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India's Cold Start Is Too Hot

cmon guys the cold start plan majority goes on one line with huge army there huge army here the fact is pakistan and india cant fight each other anymore on a full scale war it will be disaster and on top it all can india afford to fight a war to punish as the plan says for a few hundred people and risk losing thousands of soldiers and possible hundreds of thousands if a nuclear war is hit.... mostly speculation large army invades and breaks through the line so what will happen if you dont what happens if the large army is stopped... it has happened before in pak india wars it can happen again then what wont india turn out as an aggressor with limited gains and deaths on both sides
 
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after 26-11 not a bullet was fired but more damage was done to pakistan ''diplomatically'', if you understand what i mean.
 
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Cold start nothing to do WITH HUGE ARMY advancing towards LOC.

You people have obviously not read the CONCEPT.

Cold start means NO WARNING, immediate small scale incursions accross KEY strategic points BUT not more than 50km.

Most important CSD means cross border air raids by IAF MMRCA su30mki & mirage2000 using stand off weapons like brahmos and in future nirbhay & scalp or storm shadow.

NO MASS BUILD UP NO MASS INVASION.

Hence no nuclear war because INDIA does not want any land JUST DAMAGE PAK infrastucture

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PS yes i know the Pakistanis will retaliate in kind

BUT they are not strking back with a NUKE despite all their no non first use policy...

in which case it come to boxers sparring BUT no knock out punch
 
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Cold start nothing to do WITH HUGE ARMY advancing towards LOC.

You people have obviously not read the CONCEPT.

Cold start means NO WARNING, immediate small scale incursions accross KEY strategic points BUT not more than 50km.

Most important CSD means cross border air raids by IAF MMRCA su30mki & mirage2000 using stand off weapons like brahmos and in future nirbhay & scalp or storm shadow.

NO MASS BUILD UP NO MASS INVASION.

Hence no nuclear war because INDIA does not want any land JUST DAMAGE PAK infrastucture

---------- Post added at 11:48 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:46 PM ----------

PS yes i know the Pakistanis will retaliate in kind

BUT they are not strking back with a NUKE despite all their no non first use policy...

in which case it come to boxers sparring BUT no knock out punch


How do we know for sure....
Now with Nasr tested and very soon fielded your army will have to face the possibility of a low yield nuke... if they ever comes close to do such stupidity...

Now we all know that even a remote possibility of something that can potentially cause a huge damage is thought over a zillion times and im sure that a country that backed down after a little series of tests of ballistic missiles after a standoff...or the airforce that backed down against a non BVR force after 26/11 after threatning surgical strikes will have a nuke strike possibility in the back of their mind and it will affect their strategies ...
and there is just no denying that...
 
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Cold start means NO WARNING, immediate small scale incursions accross KEY strategic points BUT not more than 50km.

IBG's will not make small scale incursions. their aim will be to 'cut-off' PK lines of comm at multiple points.
 
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Cold start means NO WARNING, immediate small scale incursions accross KEY strategic points BUT not more than 50km.

IBG's will not make small scale incursions. their aim will be to 'cut-off' PK lines of comm at multiple points.

In this day and age and with PA's impressive surveillance assets, an attack of this magnitude is next to impossible without warning. Activity of this magnitude is impossible to hide against a foe like PA, expect the PA to start mobilizing as soon as activity is detected in Indian cantonments. Besides, PA's mechanized assets will reach the border much more faster to halt the attack than IA's armoured assets can. Thus, the whole premise behind 'Cold Start' which consists the notion of surprise fails because India cannot surprise Pakistan with an attack of this magnitude. India is still a 3rd world army which lacks the calibre in its officer and lower level core to launch an audacious attack like this.
 
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In this day and age and with PA's impressive surveillance assets, an attack of this magnitude is next to impossible without warning. Activity of this magnitude is impossible to hide against a foe like PA, expect the PA to start mobilizing as soon as activity is detected in Indian cantonments. Besides, PA's mechanized assets will reach the border much more faster to halt the attack than IA's armoured assets can. Thus, the whole premise behind 'Cold Start' which consists the notion of surprise fails because India cannot surprise Pakistan with an attack of this magnitude. India is still a 3rd world army which lacks the calibre in its officer and lower level core to launch an audacious attack like this.

I think that would be a little presumptuous of us.
After all, it was the same idea that the "Hindu" cannot fight that led to disasters like 65 and 71.
We do have the advantage of having assets closer to the border, but that is because we have little to fall back on.
Our lines of communication are across a few lines of longitude... while India can be pushed back and still not be pushed back.
The idea of cold start seems to be fear and deception along with some improvement to the already existing "brasstacks" concept ironed back in the 80's.
Small incursions will do us not much harm but will serve for useful distraction till a much larger force(s) are brought in to break through our lines and cut Pakistan into pieces at different sectors.
Our surveillance is exceptionally good when it comes to looking east.. on the ground. But the air is where the Indians want to blow us out of the sky. They will use the range of their new fighters to bypass existing defenses and open up new routes of attack on the PAF. The whole idea of the massive upgrade is to keep the PAF locked in battle for its own survival so that it cannot provide adequate support to the Pakistan army which will then be pounded down from both ground and air.

Our navy is non-existent as it is compared to the Indians so blockade's are expected.

