Indian Special Forces

[MUHARIB]

Where were these guys during the attack on bombay by terrorists? why werent they used?

Genuine question or you trolling??

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Where were these guys during the attack on bombay by terrorists? why werent they used?

Genuine question or you trolling??

 

[lem34]

Yaar serious why wernt they used?

 

[tony singh]

Where were these guys during the attack on bombay by terrorists? why werent they used?

NSG were based in Delhi had to fly to Mumbai this is all changed after 26/11 with regional hubs.


Our special forces lacked the Corner shot gun which we have now bought in and placed more orders for Helicopters.

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This is what we needed when 26/11 went down.

 

[MUHARIB]

Yaar serious why wernt they used?

Othr than NSG no other SFunits are responsible for this role...and since NSG was not present at that time the MARCOS moved in and rescued many hostages and kept the terrorists at bay till the NSG arrived...the transportation system was poor hence the delay but now after 26/11 many things have changed and there are NSG hubs in many major cities.
In Short NSG were not used in the first hours of the attack.

 

[Jason bourne]

corner shot how many we have ?

 

[boris]

Yaar serious why wernt they used?

Dekh dost India has an amazing system of bureaucracy if NSG is meant for urban combat means only they will be used,firstly they sent in the MARCOS and only 7 MARCOS each went in Taj and Oberoi without any building layout,entry points,exit points,number of terrorists etc.For any SF unit zero intel is a nightmare and if you recall Indian media was at one time reporting some 50 terrorists involved over all.Even army SF said that when we are at Agra with a plane ready why the bloody hell werent we sent and i know one thing that in CQB MARCOS and PARA(SF) can beat NSG hands down.MARCOS has probably the best killing house in India.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Dekh dost India has an amazing system of bureaucracy if NSG is meant for urban combat means only they will be used,firstly they sent in the MARCOS and only 7 MARCOS each went in Taj and Oberoi without any building layout,entry points,exit points,number of terrorists etc.For any SF unit zero intel is a nightmare and if you recall Indian media was at one time reporting some 50 terrorists involved over all.Even army SF said that when we are at Agra with a plane ready why the bloody hell werent we sent and i know one thing that in CQB MARCOS and PARA(SF) can beat NSG hands down.MARCOS has probably the best killing house in India.

How do you know this? Sources? Also NSG is a dedicated CT force so surely they would spend far more time in kill houses than the PARA SF and MARCOs who have much wider remits. Also much of NSG SAG are PARA SF on deputation.

 

[IndianArmy]

Dekh dost India has an amazing system of bureaucracy if NSG is meant for urban combat means only they will be used,firstly they sent in the MARCOS and only 7 MARCOS each went in Taj and Oberoi without any building layout,entry points,exit points,number of terrorists etc.For any SF unit zero intel is a nightmare and if you recall Indian media was at one time reporting some 50 terrorists involved over all.Even army SF said that when we are at Agra with a plane ready why the bloody hell werent we sent and i know one thing that in CQB MARCOS and PARA(SF) can beat NSG hands down.MARCOS has probably the best killing house in India.

Well son, NSG by itself is divided into two, The 51 SAG (Special Action Group) and 52 SAG . One is trained for counter terrorism while the other is for Counter hijack. There is also something called NSG - Special Rangers Group or SRG who are used for isolating target areas. NSG is indeed a force to recon with.

SRG is the group in the spotlight as Media gets a coverage of only them while the real commandos the SAG are heavily trained with moderate or good gear.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Well son, NSG by itself is divided into two, The 51 SAG (Special Action Group) and 52 SAG . One is trained for counter terrorism while the other is for Counter hijack. There is also something called NSG - Special Rangers Group or SRG who are used for isolating target areas. NSG is indeed a force to recon with.

SRG is the group in the spotlight as Media gets a coverage of only them while the real commandos the SAG are heavily trained with moderate or good gear.

You forget the SRG is mainly used for VVIP protection, that is why they are in the media spotlight. Post 26/11 the SAG have undergone quite extensive upgrades which are ongoing, and supposedly by 2014 they will have state of the art, networked advanced kit for all.

Recent vid of NSG, shows some post 26/11 upgrades:
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[Abingdonboy]

Some screen shots from above vid, not looking too shabby:

 

[IndianArmy]

You forget the SRG is mainly used for VVIP protection, that is why they are in the media spotlight. Post 26/11 the SRG have undergone quite extensive upgrades which are ongoing, and supposedly by 2014 they will have state of the art, networked advanced kit for all.

