Indian Special Forces

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Makes sense, thats why there is only a very limited number of M 16s in the NSG`s arsenal.

BTW: This NSG commando here interestingly used a 7.62 battle rifle instead of his Sig during the Mumbai attacks

Fnfal.. Aka SLR.

 

[Abingdonboy]

During Bombay attacks:

And what year were the Mumbai attacks? 2008- precisely why I said pre-2008.

They were too poorly armed and equipped back then.Looking back at those pictures now,it seems the 26/11 Mumbai attacks,no matter how much painful and bloody might have been,was a jolt necessary to wake our government up from its usual slumber.

Agreed, Indian leadership (political class) has shown it is reactionary and not proactive time and time again- 26/11 woke them up thankfully but it is said it took that event to do so.

Now all states/cities have well equipped and trained special response units beside the NSG being given a makeover.

Overall the Paras may be the most bad *** among Indian SFs,but when it comes to high altitude warfare,not many forces in the world can come close to the performance of Parvat Ghataks.........not even the 9 Para.

Nonsense, utter nonsense. Para (SF) are Special Forces, Ghataks are well trained and specially equipped infantry. SF are the cream of the crop, no way would Ghataks be superior by any measure- that makes no sense.

The era of m-16 has passed..

The M-16s are not new purchases, they are from the 90s and the only time I've seen them in NSG hands in on this table and as part of a display of arms, beyond that it's not used at all.

For sniper and within the assault teams the NSG uses the SIG 550/2/3 series:

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Overall the Paras may be the most bad *** among Indian SFs,but when it comes to high altitude warfare,not many forces in the world can come close to the performance of Parvat Ghataks.........not even the 9 Para.

9 Para SF are the best in High Altitude warfare.Officers and jawans from 9 Para are instructors in HAWS.

 

[Unknowncommando]

INDIAN ARMY PARA SPECIAL FORCE COMMANDOS

INDIAN NAVY MARCOS

 

[The A-5]

@Omega007 - Not sure if 5.56/7.62mm ARs would be advisable will all civilians/hostages running around.

EDIT : Oh sorry, others members already responded to it...

 

[Unknowncommando]

INDIAN NAVY MARCOS

 

[Omega007]

Nonsense, utter nonsense. Para (SF) are Special Forces, Ghataks are well trained and specially equipped infantry. SF are the cream of the crop, no way would Ghataks be superior by any measure- that makes no sense.

Your opinion is duly noted and ignored.I know what I'm saying and these are not particularly my words.

And anyway,I didn't say "Ghataks",you would be well advised to take a look at the little details.I said Parvat Ghataks,those trained in the High Altitude Commando Training School and HAWS.

I did say,overall Paras are best our country has to offer,but as they are SFs,quite naturally they have to train to operate in different terrains and environments as well as in CQB situations.But the Parvat Ghataks are specifically trained for HAW,that's what they do over and over and over again through out their tenures,they are quite naturally better acclimatised to those altitudes.So it shouldn't come as a surprise if they are better for that particular role simply due to the fact that the Parvat Ghataks have much more exposure to that particular operating environment.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Your opinion is duly noted and ignored.I know what I'm saying and these are not particularly my words.

And anyway,I didn't say "Ghataks",you would be well advised to take a look at the little details.I said Parvat Ghataks,those trained in the High Altitude Commando Training School and HAWS.

I did say,overall Paras are best our country has to offer,but as they are SFs,quite naturally they have to train to operate in different terrains and environments as well as in CQB situations.But the Parvat Ghataks are specifically trained for HAW,that's what they do over and over and over again through out their tenures,they are quite naturally better acclimatised to those altitudes.So it shouldn't come as a surprise if they are better for that particular role simply due to the fact that the Parvat Ghataks have much more exposure to that particular operating environment.

The bulk of the SpecOps in the valley are done by Para and particularly the 9th Battalion.Other times they are working with the Ghataks and it is the Ghataks who are under Para and not the other way around.

I know where this is coming from as majority of the Infantry Officers rate Ghataks very close to Para SF..but that is not true.

 

[Immanuel]

I did say,overall Paras are best our country has to offer quote]

Well that is incorrect. All Indian SF units are more or else equally good, some are better than the others in some areas. Marcos/ Garuds, Paras & SFF undergo all types of training including mountain warfare/ Desert warfare/jungle warfare/ Unconventional warfare/ COIN warfare/ CT warfare. On average training goes from between 3.5-5 years after basic training and they undergo many modules of courses, this makes them literally extremly well trained jack of all trades but not surely the best in every single aspect. For example all SF units including Garuds/ SFF are trained extensively in diving but Marcos is the absolute force that specializes in marine warfare.

Indian SF units are easily the deadliest all terrian SF units the world and easily deployable in all kinds of extreme conditions. However, Para-9 SF are not necessarily the best mountain warriors. All SF battallions are all weather trained. The best mountain warriors in the country come from Regular infantry regiments i.e Ladadkh scouts/ Gurkha Rifles etc. Ghatak units in these highly decorated regiments are quite literally the best mountain warriors on the planet. This doesn't make 9 Para-SF or a Marcos squad any less deadly. However, the whole idea of SF force is be deployable any place needed and hit out at very well defended targets that deliver tactical and strategic blows to the enemy.