Our deterrent is our nuclear capability.. and even with all the ballistic interceptors Dehli can afford the chance of them missing is what keeps those proponents of war in India at bay.
However.. as a hyperbole canard..it seems the Americans have now decided to instigate events that will lead to the removal/disabling of our nuclear arsenal so that the only threat the keeps India from moving in gets taken out... and they also seem keen ot make sure that Balochistan is ready to become a hostile land for us when such happens.
But then again, these are hyperbolic thoughts based on how the trojan of cold start could go bad for us.
 
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In this day and age and with PA's impressive surveillance assets, an attack of this magnitude is next to impossible without warning. Activity of this magnitude is impossible to hide against a foe like PA, expect the PA to start mobilizing as soon as activity is detected in Indian cantonments. Besides, PA's mechanized assets will reach the border much more faster to halt the attack than IA's armoured assets can. Thus, the whole premise behind 'Cold Start' which consists the notion of surprise fails because India cannot surprise Pakistan with an attack of this magnitude. India is still a 3rd world army which lacks the calibre in its officer and lower level core to launch an audacious attack like this.

First Rule of War:-
Never underEstimate your Enemy
 
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^^^^^ @ N Eagal : jl you may have survelliance on all border but we can find some places whepre your defences are weak. that will be dat placeps which will face IBG thrust. ddgg dplbe mo
 
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^^^^^ @ N Eagal : jl you may have survelliance on all border but we can find some places whepre your defences are weak. that will be dat placeps which will face IBG thrust. ddgg dplbe mo

First.. what the hell was that post or where was it from?

Second: there are weak sectors on both sides which is analyzed by them from time to time.
India has the advantage of having an economy to reinforce the weak without compromising the strong.
Pakistan cannot match that.. to strengthen a weak sector, some resources from the strong have to be reassigned.
 
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In this day and age and with PA's impressive surveillance assets, an attack of this magnitude is next to impossible without warning. Activity of this magnitude is impossible to hide against a foe like PA, expect the PA to start mobilizing as soon as activity is detected in Indian cantonments. Besides, PA's mechanized assets will reach the border much more faster to halt the attack than IA's armoured assets can. Thus, the whole premise behind 'Cold Start' which consists the notion of surprise fails because India cannot surprise Pakistan with an attack of this magnitude. India is still a 3rd world army which lacks the calibre in its officer and lower level core to launch an audacious attack like this.

Such thinking, in fact, a real advantage for us provided it is coming from the same source who fought with IA/IAF/IN number of times.
 
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NOTORIUS

That 3rd world Army Took EAST PAKISTAN in 12 days back in 1971.

Today that 3rd World Army is backed by a $1.8 trillion GDP and defense budget of $36 billion. per year.

Pakistan has a first nuke policy because deep down they are preparing for a WORST CASE SECNARIO. ie full indian onslaught which they cant STOP.

VIS vis Pakistan india has no preparation of first nuke use ASK ME WHY ???

bECAUSE THEY KNOW india will never be in danger of DEFEAT or being overwhelmed by a nation with a fraction of its resource.

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India COLD START FACT OR FICTION causes a real stir in PAK HQ
 
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NOTORIUS

That 3rd world Army Took EAST PAKISTAN in 12 days back in 1971.

Today that 3rd World Army is backed by a $1.8 trillion GDP and defense budget of $36 billion. per year.

Pakistan has a first nuke policy because deep down they are preparing for a WORST CASE SECNARIO. ie full indian onslaught which they cant STOP.

VIS vis Pakistan india has no preparation of first nuke use ASK ME WHY ???

bECAUSE THEY KNOW india will never be in danger of DEFEAT or being overwhelmed by a nation with a fraction of its resource.

---------- Post added at 06:39 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:37 PM ----------

India COLD START FACT OR FICTION causes a real stir in PAK HQ

We cannot compare 1971 with the current war game . In 1971 the Pakistan army were isolated from rest of Pakistan and its close allies like china or Saudi Arabia and were operating in a hostile environment.most of its war asset were in west Pakistan, so India succeeded in a quick victory .
But In current situation Pakistan have the chance to utilize all of its military strength for only its core objective thwart any aggregation from Indian side. so i don't think cold star will be any picnic tour for Indian army . but of course it will not be easy job for Pakistan either.
 
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We cannot compare 1971 with the current war game . In 1971 the Pakistan army were isolated from rest of Pakistan and its close allies like china or Saudi Arabia and were operating in a hostile environment.most of its war asset were in west Pakistan, so India succeeded in a quick victory .
But In current situation Pakistan have the chance to utilize all of its military strength for only its core objective thwart any aggregation from Indian side. so i don't think cold star will be any picnic tour for Indian army . but of course it will not be easy job for Pakistan either.

India never attack any country... Now Pakistan is no longer thread to India, all our current upgradation to counter Chinese aggression
 
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We cannot compare 1971 with the current war game . In 1971 the Pakistan army were isolated from rest of Pakistan and its close allies like china or Saudi Arabia and were operating in a hostile environment.most of its war asset were in west Pakistan, so India succeeded in a quick victory .
But In current situation Pakistan have the chance to utilize all of its military strength for only its core objective thwart any aggregation from Indian side. so i don't think cold star will be any picnic tour for Indian army . but of course it will not be easy job for Pakistan either.

It is stupid to believe that SA or China will come to the aid of Pakistan against Nuclear armed India.... At the most they will send some weapons and oil for free.... At the end of the day you have to fight your war!
 
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