Indian View about Wakhan Corridor and Border with Afghanistan - 2019

[hamilcar of carthage]

Still avoiding the question. Why is it bad for us KPians and will offend us if we Pakistanis invade wakhan ?

i replied to that in many replies.

Hahaha. Maidan Tang dy.

 

[TNT]

My problem here is pashtoon will be against pashtoon if we try to occupy wahkan

I somewhat agree too, though in past we could have taken it. Now it will create new issues and we already have alot. Better focus on Kashmir fully. Have good relations with Afghanistan under taliban and eliminate india.

 

[Mr Happy]

I somewhat agree too, though in past we could have taken it. Now it will create new issues and we already have alot. Better focus on Kashmir fully. Have good relations with Afghanistan under taliban and eliminate india.

I somewhat agree too, though in past we could have taken it. Now it will create new issues and we already have alot. Better focus on Kashmir fully. Have good relations with Afghanistan under taliban and eliminate india.

Anybody speak Wakhi on this platform?

 

[TNT]

Anybody speak Wakhi on this platform?

I dont know but i guess its similar to chitrali language. Wakhan actually used to be part of chitral. The british gave it to Afghanistan to avoid having a direct border with USSR.

 

[Mr Happy]

I dont know but i guess its similar to chitrali language. Wakhan actually used to be part of chitral. The british gave it to Afghanistan to avoid having a direct border with USSR.

Insha Allah, I will have a look. Thank you.

It's because we use "kure" besides other terms for "when" and that is used in the Khowar language. Also, "kure kure" meaning "sometimes".

Pashto "kalah kalah" or "charey charey" for "sometimes".

 

[Shapur]

Well founder of Afghan kingdom Ahmed shah Durrani aka Ahmed Khan Abdali born, raised and had family in Multan,Pakistan went down the hill captured Herat and adjacent areas.....If he was alive today he would rather prefer to live in gulgasht colony and see affairs of Afghanistan from home.. you want to live in the era of ranjit sngh you gotta be responded in teh same manner..

It's funny you say that about Ahmad Shah Abdali. One of his line from his poetey book says "Da Delhi takht ra na her shi, che ra yad shi de Pashtunkhwa de ghro sarona". It means I forget the throne of Delhi when I remember the mountain peaks of Pashtun lands. He was a spiritual and pious person and a true mujahid so I don't think he would have done what you are suggesting.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

It's funny you say that about Ahmad Shah Abdali. One of his line from his poetey book says "Da Delhi takht ra na her shi, che ra yad shi de Pashtunkhwa de ghro sarona". It means I forget the throne of Delhi when I remember the mountain peaks of Pashtun lands. He was a spiritual and pious person and a true mujahid so I don't think he would have done what you are suggesting.

It’s poetry - its supposed to be evocative.

What kind of poem would it be if it said, “meh, I like my throne in Delhi and the Mountain peaks of the Northwest equally”?

In general, Pakistan’s north brings about very strong emotions from everyone that has visited the region - we have some very spectacular scenery and I have always been drawn to the mountains even though I was born in Lahore.

 

[Shapur]

It’s poetry - its supposed to be evocative.

What kind of poem would it be if it said, “meh, I like my throne in Delhi and the Mountain peaks of the Northwest equally”?

In general, Pakistan’s north brings about very strong emotions from everyone that has visited the region - we have some very spectacular scenery and I have always been drawn to the mountains even though I was born in Lahore.

It's not just poetic. He meant what he said. He was a spiritual person and not interested in amassing wealth or power. The way he lived proved that.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

It's not just poetic. He meant what he said. He was a spiritual person and not interested in amassing wealth or power. The way he lived proved that.

He may very well have, but my point is that the mountains and spectacular scenery in Pakistan’s north draw a lot of people. Many people fall in love with it after visiting it. But Reminiscing about it doesn’t mean someone would leave their ancestral home and family behind or cut off those ties.

 

[bananarepublic]

I dont know but i guess its similar to chitrali language. Wakhan actually used to be part of chitral. The british gave it to Afghanistan to avoid having a direct border with USSR.

Me

 

[Shapur]

He may very well have, but my point is that the mountains and spectacular scenery in Pakistan’s north draw a lot of people. Many people fall in love with it after visiting it. But Reminiscing about it doesn’t mean someone would leave their ancestral home and family behind or cut off those ties.

