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@Archie..
very good posts..I guess the no. of nuke Subs will increase in coming years ..Because 8 nuclear submarines are just not enough for a navy of our size.
BTW a total of 24 Diesel-electric submarines are planned for Navy..
12 Foreign+12 Desi..
 
@Archie..
very good posts..I guess the no. of nuke Subs will increase in coming years ..Because 8 nuclear submarines are just not enough for a navy of our size.
BTW a total of 24 Diesel-electric submarines are planned for Navy..
12 Foreign+12 Desi..

Jha ji , when do u expect India to role out Desi Diesel Sub
Frankly i dont even see us working on an Indian Diesel Sub before 2022 with Commissioning begining in 2032 Also i dont even see navt ordering more than 4 Subs at one time , simply becoz navy is more interested in Indegenous SSN than SSK ,
Given the choice Navy would like to order 4 additional SSN instead of ssk
 
Jha ji , when do u expect India to role out Desi Diesel Sub
Frankly i dont even see us working on an Indian Diesel Sub before 2022 with Commissioning begining in 2032 Also i dont even see navt ordering more than 4 Subs at one time , simply becoz navy is more interested in Indegenous SSN than SSK ,
Given the choice Navy would like to order 4 additional SSN instead of ssk

hehehehe..lets hope Shipyards get their act together ..
 
These are 2 be followed by 4 SSN based on Akula II Design with construction between 2016-2027
Any source for this Akula II information ?/

BTW a total of 24 Diesel-electric submarines are planned for Navy..
12 Foreign+12 Desi..
There is no indication of any desi SSK. Also right now shipyards should just concentrate on 12 subs.
Although after completion of those 12 subs, anything is possible. IN is not interested but if shipyards present a cost-effective and technological better case against MOD then some desi SSK might be possible.
 
Any source for this Akula II information ?/


There is no indication of any desi SSK. Also right now shipyards should just concentrate on 12 subs.
Although after completion of those 12 subs, anything is possible. IN is not interested but if shipyards present a cost-effective and technological better case against MOD then some desi SSK might be possible.

Well
AK Antony had said that navy will build SSN s after completion of the SSBNs
Directorate of Naval Design had submitted 3 Proposals

01. A 4500 Ton design for attack sub capable of launching Cruise Missiles and anti ship missiles , This design is influenced by the French Baracuda Class and will also have a lot in common with Scorpene class being built in India , However one short comming with this design is that it is pure attack sub , it cannot be modified to launch Ballistic missile , This sub could launch Brahmos ONLY or an advance version of Brahmos which could hit targets at 550 Km

02. This design is based on a Modified Arihant class or Akula I Hull , It will weigh 7000-7500 Tons and would be capable of launching Cruise Missiles like Nirbhay and could also be modified to launch Ballistic Missiles if required . This kind of Sub will be of the same size as Royal Navy HMS Astute and could also feature European sub systems and Noise Reduction Features

03. Third Design is for a larger Sub based on Akula II Design and weighing 8500-9000 Tons
Now Indian Navy is quite impressed with Akula II Class Sub , as well as its capability to carry 28 Cruise Missiles
Since they will also be getting 1-2 of these subs on 10 yr lease , they have requested MOD for SSNs based on AKULA II design
and by operating these subs for 10 yrs valuable knowledge gained by crew and Techies could be used for building an improved version Based on Akula II , SAME AS Arihant was based on design of Akula I

Certain guys at SSC and DND were more interested in First or second option than the 3rd one becoz it would have been easier as compared to 3rd option which would require additional 3-4 Yr for design
However navy had stuck to its gun that it wants the option to launch ballistic missiles for all its N subs should there be a crises and thankfully Antony Listened to them
 
Certain guys at SSC and DND were more interested in First or second option than the 3rd one becoz it would have been easier as compared to 3rd option which would require additional 3-4 Yr for design
However navy had stuck to its gun that it wants the option to launch ballistic missiles for all its N subs should there be a crises and thankfully Antony Listened to them
First design is also good but the only problem is that it can use only Cruise Missiles.
But I hope Navy's demand is accepted. 28 Cruise Missiles on one sub would be deadly.
I think now Directorate of Naval Design should start working on this 3rd design. So that by the time Arihant series is over in 2016, our shipyards can start working on SSN.
 
Navy to operate Viraat aircraft carrier for another decade

NEW DELHI: The navy is planning to operate its lone aircraft carrier INS Viraat , which has already completed 50 years of service, for another decade, a top official said here Wednesday.

Assistant Chief of Naval Staff (Foreign Cooperation and Intelligence) Rear Admiral Anil Kumar Chawla said that INS Viraat, which celebrated its golden jubilee year in 2009, will be operated till 2020.

