India's Ayni Military base in Tajikistan is Russia-Locked

[somebozo]

Nowhere it says about delivery date of 2014/15.

English boy.. you need that.

I don't think I have to quote this again... unless and until you are a perfect moron or exceed the description.

Meanwhile the Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin spitting on their respective faces.



Russia won't arm India's enemies: Dy PM Rogozin

Uneducated folks can use this to wipe the spit out of their faces...

Its not your fault.... However sooner your submit yourself to the true light and truth... the better is for you.

The fact that he is using undiplomatic language unsuitable for his caliber raises some brows. It takes some time to wear off years of influence regardless of strategic priorities but by no means it is a factor that alliances cant be shifted in geopolitics. Pakistan Army does use a plethora of defense goods made by Russia and former soviet union and the sale has been going through every-time. The day Russia decides to shift alliances, Indians will only have hot words to bark in the media.

Also does it mean inferior Russia equipment failing to meet Indian needs are a spit in Russian face?

http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20110315/163016351.html

How about Russia delaying INS Gorshkov and refusing to pay penalties...classic case of Russian spit on Indian face?

 

[Abingdonboy]

The fact that he is using undiplomatic language unsuitable for his caliber raises some brows. It takes some time to wear off years of influence regardless of strategic priorities but by no means it is a factor that alliances cant be shifted in geopolitics. Pakistan Army does use a plethora of defense goods made by Russia and former soviet union and the sale has been going through every-time. The day Russia decides to shift alliances, Indians will only have hot words to bark in the media.

Also does it mean inferior Russia equipment failing to meet Indian needs are a spit in Russian face?

New Russian Army weaponry 'inferior' to NATO's, overpriced | Defense | RIA Novosti

How about Russia delaying INS Gorshkov and refusing to pay penalties...classic case of Russian spit on Indian face?

Paksitan doesn't use a SINGLE Russian-made weapon but India is spending BILLIONS on such and you are trying to make out Russia will shift to Pakistan soon? You guys are beyond crazy/stupid.

 

[somebozo]

Paksitan doesn't use a SINGLE Russian-made weapon but India is spending BILLIONS on such and you are trying to make out Russia will shift to Pakistan soon? You guys are beyond crazy/stupid.

Ignorance is a bliss until reality strikes

JF17 Engines
Ilyushin Il-78
Antonov An-26
Mil Mi-17

Just wait until Russia is fully cornered in Syria and loses the remaining friends in Middle East, they will then be on the negotiating end with Pakistan.


The Hindu : News / National : Growing Russia-Pakistan ties a reality that India will have to live with

Published: October 8, 2012 03:28 IST | Updated: October 8, 2012 03:30 IST
Growing Russia-Pakistan ties a reality that India will have to live with

Sandeep Dikshit
Russia is clearly interested in resetting ties with Pakistan

When Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin came here in July, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, had a request to make: Could Russian President Vladimir Putin put off his visit to Pakistan in October so that the optics of the India-Russia summit meeting scheduled in November could remain unimpaired?

Mr. Rogozin demurred. Privately his diplomats explained how that would be difficult. Russia was as concerned as India about terrorist activity with bases in Pakistan but Moscow could not be more antagonistic than New Delhi which too is trying to build bridges with Islamabad through a dialogue process.

“We should not dramatise an outdated situation. Even in India, which Indian leaders can say Pakistan is an enemy?’’ stated a Russian diplomat. Even otherwise, the Russian side communicated to New Delhi, Mr. Putin’s proposed first-ever visit to Pakistan was more to do with Afghanistan where any future settlement of the problem will depend on how its neighbours will act, they said.

To South Block’s relief, Mr. Putin did put off his visit to Pakistan. But in an indication that Russia is clearly interested in resetting ties with Pakistan, that was not the end of the Russia story involving India and Pakistan. Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, who was to visit India on October 4, landed instead in Pakistan. His Cabinet colleague, Defence Minister Anatoly Serdyukov postponed his scheduled visit to India as Pakistan Army Chief Asfaq Parvez Kayani flew to Moscow.

