverse engineer parts of the AL117S turbofan engine. Chinese-made fighter jets continue to rely on Russian-made jet engines, as I explained elsewhere:


The J-20 reportedly is fitted with the Saturn AL-31, an older Russian-made jet engine. Another fifth generation fighter jet, the Shenyang J-31, is equipped with the Klimov RD-93. China is currently working on its own jet engine, the WS-13 Taishan turbofan, a derivative of the Russian Klimov RD-33 turbofan. Both the J-31 and J-20 are purportedly incapable of super cruising — sustained supersonic flight.



In August 2016, China announced that it set up a new state-owned aircraft engine maker to accelerate the development of new high-performance turbofan engines for the PLAAF. The remaining ten Su-35S aircraft are expected to be delivered by the end of 2018.

 
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Don't Worry too much aboat Tejas OR IAF numbers

The Indians STILL have

250 OF these babies ie

su-30mki_6.jpg



THATS 2 for every one of The Mighty Thunder

Not to Mention 50 of these
dassault-mirage-2000.jpg


When push comes TO SHOVE there is enough to take on both the PAF in particular

AND TEJAS is not on a TRAILER any more
05-Iron-Fist-2016.jpg
''Boards don't hit back''~ Bruce Lee.
''Pictures look impressive but they can't talk or fight''~ Windjammer.
And remember we already don't play cricket so you can't BS any one with the score either.
 
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HAL is not corrupt, but Lazy to core

Business Standard, 21st Aug 17

With only 35 Su-30MKI fighters left to deliver to the Indian Air Force (IAF) out of the 222 that HAL has been contracted to build, its Nashik production line, which builds 12 Su-30MKIs per year

HAL Nashik would overhaul 20 fighters per year, while the IAF’s 11 Base Repair Depot, also located at Nashik, would overhaul the other ten.

Over each fighter’s total service life of 6,000 flying hours or 30-40 years, it would be overhauled thrice – adding up to 816 overhauls for the 272-strong Su-30MKI fleet.

“Now we are thinking differently. Rather than have HAL Nashik lying idle – with its 7,000 employees and 4,000 acres of real estate -- we should enhance our capacity and overhaul all 30 Sukhois ourselves”, says Raju.

HAL’s 20 manufacturing divisions built on 12,000 acres of land, and 30,000 skilled employees.

Once the last of the 222 Su-30MKIs to be built in Nashik roll off the lines, this facility will build the Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA), which HAL and Sukhoi will jointly develop. An estimated 214 FGFAs are planned to be built here.


Yes India is in a desperate situation but here are some facts

Rafales are too expensive
F-35 is not on offer
IAF does not like MIG-29/35 and SU-30
Modi withdrew from SU-57
There would be any ToT for F-16 or F-18

This leaves only Gripen in the field.


“Now we are thinking differently. Rather than have HAL Nashik lying idle – with its 7,000 employees and 4,000 acres of real estate -- we should enhance our capacity and overhaul all 30 Sukhois ourselves”, says Raju.

HAL’s 20 manufacturing divisions built on 12,000 acres of land, and 30,000 skilled employees.

Once the last of the 222 Su-30MKIs to be built in Nashik roll off the lines, this facility will build the Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA), which HAL will develop. An estimated 214 FGFAs are planned to be built here.

So?
IAF dont like tejas either but they are still getting it. If you want f16 f 18 or f 35 su 57 with tot than your pushing your luck. Either think about tot or think about filling the numbers of aircraft.

Tejas can operate in too cold temperatures of Arctic and Antartica. Test trials have been successful.

India really should have bought the Mirage 2000 assembly line. But since so much time and money wasted should support local industry and spend on increased production facilities for Tejas, in hopes to lay down the foundations for a better project next time.

Indian Air Force currently have 50 Dassault Mirage 2000 in service with three different versions ;39 Dassault M2000H ,9 Dassault M2000TH and 2 aircrafts of Dassault Mirage 2000I/TI version.They all are upgraded to remain operational

The Indian Air Force (IAF) purchased 49 Mirage 2000s, comprising 42 single-seaters and 7 two-seaters, in the 1980s. In 2004, the Indian government approved purchase of ten Mirage 2000Hs more.

In 2006 the IAF came up with an proposal to upgrade the entire Mirage 2000 fleet to the latest Mirage 2000-5 MK II. The deal ran into turbulent waters and by 2011 to a formal contract was signed which mandated that the entire Mirage fleet would be upgraded.

A final contract valued over $3 billion was signed for the up gradation process.

Mirage 2000 can also carry up to 6.3 tonnes of payload .The aircraft is equipped with twin DEFA 554 30mm revolver-type cannons with 125 rounds each.The cannons fires at the rate of 1200 or 1800 rounds per minute.The aircraft has a 9 total hardpoints 4 under wing and 5 under fuselage with the capacity of 6300kg all.

The Aircraft integrated with Matra 68 mm unguided rocket pods (18 rockets per pod).

Air-to-Air Missiles include 6x MBDA MICA IR/RF,2x Matra R550 Magic-II and 2x Matra Super 530D.

Air-to-Surface missiles include 2x AM.39 Exocet,2x AS-30L laser-guided missile and 1x ASMP tactical nuclear cruise missile.Bombs include 9x Mk.82 unguided bombs and PGM 500 and PGM 2000 modular guided bombs.

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Three Agosta 90Bs were ordered by the Pakistan Navy in September 1994. The first, Khalid (S137), was built at DCN’s Cherbourg yard and was commissioned in 1999. The second, Saad, assembled at Karachi Naval Dockyard, was launched in August 2002 and was commissioned in December 2003. The third, Hamza, was constructed and assembled in Karachi, launched in August 2006 and commissioned in September 2008.

