India's China Syndrome

[Pakistanisage]

Indian history did not begin with mughals. Guptas and mauryas created (or rather, ruled over) most of the subcontinent. The name (and idea of ) bharatavarsha for the subcontinent was not formed during mughal years, but millenia before. I'm no proponent of any akhand bharat, let me make that clear before people jump on me for that. Anyway, the idea of India as an entity (though not a nation state) existed long before the mughals. And as a nation state, it did not exist until 1947.



Well, is that how it is taught in pakistan? In India the popular conception is that it was Jinnah's egoistic ambitions that split the country. I won't take sides, but I must point out that the two nation theory was not propounded by Nehru.

Anyway, both those are simplistic views, nations do not form or split because of one or two persons, there are usually very complex and momentous social events that shape the course and destinies of large nations. And in the case of India and pak, that is definitely true. With or without Nehru, there would have been partition. Movements for the same were shaping up long before the event, despite the picturization in the film 'Gandhi'.

I agree with you that it was Jinnah who asked for Partition, after 1940.

In this equation Nehru was the one with real Power.

Jinnah did not want Partition and he asked for constitutional guarantees for Muslims.

Nehru did not want an India where Muslims had a 35% voting block. Both, Sardar Patel and Nehru felt that this large a constituency of Muslims would be problematic for Congress Party because it made them too dependent on their vote. Breaking up India into three parts with Muslim majority areas out of India suited Nehru and not Jinnah.

Anyway, that is sad history which has spawned three wars and a constant battle that will keep Subcontinent in this tussle for a very long time to come.

My Parents remembered the time when Hindus, Muslims and Sikhs use to live next door in peace and harmony so who sowed these seeds of enmity and disharmony. Did the Partition really solved the problem of South Asia or Multiplied it.

And no , Pakistani textbooks don't teach this. In fact this is the opposite of what they teach which is "Two Nation Theory".

 

[faithfulguy]

Do you know when the idea of nation state itself formed? In the 19th century. Britain, France etc were not nation states before that. But britain, france etc existed long before that. Do you understand the difference? BTW would you apply that logic to china as well, since nation states are a european idea that took shape in the 19th century, that china was created by europe in the 19th century? Or would you say China has had five millenia of history?



The topic here is India, not your mother. So take your 50 cents and shove it where you came out of.

(It is my last post, so I don't care about infractions. If trolls like you prevent a meaningful discussion from happening anyway, then I might as well reply in kind.)

@Ravi Nair : Thanks for the support, but it is pointless to explain that to him - bots like him get paid to insult and spew venom according to the script their govt gives them. As long as the forum lets them run riot, there is no point in being here, so I'm out.

India was not a unified kingdom through most of its history. Its more of civilization than a country. China have been one empire for most of its history since 221bc. But it was a civilization way before that, just like India. But India never become a unified empire for any long duration of time and it never have a conscious that itself was divided until british arrived

 

[Nan Yang]

No wonder after 53 years the Henderson book is still classified, if it is open the embarrassment would be on an epic level.

It is still classified because it may even reveal the extend of India's involvement in supporting Dalai Lama's military action against China.

 

[cirr]

The report，if it gets published，will show that India was the aggressor。

Many a brainwashed Indians will then learn that India got what it asked for and deserved。

 

[CorporateAffairs]

Earlier with a congress maggot called Nehru, we got kicked in the arse...

just that we dont want that to be repeated