After Mr. Putin cancelled his trip, Moscow offered to send Mr. Lavrov in his stead. Islamabad was initially reluctant. Like India which did not like the idea of Mr. Putin first going to Pakistan, Islamabad did not want to be offered a Foreign Minister instead of a Head of Government. But Islamabad relented two days before Mr. Lavrov landed.

Officials in South Block maintain Mr. Lavrov had offered to come here from Pakistan but External Affairs Minister S.M. Krishna was unavailable. They also dismissed the suggestion that Mr. Serdyukov had put off his India visit to meet Gen. Kayani in Moscow. “If Mr. Serdyukov had come to India as planned earlier, he would have reached Moscow in time to meet the Pakistan army chief,’’ said one official.

But New Delhi knows only too well it no longer has exclusive rights over Moscow. Russia has sold helicopters for civilian purposes to Pakistan which can be converted to military use with minimal fuss. This trend was only to be expected after India shifted from direct purchases of defence equipment from Moscow to competitive bids in which Russian companies lost a number of orders to the U.S. and other western companies.

India diplomats concur with their Russian counterparts over the main reason for closer Russia-Pakistan engagement — economics and securing the Russian underbelly from religious extremism. “We are not sleeping over the developments. It is entirely in the context of Afghanistan,” the official said.

Growing Russia-Pakistan ties are a reality that India will have to live with as part of Moscow’s growing engagement with other countries in the region such as Bangladesh and Sri Lanka.

“India could have been more loyal to Russia in the field of military and technical cooperation and saved it from the disagreeable situation in which Moscow on its own has to search for markets to sell military equipment meant for Delhi,” said another Russian diplomat. The consolation: even in the most optimistic scenario, the diplomat asserted, military cooperation between Russia and Pakistan would remain insignificant and would not alter the balance of power in the region.

Keywords: Russia-Pakistan ties, India-Russia summit meeting

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[帅的一匹]

Paksitan doesn't use a SINGLE Russian-made weapon but India is spending BILLIONS on such and you are trying to make out Russia will shift to Pakistan soon? You guys are beyond crazy/stupid.

At the end, you have to choose between USA and Russia, play double side wont be feasible at all.

 

[sexy gun]

At the end, you have to choose between USA and Russia, play double side wont be feasible at all.

We don't buy BS euphemisms like "You are either with us or against us" from any other country. Aftermath of 2001 attacks is an example of that !!!

 

[jackyy]

At the end, you have to choose between USA and Russia, play double side wont be feasible at all.

WE never chose U.S.Purchasing few military hardware dont make us their ally.if this is the case then american GE is helping you to make jet engine and 80% of your military hardware is of russian origin or copied.
it means you are russian pet ?

 

[somebozo]

Also we should all spit on the face of Russian president because while he braggs about not selling weapons to Pakistan as India enemy, Russia is the largest weapon supplier to China which is India's largest adversary and threat - even bigger than Pakistan. And Russian made weapons has been used to defeat India.


Money talks with ruskies!