Not sure what you mean. His ancestoral home was Pashtunkhwa. In regards to where he was born. That's disputed. Some say it was Herat and some say it was Multan. Either way, neither Herat nor Multan is Pakhtunkhwa.

I am liking the views of most Pakistani and Afghan members here. There seems to be consensus that we have to change our approach to get better results. Neither the Afghan policy nor Pakistani policy has worked. The political elite of both countries have betrayed us and our people have suffered as a result. The question is whether we can take advantage of the lessons learnt.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

I am liking the views of most Pakistani and Afghan members here. There seems to be consensus that we have to change our approach to get better results. Neither the Afghan policy nor Pakistani policy has worked. The political elite of both countries have betrayed us and our people have suffered as a result. The question is whether we can take advantage of the lessons learnt.

I think you’ll find that a simple step from the Afghan government on officially accepting the existing Afghan-Pakistan border will go a long way in restoring good will. Even an official repudiation of the PTM and assorted Pashtun separatists would go a long way.

Ordinary Afghans, both home and abroad, can help in this by being more vocal about such things.

Honestly, as I said in a previous post, Afghanistan and Pakistan are, or at least should be, natural allies. We have shared culture, history and faith. We are also similar in the sense that both countries are ethnically diverse nations that cannot go around sparking ethnicity based divisions in other countries because that has and will backfire.

Look at the EU - the political boundaries of nations within the EU haven’t changed, but their combined economies, open trade and travel and people to people engagement has brought several benefits. Of course Pakistan and Afghanistan are not in a position to have EU style open borders, but we need to work towards that, outside of SAARC, and the first step is to end claims on each other’s territory.

 

[Shapur]

I think you’ll find that a simple step from the Afghan government on officially accepting the existing Afghan-Pakistan border will go a long way in restoring good will. Even an official repudiation of the PTM and assorted Pashtun separatists would go a long way.

Ordinary Afghans, both home and abroad, can help in this by being more vocal about such things.

Honestly, as I said in a previous post, Afghanistan and Pakistan are, or at least should be, natural allies. We have shared culture, history and faith. We are also similar in the sense that both countries are ethnically diverse nations that cannot go around sparking ethnicity based divisions in other countries because that has and will backfire.

Look at the EU - the political boundaries of nations within the EU haven’t changed, but their combined economies, open trade and travel and people to people engagement has brought several benefits. Of course Pakistan and Afghanistan are not in a position to have EU style open borders, but we need to work towards that, outside of SAARC, and the first step is to end claims on each other’s territory.

Let's say Afghan government accepts Durand line. What would Afghanistan get in return? Can Pakistan gaurantee that it's soil won't be used as a base by invaders to attack Afghanistan? Pakistan provided full support to the 2001 invasion of Afghanistan, it gave it's air bases like Shamsi air base and provided the transit routes for the invading forces to make sure the occupation of Afghanistan goes smoothly. Without Pakistani support the occupation forces wouldn't have stayed as long as they have done. I don't think that's too much to ask is it?

The PTM is a grass roots Pakistani movement by disgruntled Pakistani citizens who were simply not happy with the way the state handled their demands for missing persons. The movement has nothing to do with NDS and RAW. NDS and RAW may have tried to hijack the movement and use it for their own advantage but it doesn't discredit the movement itself and it's original cause. Similar to the Taliban movement, it started due to power vaccum in Afghanistan and Pakistan simply supported it. Doesn't mean it's a Pakistani movement. Pashtuns on both sides will always stand up for each other and speak against injustice. It's only natural.

I agree that we should stop claims on each other's territory. The land belongs to the people who live there. It shouldn't be seen as Afghan or Pakistani land. The prosperity in all spheres of life should be the primary objective. It doesn't matter what state it falls under.

My ideal scenario for my Pashtun people would be that my language Pashto becomes the primary means of communication in all spheres of life. I want to see scientific books published in Pashto. I want Pashtun kids to get their education in their mother tongue. Scientific research shows that kids learn better in their mother tongue especially when starting out. In Afghanistan, that's already the case in Pashtun areas but still more needs to be done. In Farah province which is 80% Pashtun, the medium is still Farsi. In KPK the situation is really bad. The medium of education is in Urdu and English. Pashto has been relegated to a spoken language. A language can't thrive unless it is being actively usdd in all spheres of life. I am sure it's the same with other regional languages of Pakistan. It's a shame that speaking regional languages has become a sign of backwardness and lack of education.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Let's say Afghan government accepts Durand line. What would Afghanistan get in return? Can Pakistan gaurantee that it's soil won't be used as a base by invaders to attack Afghanistan? Pakistan provided full support to the 2001 invasion of Afghanistan, it gave it's air bases like Shamsi air base and provided the transit routes for the invading forces to make sure the occupation of Afghanistan goes smoothly. Without Pakistani support the occupation forces wouldn't have stayed as long as they have done. I don't think that's too much to ask is it?