Recent vid of NSG, shows some post 26/11 upgrades:
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I am not much aware of these guys, not only them but any paramilitary forces. SRG gets all the attention is all I know.

 

[boris]

How do you know this? Sources? Also NSG is a dedicated CT force so surely they would spend far more time in kill houses than the PARA SF and MARCOs who have much wider remits. Also much of NSG SAG are PARA SF on deputation.

MARCOS were trained by the SEALs ,SEALs all train in counter terrorism as part of their training hence the MARCOS from the beginning picked it up and have evolved their tactics.

NSG may be dedicated to urban counter terrorism but like that so is the SWAT in US but tactics differ even though the NSG has SF guys on deputation but tactics differ from a military SF unit to a paramilitary unit like NSG,tactics like Method of Entry,Room clearance procedures,type of demolitions used.Since 26/11 Army SF has dedicated teams training for Counter Terrorism/CQB at the SFTS Nahan and they are on standby ,MARCOS practices a lot of CQB at Vizag.

NSG is a paramilitary force as it comes under the home ministry,it is a special response unit not a Special Forces unit.A unit capable of performing in all environments and capable of things like recon,intellegence collection,sabotage,demolitions is what is called an SF unit and NSG is only for CT you wont send NSG to blow enemy comms behind enemy lines hence it is not an SF unit.

 

[Abingdonboy]

I am not much aware of these guys, not only them but any paramilitary forces. SRG gets all the attention is all I know.

No, you got it pretty much right in terms of 51/52 SAG, these are the guys who carry out the offensive CT jobs and are recruited from IA (many from SF) whilst the men of SRG are recruited from IPS and CAPFs. SRG are those who carry out VVIP protection and hence get all the attention.

MARCOS were trained by the SEALs ,SEALs all train in counter terrorism as part of their training hence the MARCOS from the beginning picked it up and have evolved their tactics.

NSG may be dedicated to urban counter terrorism but like that so is the SWAT in US but tactics differ even though the NSG has SF guys on deputation but tactics differ from a military SF unit to a paramilitary unit like NSG,tactics like Method of Entry,Room clearance procedures,type of demolitions used.Since 26/11 Army SF has dedicated teams training for Counter Terrorism/CQB at the SFTS Nahan and they are on standby ,MARCOS practices a lot of CQB at Vizag.

NSG is a paramilitary force as it comes under the home ministry,it is a special response unit not a Special Forces unit.A unit capable of performing in all environments and capable of things like recon,intellegence collection,sabotage,demolitions is what is called an SF unit and NSG is only for CT you wont send NSG to blow enemy comms behind enemy lines hence it is not an SF unit.

Mate I'm not saying NSG are SF, far from it. But as a dedicated CT force they are trained accordingly and focus on CT ops primarily whilst IA SF and MARCOs have a HUGE operational remit ranging from Airborne ops to jungle, urban, mountain warfare aswell as demolition HR etc etc ASWELL AS CT. Hence they have to divide their time between training whereas NSG devote all their time to CT ops. Being elite SOFs PARA SF and MARCOs are incredibly capable in all fields including CT no doubt.

The closest comparison to NSG would be FBI HRT, that's not to say Delta and SEALs aren't good at CT but it is not their PRIMARY role, just a module in their training just part of their remit.

 

[Jason bourne]

what abt this finsas programe ... no new news abt it ?

 

[boris]

No, you got it pretty much right in terms of 51/52 SAG, these are the guys who carry out the offensive CT jobs and are recruited from IA (many from SF) whilst the men of SRG are recruited from IPS and CAPFs. SRG are those who carry out VVIP protection and hence get all the attention.


Mate I'm not saying NSG are SF, far from it. But as a dedicated CT force they are trained accordingly and focus on CT ops primarily whilst IA SF and MARCOs have a HUGE operational remit ranging from Airborne ops to jungle, urban, mountain warfare aswell as demolition HR etc etc ASWELL AS CT. Hence they have to divide their time between training whereas NSG devote all their time to CT ops. Being elite SOFs PARA SF and MARCOs are incredibly capable in all fields including CT no doubt.

The closest comparison to NSG would be FBI HRT, that's not to say Delta and SEALs aren't good at CT but it is not their PRIMARY role, just a module in their training just part of their remit.

Agreed mate, but on the point of Delta and DEVGRU their main job is CT from what i have read by former members they spend max times in killing houses firing almost a thousand rounds everyday.