The primacy given by the Russian Government under President Boris Yeltsin to its strategic partnership and military supply relationship with India. The invoking of the Pressler Amendment by the US Bush Administration in 1990 led to a ban not only on the supply of new military equipment to Pakistan, but also spare parts and maintenance, repair and upgradation facilities for the US equipment sold or supplied to Pakistan before 1990. Apart from the purchase of the Agosta class submarines and re-conditioned old Mirage 5 fighters from France, Pakistan could not succeed in finding alternate sources of supply in the West partly due to the cash crunch and partly due to the fact that even equipment, particularly for the Air Force, manufactured by other Western countries such as Sweden had components such as the engines etc sourced from the US and their sale to Pakistan by those countries also attracted the ban under the Pressler Amendment. In its anxiety not to dilute the primacy of its relationship with India, Russia not only spurned Pakistani approaches for the the purchase of Russian equipment, but also tried to create difficulties in theway of other former components of the USSR like Ukraine selling items such as 300 tanks to Pakistan.
While the primacy given by Moscow to its relationship with India was an important factor in its rejection of Pakistani indications of interest in the purchase of Russian equipment, there were other factors too such as Pakistan's payment difficulties and serious doubts in the Russian mind about the sincerity of Pakistan's interest. Russian officials suspected that the Pakistani military, particularly the Air Force, continued to covet US equipment and that Pakistan's repeated expressions of interest in Russian equipment were really meant to cause concern in the US that if it did not dilute, if not remove the Pressler Amendment, it might drive Pakistan into the hands of the Russian military industry and lose whatever influence it still had in the Pakistani armed forces.
The role of the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) of Pakistan in the creation of the Taliban and in assisting it in capturing power in Kabul and in subsequently extending its control to over 90 per cent of the Afghan territory and the equally active role of ISI-supported religious extremist organisations such as the Markaz Dawa Al Irshad and the Lashkar-e-Toiba, its militant wing, the Harkat- Ul-Mujahideen (HUM) and the Tablighi Jamaat in assisting anti-establishment and Anti-Moscow religious extremist elements in their violent activities in Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and Chechnya. Moscow has repeatedly expressed strongly its concerns over the lionisation of extremist leaders from Chechnya in Pakistan and over their training in camps in Pakistani and Taliban-controlled Afghan territories. In the early 1990s, during the second tenure of Benazir Bhutto as the Prime Minister, the ISI and these religious extremist organisations had clandestinely trained Bosnian Muslim groups, with the knowledge of the US, for fighting against the Serbs. The present Nawaz Sharif Government has extended similar clandestine assistance to the Muslims of the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) in their fight against Belgrade. Russian officials suspect that despite Pakistan's unhappiness at Washington over the invoking of the Pressler Amendment, it is letting itself be used by the US as its cat's paw to bring about the disintegration of Yugoslavia and fear that the US is similarly using Pakistan to create disaffection against Moscow in the Muslim population of Chechnya and other places in Russia. The alarm created in the Central Asian Republics over the future plans of the Taliban is also shared by Moscow.
Moscow's unhappiness over the ineffectiveness of Pakistan's narcotics control authorities in preventing the increasing smuggling of narcotics to Russia from Pakistan through the Central Asian Republics.

the bemoaning shows Russia is more than a loser by ignoring geographic importance of Pakistan.

 

[DARKY]

Ignorance is a bliss until reality strikes

JF17 Engines
Ilyushin Il-78
Antonov An-26
Mil Mi-17

Just wait until Russia is fully cornered in Syria and loses the remaining friends in Middle East, they will then be on the negotiating end with Pakistan.


The Hindu : News / National : Growing Russia-Pakistan ties a reality that India will have to live with

*FACEPLAM*

Jf-17 engine... exported to China( Not a weapon)
Il-78 of PAF are ex-Ukrainian Air force tankers repainted in PAF colors.
An-32 Ukrainian ? (A transport plane... still not a weaponry).
Mi-17 the transport version(Not a weaponry).. Armed version refused... by the Russians.

A weapon, arm, or armament is a tool or instrument used in order to inflict damage or harm to living beings—physical or mental—artificial structures, or systems.

Weapon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As for the inferior Russian weaponry against NATO... there a different levels for Different regions... already the Russian weaponry is an overkill on a state like Pakistan.

About INS Vikramadity... We are yet to Hear India imposing penalty on Russians for the delay.. how come the Russian reject the penalty before being asked for it...

Don't quote me Chinese blogs/sources on this... and their crappy English.

