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Reminds me of my days in school learning of Spartans-they considered Archery a cowardly way of fighting!! This thinking has no place on the modern battlefield.



Yep:

“No poor bast*** ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making other bast**s die for their country.”


This is the Islamic/religious element stepping into their mindset, incredibly corrosive IMHO.

Reminds me of a interview of a MARCOS guy who was asked "What will you do if you get caught..would you crack up?...would you give you life in the line of duty?"..The MARCOS guy replied.."No..i will kill them and come back"!!

Heres the video:-

 
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Reminds me of an interview of a MARCOS guy who was asked "What will you do if you get caught..would you surrender"..The MARCOS guy replied.."No..i will kill them and come back"!!

Heres the video:-


Very much so-good one!
 
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EzioAltaïr;3493334 said:
Dude Spartans? They are out of this world you know. They used to consider walls cowardly. They didn't build a wall around Sparta. :rofl:

P.S. And still kicked the arses of invaders by the way. :D

They considered walls cowardly? What?! Their main fighting tactic was to hide behind a spear-wall and poke fun at the enemies who came near them.

IMO, Spartans are highly over-rated! They are just another set of Greeks, but the main difference was that they employed professional soldiers, unlike other Greek city-states who used levy citizen armies.
 
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Ex-NSA Narayanan not in favour of 4 commando hubs

West Bengal Governor MK Narayanan on Friday expressed reservations about establishing four regional hubs of the elite National Security Guard (NSG), one of the issues that created a chasm between him, in his previous avatar as National Security Advisor (NSA), and then home minister P Chidambaram following the 2008 Mumbai terror attack.

Delivering the first lecture of a series initiated by the NSG to mark its raising day, Narayanan also said that he was concerned over moves to increase the strength of the force.

"I am concerned on the current emphasis on increasing the size and numbers of the NSG. I also have reservations about the establishment of the four regional hubs," the former NSA said here, admitting that he was speaking against conventional wisdom.

"The NSG is an elite special force intended to meet a specific situation and not intended to confront a normal law and order situation. Its strength does not lie in its numbers," he said at the event, attended among others by Indian Navy Chief Admiral DK Joshi, Intelligence Bureau director Nehchal Sandhu and NSG director general Subhash Joshi.

"Its uniqueness lies in the fact that it consists of the bravest of the brave personnel having a great virtue and ability; specially trained for undertaking the most difficult of tasks; and provided with the best equipment available in the world," Narayanan said.

"The increasing numbers, to my mind, is bound to dilute both the quality and capability of the force," he emphasised.

Narayanan's reported differences with Chidambaram in the aftermath of the 26/11 strike is said to be the reason for his being shifted out as the National Security Adviser to the gubernatorial post in the Kolkata Raj Bhavan.

Narayanan was NSA from 2005 to 2010 under Prime Minister Manmohan Singh.

The four NSG hubs at Mumbai, Chennai, Hyderabad and Kolkata, that have been set up since 2010, were born out of criticism during the Mumbai attacks after the elite commando unit reached the megalopolis only the next morning, almost six hours after the attack began.

The former NSA noted that the elite commando unit could reach any place in India within two hours and for that purpose favoured "captive" air assets to fly them to the place of need.

At present, the NSG relies on the Indian Air Force (IAF) to airlift it to the place of operation. But it also has powers to requisition aircraft from civilian airlines whenever required.

Narayanan also noted that the NSG, being a specialised unit, used by the government as a last resort to handle extraordinary crisis situations, should be "leaner and agile" and capable of carrying out operation with "speed, precision, along with covert capability"

"An important attribute of the NSG, if not vital, is the nature of its personnel. It is the men who contribute to the force being different," he said, emphasising that NSG is the "only civilian special force" in the country and refusing to call other commando units of paramilitary and police forces, be it from the centre or states, as special forces.

He also suggested that the NSG, being a counter-terrorism special force, should begin its own research units to have prior information on terror outfits and its operatives that pose a threat to national security.

He also asked the force to have a "re-look" on its recruitment strategy as it draws from both the armed forces and the police-paramilitary forces of the country.

Narayanan also wanted the NSG, and the government security establishment, to consider if the force needed to build counter-proliferation and nuclear-security capability.

Ex-NSA Narayanan not in favour of 4 commando hubs
 
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They considered walls cowardly? What?! Their main fighting tactic was to hide behind a spear-wall and poke fun at the enemies who came near them.

IMO, Spartans are highly over-rated! They are just another set of Greeks, but the main difference was that they employed professional soldiers, unlike other Greek city-states who used levy citizen armies.

Spear wall is just an effective tactic. Just for the record, they wore no armour, 'coz they considered that cowardly too. And wore red clothes so that a guy won't see a bleeding comrade, and not waste time helping him. They were a warrior race.
 
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Ex-NSA Narayanan not in favour of 4 commando hubs

West Bengal Governor MK Narayanan on Friday expressed reservations about establishing four regional hubs of the elite National Security Guard (NSG), one of the issues that created a chasm between him, in his previous avatar as National Security Advisor (NSA), and then home minister P Chidambaram following the 2008 Mumbai terror attack.