I have no issue with a reciprocal commitment from Pakistan to not interfere in Afghanistan. Please remember that it was Afghanistan that started this business of supporting proxies decades ago, both with support for insurgents in the Tribal Areas and sheltering Baloch terrorists, long before the Soviets came.

Perhaps a joint Presidential and Parliamentary statement with commitments from both sides. My concern is that without regular Afghan's first strongly speaking out in favor of accepting the Afghan-Pakistan border as is, the Afghan government will not be able to make such a move, hence my suggestion that we need more and more Afghans speaking out on this issue to help the two countries move forward.

The PTM is a grass roots Pakistani movement by disgruntled Pakistani citizens who were simply not happy with the way the state handled their demands for missing persons. The movement has nothing to do with NDS and RAW. NDS and RAW may have tried to hijack the movement and use it for their own advantage but it doesn't discredit the movement itself and it's original cause. Similar to the Taliban movement, it started due to power vaccum in Afghanistan and Pakistan simply supported it. Doesn't mean it's a Pakistani movement. Pashtuns on both sides will always stand up for each other and speak against injustice. It's only natural.

I disagree with your characterization of the PTM, but that aside, the Afghan government and government officials should not be engaging with a racist and ethnic hatred promoting group in Pakistan. So long as the Afghan government keeps issuing statements in support of the PTM and inviting PTM leaders to Afghanistan, the only conclusion that can be drawn is that Afghanistan supports the PTM's racist and ethnically divisive rhetoric and therefore supports organizations that want to divide Pakistan - there cannot be peace between our nations with the pursuit of such policies by Afghanistan.

I agree that we should stop claims on each other's territory. The land belongs to the people who live there. It shouldn't be seen as Afghan or Pakistani land. The prosperity in all spheres of life should be the primary objective. It doesn't matter what state it falls under.

The land belongs to the people and the people have chosen Pakistan. Borders exist for a reason and they must be respected and Afghanistan needs to end its claims on Pakistani territory and accept the Durand Line as the border like the rest of the international community.

My ideal scenario for my Pashtun people would be that my language Pashto becomes the primary means of communication in all spheres of life. I want to see scientific books published in Pashto. I want Pashtun kids to get their education in their mother tongue. Scientific research shows that kids learn better in their mother tongue especially when starting out. In Afghanistan, that's already the case in Pashtun areas but still more needs to be done. In Farah province which is 80% Pashtun, the medium is still Farsi. In KPK the situation is really bad. The medium of education is in Urdu and English. Pashto has been relegated to a spoken language. A language can't thrive unless it is being actively usdd in all spheres of life. I am sure it's the same with other regional languages of Pakistan. It's a shame that speaking regional languages has become a sign of backwardness and lack of education.

Supporting the growth of regional languages is something that should be encouraged, whether it is Punjabi, Pashto, Sindhi etc. You are correct that every regional language has seen a decline in Pakistan and most parts of Pakistan teach in Urdu & English. The 18th amendment passed almost 10 years ago made education a provincial subject, so the provinces could make a move to introduce regional languages, but honestly, with the diversity in Pakistan, that will likely make things a lot worse before they get better at this point. There aren't enough qualified teachers that can teach in Urdu and English, shifting to teaching in regional languages will likely make that pool even smaller.

There is an additional wrinkle in that a ethnically and linguistically diverse country, where residents from the various provinces travel, work and live in other provinces, needs at least one common language of communication, so limiting education to just regional languages isn't going to work. Think about how many Pashtun, Punjabis, Urdu speakers and Sindhis live in Karachi or Lahore for example - what language will they be taught in?

Like I said, while promoting regional languages is absolutely a desirable goal, I don't see it as very practical at this point.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

In all honesty nothing is going to happen.

Pak govt lacks a pair and any strategic thinking.

Wakhan corridor is inhabited by Pamiris/Tajiks who also live on our side.

And a sane option (which nobody would take) is to ask Afghanistan to sell the 20 km strip to Pakistan. Even that is long stretched.