Pakistan is also looking for atleast three additional modern submarines with option of atleast another four.

France has already tried to push through its most modern submarine design called Marlin SSK. Marlin submarines


Pakistan Navy is looking to purchase atleast 7 New Submarines out of which three will be Type 214 submarine and four 039A (Yuan Class) submarines. In November 2008, Pakistan agreed to purchase three Type 214 submarines and the commercial contract was finalized up to 95 per cent.

Pakistan has signed contracts with DCNS to retrofit the first two submarines for AIP systems as well, the first of which was delivered in 2011.the French company was able to sell a new submarine design
 
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The Iaf should double the rafale fleet to 72 Planes.

They should ramp up production of Lca mark one.plus IE Israeli aesa radars and extended derby bvr . Add the next generation Brahmos missle
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E 120 planes.

The huge su30mki will remain the back bone of Indian air power and the super mki programme should be started asap.for 200 planes . This alone will take a decade.

120.French supplied rafale /mirage2000
120.Lca markone/a
250.plus mki super upgraded

And finally one new fifth generation induction of 60.fighters by 2025/2030.

Either f35 listening or amca is the way the Indians will.go I am certain

All the Russian migs are being scrapped.

All.this talk of mmrca f18 super hornets or Viper block 70.will go no where .just a circus
 
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The Iaf should double the rafale fleet to 72 Planes.

They should ramp up production of Lca mark one.plus IE Israeli aesa radars and extended derby bvr . Add the next generation Brahmos missle
I
E 120 planes.

The huge su30mki will remain the back bone of Indian air power and the super mki programme should be started asap.for 200 planes . This alone will take a decade.

120.French supplied rafale /mirage2000
120.Lca markone/a
250.plus mki super upgraded

And finally one new fifth generation induction of 60.fighters by 2025/2030.

Either f35 listening or amca is the way the Indians will.go I am certain

All the Russian migs are being scrapped.

All.this talk of mmrca f18 super hornets or Viper block 70.will go no where .just a circus

While in other threads, IAF requirement changes on LCA Mk1a will cause an additional delay of four years. Good luck with increasing production, before it can be delivered.
Another thread mentions that IAF is told by the Indian government that it needs to scale down its ambitions, since there is no money to fund their dreams.

With some luck, there is money for circus tickets.
 
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While in other threads, IAF requirement changes on LCA Mk1a will cause an additional delay of four years. Good luck with increasing production, before it can be delivered.
Another thread mentions that IAF is told by the Indian government that it needs to scale down its ambitions, since there is no money to fund their dreams.

With some luck, there is money for circus tickets.
i agree, as india alrewdy destroyed the rafale deal by just buying off thw shelf , the only way forward is getting production rights for gripen/f16(200+), increasing su 30 and if it has money(doubt it has after the above) buy some additional rafale

LCA should be scrapped as the production is no where in site..! or simply get the current version ..
 
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Yes India is in a desperate situation but here are some facts

Rafales are too expensive
F-35 is not on offer.
IAF does not like MIG-29/35 and SU-30
Modi withdrew from SU-57
There would be any ToT for F-16 or F-18

This leaves only Gripen in the field.
Gripen is the worst choice. It will bring more logistical problem and kill LCA totally
 
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Gripen is the worst choice. It will bring more logistical problem and kill LCA totally

There is no money to be made in LCA as it is a government project. IAF just added another half a dozen requirements to LCA. LCA would always be a tech demonstrator.

On the other hand people can make money in foreign deals like Rafales and Gripens.
 
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i agree, as india alrewdy destroyed the rafale deal by just buying off thw shelf , the only way forward is getting production rights for gripen/f16(200+), increasing su 30 and if it has money(doubt it has after the above) buy some additional rafale

LCA should be scrapped as the production is no where in site..! or simply get the current version ..
That is because You do not look long term.
India as a developing nation should invest in R&D.
You learn by doing things, and mistakes will happen, but that is life.
I do agree that meanwhile they should get Gripen E

Gripen is the worst choice. It will bring more logistical problem and kill LCA totally
Gripen is known to reduce logistical problems, but thats beyond a Chinese Keyboard Warrior.

The Chinese J-11 ran into real logistical problems during an exercise with the Thai Air Force.
Logistical problems as in:
  • ”could not be serviced at all, due to being a pile of metal on the ground”
Or at least would have, if the exercise was real combat.
 
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There is no money to be made in LCA as it is a government project. IAF just added another half a dozen requirements to LCA. LCA would always be a tech demonstrator.

On the other hand people can make money in foreign deals like Rafales and Gripens.
you mean corruption? It is government‘s duty to get IAF under control.
Even USA air force can not alway get what they want.

That is because You do not look long term.
India as a developing nation should invest in R&D.
You learn by doing things, and mistakes will happen, but that is life.
I do agree that meanwhile they should get Gripen E


Gripen is known to reduce logistical problems, but thats beyond a Chinese Keyboard Warrior.

The Chinese J-11 ran into real logistical problems during an exercise with the Thai Air Force.
Logistical problems as in:
  • ”could not be serviced at all, due to being a pile of metal on the ground”
Or at least would have, if the exercise was real combat.
Of course Gripen will bring more logistical problem, Why? because It is a new plane for IAF.
 
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you mean corruption? It is government‘s duty to get IAF under control.
Even USA air force can not alway get what they want.

You are assuming only IAF is corrupt. The politicians are much worse than IAF.
 
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