Delivering the first lecture of a series initiated by the NSG to mark its raising day, Narayanan also said that he was concerned over moves to increase the strength of the force.

"I am concerned on the current emphasis on increasing the size and numbers of the NSG. I also have reservations about the establishment of the four regional hubs," the former NSA said here, admitting that he was speaking against conventional wisdom.

"The NSG is an elite special force intended to meet a specific situation and not intended to confront a normal law and order situation. Its strength does not lie in its numbers," he said at the event, attended among others by Indian Navy Chief Admiral DK Joshi, Intelligence Bureau director Nehchal Sandhu and NSG director general Subhash Joshi.

"Its uniqueness lies in the fact that it consists of the bravest of the brave personnel having a great virtue and ability; specially trained for undertaking the most difficult of tasks; and provided with the best equipment available in the world," Narayanan said.

"The increasing numbers, to my mind, is bound to dilute both the quality and capability of the force," he emphasised.

Narayanan's reported differences with Chidambaram in the aftermath of the 26/11 strike is said to be the reason for his being shifted out as the National Security Adviser to the gubernatorial post in the Kolkata Raj Bhavan.

Narayanan was NSA from 2005 to 2010 under Prime Minister Manmohan Singh.

The four NSG hubs at Mumbai, Chennai, Hyderabad and Kolkata, that have been set up since 2010, were born out of criticism during the Mumbai attacks after the elite commando unit reached the megalopolis only the next morning, almost six hours after the attack began.

The former NSA noted that the elite commando unit could reach any place in India within two hours and for that purpose favoured "captive" air assets to fly them to the place of need.

At present, the NSG relies on the Indian Air Force (IAF) to airlift it to the place of operation. But it also has powers to requisition aircraft from civilian airlines whenever required.

Narayanan also noted that the NSG, being a specialised unit, used by the government as a last resort to handle extraordinary crisis situations, should be "leaner and agile" and capable of carrying out operation with "speed, precision, along with covert capability"

"An important attribute of the NSG, if not vital, is the nature of its personnel. It is the men who contribute to the force being different," he said, emphasising that NSG is the "only civilian special force" in the country and refusing to call other commando units of paramilitary and police forces, be it from the centre or states, as special forces.

He also suggested that the NSG, being a counter-terrorism special force, should begin its own research units to have prior information on terror outfits and its operatives that pose a threat to national security.

He also asked the force to have a "re-look" on its recruitment strategy as it draws from both the armed forces and the police-paramilitary forces of the country.

Narayanan also wanted the NSG, and the government security establishment, to consider if the force needed to build counter-proliferation and nuclear-security capability.

Ex-NSA Narayanan not in favour of 4 commando hubs

This logic is flawed IMHO. Now if the increase in manpower is not accompanied by an increase in funds for get NSG or if the training imparted is of a lesser quality than in the past the yes there would be cause for alarm but as it stands neither of these things happened the training is the same and the budget has Been increased substantially. Addtionally he problem wih he NSG was there were too many SRG agents and not enough SAG relatively so he NSG had become a VVIP protection agency with CT as only a small part of what it did. Now it seems be SRG is being cut back so the NSG will be more capable to conduct CT ops. The fact is India is a geographically large country and it makes sense to deploy resources in multiple locations in a crisis situation he first hour is crucial and if any help is 2+ hours away at best then be likelihood of an emergency turning into a catastrophe increases. Yes states are training up their own specialist units but for dealing wih well armed and well trained terrorists like in 26/11 you really need a hardened force like the NSG. I think a nation of 1.2 BILLION can find more than the current number of NSG operators up to he task, for some reason the ex-NSA seems to think that such a large nation has a very small number of those up to it.
 
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EzioAltaïr;3496548 said:
Spear wall is just an effective tactic. Just for the record, they wore no armour, 'coz they considered that cowardly too. And wore red clothes so that a guy won't see a bleeding comrade, and not waste time helping him. They were a warrior race.

Myths. Spartans wore armor like all the other Greeks, and them wearing crimson red is doubtful too(I think the 'red' clothing part is an invention by Hollywood). But they did leave their hair long and grew beards as a sign of masculinity.

BTW, Spartans fought in a phalanx formation, you can't really help an injured comrade in that formation unless you broke formation.
 
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They considered walls cowardly? What?! Their main fighting tactic was to hide behind a spear-wall and poke fun at the enemies who came near them.

IMO, Spartans are highly over-rated! They are just another set of Greeks, but the main difference was that they employed professional soldiers, unlike other Greek city-states who used levy citizen armies.

Spartans are highly over rated by rootless US who wants to find their history in Europe.
 
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Myths. Spartans wore armor like all the other Greeks, and them wearing crimson red is doubtful too(I think the 'red' clothing part is an invention by Hollywood). But they did leave their hair long and grew beards as a sign of masculinity.

BTW, Spartans fought in a phalanx formation, you can't really help an injured comrade in that formation unless you broke formation.

Well yeah, most of what we know of Spartan history, is Hollywood myths. But that's true for almost all legendary fighters right? ;)
 
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