Actually the Infantry is full of specialists, a regular Ladakh Scout, Gurkha Rifle or Kumaon regiment jawan would give most SF units in the world a run for their money

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Well that is incorrect. All Indian SF units are more or else equally good, some are better than the others in some areas. Marcos/ Garuds, Paras & SFF undergo all types of training including mountain warfare/ Desert warfare/jungle warfare/ Unconventional warfare/ COIN warfare/ CT warfare. On average training goes from between 3.5-5 years after basic training and they undergo many modules of courses, this makes them literally extremly well trained jack of all trades but not surely the best in every single aspect. For example all SF units including Garuds/ SFF are trained extensively in diving but Marcos is the absolute force that specializes in marine warfare.

Indian SF units are easily the deadliest all terrian SF units the world and easily deployable in all kinds of extreme conditions. However, Para-9 SF are not necessarily the best mountain warriors. All SF battallions are all weather trained. The best mountain warriors in the country come from Regular infantry regiments i.e Ladadkh scouts/ Gurkha Rifles etc. Ghatak units in these highly decorated regiments are quite literally the best mountain warriors on the planet. This doesn't make 9 Para-SF or a Marcos squad any less deadly. However, the whole idea of SF force is be deployable any place needed and hit out at very well defended targets that deliver tactical and strategic blows to the enemy.

Actually the Infantry is full of specialists, a regular Ladakh Scout, Gurkha Rifle or Kumaon regiment jawan would give most SF units in the world a run for their money

Not true.

Marcos have no experience in HAW.Garud have no experience in amphibious operations.

Check out google or any other database and you will see that no other unit comes closer to 9th Battalion in SpecOps in Kashmir valley.They are the experts.

I do not understand this theory that the Desert Scorpions will be better than 9th battalion in Moutain warfare.

Ofcourse operators from all units have to serve in Kashmir but there are some units with a unmatchable history in operations in the valley.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

And as a matter of fact Marcos are a regular student of CIJWS and they are nowhere near the best.The best timing in drills and shooting ranges, best tactis displayed and better efficency records are all held by PARA, PARA SF and Gorkhas.

 

[Omega007]

@Immanuel ,I beg to differ.The MARCOS and the Garud will come nowhere near the Para SF or the Parvat Ghataks when it comes to Jungle warfare or HAW.The SFF is a whole different story though since their ranks are filled with Para SF operators!!
And wrt MARCOS being equal to the Paras,please give it a rest.Like we haven't already seen their "performance" during the 26/11!!It was the Para SF guys who saved the day.

 

[Omega007]

The bulk of the SpecOps in the valley are done by Para and particularly the 9th Battalion.Other times they are working with the Ghataks and it is the Ghataks who are under Para and not the other way around.

I know where this is coming from as majority of the Infantry Officers rate Ghataks very close to Para SF..but that is not true.

There is difference between mountain warfare and HAW.Of course in the forested Kashmir valleys situated in the comparatively lower altitudes,the Para SF personnel are invincible.......there's simply no denying in that.And I wasn't exactly speaking about this matter.

What I was talking about,is operations in extreme high altitudes (above 18-19000 feet ASL).At those altitudes,the Parvat Ghataks would definitely gain the upper hand over the Paras or anyone else for that matter.These units are raised,trained and maintained specifically and solely for operations in extremely high altitudes.But the Para SF personnel have to train in a plethora of different terrain and environments ranging from high altitude mountains to densely vegitated valleys to temperate forests to marsh lands.Then there is various room intervention and CQB drills which comes with their SF tag.So quite naturally the Parvat Ghataks would take the lead when it comes to operations in the high peaks.

Again,I'm not speaking about operations in the forested Kashmir Valleys of the comparatively lower altitudes.

And by the way,you got it right.I came to know this things from a retired Indian Army Lt Colonel,he had been a student in the High Altitude Commando School,situated in Tawang.And yeah,his views regarding the Ghatak troopers was quite favourable.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

There is difference between mountain warfare and HAW.Of course in the forested Kashmir valleys situated in the comparatively lower altitudes,the Para SF personnel are invincible.......there's simply no denying in that.And I wasn't exactly speaking about this matter.

What I was talking about,is operations in extreme high altitudes (above 18-19000 feet ASL).At those altitudes,the Parvat Ghataks would definitely gain the upper hand over the Paras or anyone else for that matter.These units are raised,trained and maintained specifically and solely for operations in extremely high altitudes.But the Para SF personnel have to train in a plethora of different terrain and environments ranging from high altitude mountains to densely vegitated valleys to temperate forests to marsh lands.Then there is various room intervention and CQB drills which comes with their SF tag.So quite naturally the Parvat Ghataks would take the lead when it comes to operations in the high peaks.

Again,I'm not speaking about operations in the forested Kashmir Valleys of the comparatively lower altitudes.

And by the way,you got it right.I came to know this things from a retired Indian Army Lt Colonel,he had been a student in the High Altitude Commando School,situated in Tawang.And yeah,his views regarding the Ghatak troopers was quite favourable.

I know that.What I am saying is that these Parbat Ghataks are trained by a few Para SF people...Para SF has a wide varitey of well trained operators with experince of being Instructors of Parbhat Ghataks to Phantom Commandos.

 

[Omega007]

I know that.What I am saying is that these Parbat Ghataks are trained by a few Para SF people...Para SF has a wide varitey of well trained operators with experince of being Instructors of Parbhat Ghataks to Phantom Commandos.

I see.Well,at the end of the day,both are on the same team and it's great to have two of the most deadly mountain warfare units in the Indian Army.

Who are Phantom Commandos by the way,never heard of them.Could you spare some info??