Repair work on the restoration of defective boilers aircraft carrier "Vikramaditya" will take no more than 2-3 months. Correspondent Central Navy Portal reported on October 2 a staff member of the United Shipbuilding Corporation. Commenting appeared on October 2 in media reports to postpone delivery of the aircraft carrier "Vikramaditya" in the autumn of next year, the source TSVMP noted that this information is not true. "The ship is ready and successfully tested at 90%, and then tests exist to detect possible defects. And almost entirely without comment conducted test aircraft system carrier - his main weapon. Indian Navy next year will actually complete an aircraft carrier..

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It is for Pakistan to worry more than India about its increasing dependence on Russian engines, transport planes and helos.... since its in India's hand to pressurize Russia and block the supplies in case of the conflict... It has already been done once and can be done again.. grounding most of your Air force and important logistics.... Ukraine might come for the aid but they too have limitations specially in the field of after-burning turbofan engine.

What must also be noted that.. inspite of repeated visits by the Head of State Pakistan Zardari and COAS Keyani and all that boot liking in Russia to go with tail wagging in Pakistani media and Pakistan.. and rest longer than **** and deeper than **** still gets them spit on the face.

You must be at a very High post in Pakistani Govt. to challenge the Authority of Russian spokes person and their Deputy PM... what are you ?... I don't think even your Head of State and COAS have such guts.

 

[SEAL]

This Indian strategy is old and failed, first Talibans are in power and Northern Alliance and other elements ars weak so investing in such proxies is waste of time and money, secondly Russia is not interested in Indian gameplay in A'stan thats why they are engaging Pakistan. Against Pakistan India best bet is TTP, Americans using them and later may cancel some leaders and give remaining assets to India.

 

[somebozo]

Jf-17 engine... exported to China( Not a weapon)

since its in India's hand to pressurize Russia and block the supplies in case of the conflict...

Only an idiot would be unaware that JF17 uses a specially modified engine and as well all millitary hardware end user certification is required. That means Russia decides if the end user is approved to have the engines or not regardless of where they are exported. You are arguing a notion that engine were exported to China and then re-exported to Pakistan which only exposes your frail understanding of military affairs. Putin himself signed the export declaration to permit export of engines to Pakistan knowing full well what the intended use was. Indians tried their best to wiggle the Putin wrist with no success

The most controversial element of closer Russo-Pakistani relations is military cooperation. General Kayani’s upcoming visit follows the first ever trip to Moscow by Pakistani Air Chief Marshal Tahir Rafiq. Apart from these symbolic visits there has also been a slow infiltration of Russia’s defence technology from third countries into Pakistan. Ukrainian T-80 main battle tanks, supplied to Pakistan in the 1990s, have Russian-built key systems and components. Even the JF-17 fighter planes supplied by China to Pakistan were powered by Russian RD-93 engines.

Interestingly, Russia’s support for Pakistan is not confined to bilateral issues, but has also been observed in multilateral forums. Putin’s public endorsement of Pakistan’s candidacy for the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO), along with his acknowledgment of the crucial role that Pakistan plays in South Asia and the larger Muslim world, is proof of this.

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It’s not clear whether the two sides have followed up on those decisions but the 50 JF-17 Thunder fghter planes that China is supplying to Pakistan use a Russian engine, and it’s likely that Russia gave the green signal for China to go ahead. New Delhi was probably not impressed, but it has kept its silence.

Indians have a habit of thinking that they are center of the world, it is a legacy from the caste system where as the truth is otherwise. India does not have the strategic outpost which Pakistan posses which means if Pakistan as a state is crippled, it will have dire consequences on the entire asia. While if India as a state is cripped either economically or militarily, it will have a jack sh_t impact on whole Asia other than a considerable hike in desperate Indians trying to work in gulf countries illegally. Therefore, no power can choose to ignore strategic importance of Pakistan and Russia doing so has already paid a heavy price. Luckily, Putin has more IQ than MMS when it comes to geo-political affairs. In an eventual fate, Indians cannot do anything to control Russia and they resort to making cheap attacks in the press to vent their frustations.

In the long run, Pakistan and Russia along with China are natural partners in the regional geography. While India will become a "Big Daddy" state under US patronage.

 

[SEAL]

*FACEPLAM*

Jf-17 engine... exported to China( Not a weapon)
Il-78 of PAF are ex-Ukrainian Air force tankers repainted in PAF colors.
An-32 Ukrainian ? (A transport plane... still not a weaponry).
Mi-17 the transport version(Not a weaponry).. Armed version refused... by the Russians.



Weapon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As for the inferior Russian weaponry against NATO... there a different levels for Different regions... already the Russian weaponry is an overkill on a state like Pakistan.

About INS Vikramadity... We are yet to Hear India imposing penalty on Russians for the delay.. how come the Russian reject the penalty before being asked for it...

Don't quote me Chinese blogs/sources on this... and their crappy English.



Ðåìîíò "Âèêðàìàäèòüè" çàéìåò íå áîëåå òðåõ ìåñÿöåâ - ÎÑÊ

It is for Pakistan to worry more than India about its increasing dependence on Russian engines, transport planes and helos.... since its in India's hand to pressurize Russia and block the supplies in case of the conflict... It has already been done once and can be done again.. grounding most of your Air force and important logistics.... Ukraine might come for the aid but they too have limitations specially in the field of after-burning turbofan engine.

What must also be noted that.. inspite of repeated visits by the Head of State Pakistan Zardari and COAS Keyani and all that boot liking in Russia to go with tail wagging in Pakistani media and Pakistan.. and rest longer than **** and deeper than **** still gets them spit on the face.

You must be at a very High post in Pakistani Govt. to challenge the Authority of Russian spokes person and their Deputy PM... what are you ?... I don't think even your Head of State and COAS have such guts.

Boot licking is No.1 rule of Indian leaders and diplomacy, Russia respect Pakistan because they know our potentional in cold war we pushed them to the limits. They also know India's potentional thats why they sell you faulty equipment at very high price, its Indian airforce who gave bad name to Russian Migs with world record of crashes. T-90 Tank destroyed itself due to faulty Indian ammo etc
Beside all that instead of India Russia is supportive of Pakistan role in A'stan thats what we have seen high level visits and mutual understanding on various issue.

 

[arcelite]

Boot licking is No.1 rule of Indian leaders and diplomacy, Russia respect Pakistan because they know our potentional in cold war we pushed them to the limits. They also know India's potentional thats why they sell you faulty equipment at very high price, its Indian airforce who gave bad name to Russian Migs with world record of crashes. T-90 Tank destroyed itself due to faulty Indian ammo etc
Beside all that instead of India Russia is supportive of Pakistan role in A'stan thats what we have seen high level visits and mutual understanding on various issue.

The same way when rabbani came to india and we were seeing her as a piece of a** and you guys even made a parody with an old hindi song

Regarding supportive they cancelled the summit!

 

[DARKY]

Only an idiot would be unaware that JF17 uses a specially modified engine and as well all millitary hardware end user certification is required. That means Russia decides if the end user is approved to have the engines or not regardless of where they are exported. You are arguing a notion that engine were exported to China and then re-exported to Pakistan which only exposes your frail understanding of military affairs. Putin himself signed the export declaration to permit export of engines to Pakistan knowing full well what the intended use was. Indians tried their best to wiggle the Putin wrist with no success

Russia has blocked the sale of 100 RD-93 engines to China for FC-1, the joint Sino-Pak fighter, which could emerge as a rival for its MiG-29 fighter in the global markets, according to a report on Monday. "The new contract with China for the sale of 100 RD-93 engines has not been signed," Kommersant reported quoting its sources in the military-industrial complex.

Russia blocks sale of engines for Sino-Pak jets - Rediff.com India News

People who live in the hole world can never see such things... come-- out and the light awaits you.

Is it me or general Pakistani are that bad..... ? .. no wonder...

The T-80UD supplied to Pakistan was from the Soviet Union... the part of which became Ukraine and got the share of Partition as did other countries who broke out... Those old T-80UDs were rotting for years in the open(with Ukraine having no industrial base to support them).. when Pakistan decided to buy it... and Ukraine got much wanted $$ for their new MBT projects.

There are still there as we speak and If Pakistan is so interested in having them they can go and pay a few millions more in $$ Ukraine would be more than Happy.

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Indians have a habit of thinking that they are center of the world, it is a legacy from the caste system where as the truth is otherwise. India does not have the strategic outpost which Pakistan posses which means if Pakistan as a state is crippled, it will have dire consequences on the entire asia. While if India as a state is cripped either economically or militarily, it will have a jack sh_t impact on whole Asia other than a considerable hike in desperate Indians trying to work in gulf countries illegally. Therefore, no power can choose to ignore strategic importance of Pakistan and Russia doing so has already paid a heavy price. Luckily, Putin has more IQ than MMS when it comes to geo-political affairs. In an eventual fate, Indians cannot do anything to control Russia and they resort to making cheap attacks in the press to vent their frustations.

In the long run, Pakistan and Russia along with China are natural partners in the regional geography. While India will become a "Big Daddy" state under US patronage.

Thats the Problem with Pakistani... you cannot think independently... you need some one.. like a helpless 32 year old woman needs a man to protect her... feed her and and support her through the life.

The mentality has been there through intense rape and submission the people have made through the years to different set of invaders.. you think your country as an asset for some other nation.. like a depraved woman who thinks her body as an asset for other men... you cry If any-thing happens to you and ask other to correct it in your country... you allow US drone strikes and blame the US drones for killing your people... The sooner you get out of this the better for you and rest of the world.

In the longer run.. India and Indians think of achieving self sufficiency and self reliance in most of the fields unlike you and your country who cannot not get out of the mindset of being controlled by others... today your country is crippled and your people are flooding Gulf for work... your state is breaking and yet you want a Master to control and Order you.... It was the US earlier and is still is... now you want Chinese to take the role and are appeasing Russian to do the same.

Think about this and conclude where you are heading towards... even an animal can learn if they are taught the proper way you are still humans.

 

[somebozo]

Russia blocks sale of engines for Sino-Pak jets - Rediff.com India News

People who live in the hole world can never see such things... come-- out and the light awaits you.
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Again a problem with Hindustani they think the world revolves around them. The objection to engine sales was made by chiefs of Sukhoi and Mikoyan on the basis of emerging as a competitor to Mig 29.

In a recent letter, Mikhail Pogosyan, the general director of Sukhoi Design Bureau and Russian Aircraft Corp. (RAC) MiG, asked Russia’s Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation (FSMTC) to block the Chernyshyov Machine-building Enterprise from delivering 100 RD-93 engines.

Russia Fears Competition From Chinese Fighter Jets – DefenseNews.com - Breaking Defense News

Again no involvement of Indian objections or even a remote possibility of it.

And then later on:

“We have a contract for the supply of 100 engines, we have signed an agreement for the eventual supply of 500 engines, and we believe that is still on course,” said the official from the China National Aero-Technology Import and Export agency (CATIC). “I have not seen any instruction to stop this. We have nothing through official channels, and believe the engine is still an option for exported aircraft.”

China: Russia’s Not Stopping the Flow of JF-17 Engines

3rd class indian toilet media websites always show up first on google search when querying for anti Pakistan news. Must be one hell of a work keeping their google ranking up all the time..

If Indian LCA's can fly with American engines then why not JF17 with Russian engines? After all Indians millitary buildup is going to affect Russia's largest millitary and trade partner - China!

 

[illusion8]

At the end, you have to choose between USA and Russia, play double side wont be feasible at all.

Some countries have their own side - India and some like minded countries do not need to side with anyone - they have their own independent policies, and routinely follow policies that they think is appropriate, these steps might look as if its favoring one or the other sides, but the steps are purely taken with regards to their own liking or their understanding.