However, he said this will be possible only if its ageing Sea Harrier fighter aircraft fleet is available for ship-borne operations.

Viraat, a Centaur class aircraft carrier of British origin, had served for 28 years from 1959 as HMS Hermes in the Royal British Navy before it was transferred to India in 1987.

In the Indian Navy, Viraat has completed nearly 23 years of its operational life and is one of the oldest aircraft carriers in naval operation at present.

Its fighter aircraft complement is the British-origin Sea Harrier, about 30 of which were inducted into the Indian Navy in 1983. The navy has lost about 20 of these aircraft in crashes over the years and about 10 are left in service now.

Interestingly, the navy's Republic Day parade tableau this year will feature the Viraat and the naval air wing's new acquisition, the Russian-made MiG-29K carrier-borne fighter jets, Chawla said.

India is also building an Indigenous Aircraft Carrier (IAC) at the Cochin Shipyard, which is expected to be launched in the waters later this year or early next year. "From launch to get the IAC operational, it could take about four to five years," he said.

The navy plans to have the IAC, to be called INS Vikrant, ready for operations by 2014-15, Chawla said, adding that the naval variant of the indigenous Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) would be the fighter jet for the 40,000-tonne IAC.

With India also scheduled to get delivery of the Admiral Gorshkov aircraft carrier from Russia by late 2012 or early 2013, the navy is hoping to operate two aircraft carriers by the middle of this decade.

Karwar naval facility in Karnataka is expected to be the home base for Admiral Gorshkov, which was purchased by India in 2004 and rechristened INS Vikramaditya.

The refit of Gorshkov, for which India agreed to pay $2.34 billion in 2009 instead of the earlier agreed price of $1.5-billion, is in progress at the Sevmash shipyard in Russia.

India has bought 16 MiG-2Ks for Gorshkov and the first lot of the fighter jets has been delivered. These fighter jets are at present operating out of Goa. There are plans for buying 29 more of these aircraft for the navy soon.

The Republic Day parade tableau will also feature photographs of HMS Trincomalee, the oldest ship afloat in the world as of today. Tricomalee was built at the Bombay Dockyard in 1817 and is celebrating its 275th anniversary this year.

Navy to operate Viraat aircraft carrier for another decade - The Economic Times
 
Navy to operate Viraat aircraft carrier for another decade

NEW DELHI: The navy is planning to operate its lone aircraft carrier INS Viraat , which has already completed 50 years of service, for another decade, a top official said here Wednesday.

Assistant Chief of Naval Staff (Foreign Cooperation and Intelligence) Rear Admiral Anil Kumar Chawla said that INS Viraat, which celebrated its golden jubilee year in 2009, will be operated till 2020.

However, he said this will be possible only if its ageing Sea Harrier fighter aircraft fleet is available for ship-borne operations.

Viraat, a Centaur class aircraft carrier of British origin, had served for 28 years from 1959 as HMS Hermes in the Royal British Navy before it was transferred to India in 1987.

In the Indian Navy, Viraat has completed nearly 23 years of its operational life and is one of the oldest aircraft carriers in naval operation at present.

Its fighter aircraft complement is the British-origin Sea Harrier, about 30 of which were inducted into the Indian Navy in 1983. The navy has lost about 20 of these aircraft in crashes over the years and about 10 are left in service now.

Interestingly, the navy's Republic Day parade tableau this year will feature the Viraat and the naval air wing's new acquisition, the Russian-made MiG-29K carrier-borne fighter jets, Chawla said.

India is also building an Indigenous Aircraft Carrier (IAC) at the Cochin Shipyard, which is expected to be launched in the waters later this year or early next year. "From launch to get the IAC operational, it could take about four to five years," he said.

The navy plans to have the IAC, to be called INS Vikrant, ready for operations by 2014-15, Chawla said, adding that the naval variant of the indigenous Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) would be the fighter jet for the 40,000-tonne IAC.

With India also scheduled to get delivery of the Admiral Gorshkov aircraft carrier from Russia by late 2012 or early 2013, the navy is hoping to operate two aircraft carriers by the middle of this decade.

Karwar naval facility in Karnataka is expected to be the home base for Admiral Gorshkov, which was purchased by India in 2004 and rechristened INS Vikramaditya.

The refit of Gorshkov, for which India agreed to pay $2.34 billion in 2009 instead of the earlier agreed price of $1.5-billion, is in progress at the Sevmash shipyard in Russia.

India has bought 16 MiG-2Ks for Gorshkov and the first lot of the fighter jets has been delivered. These fighter jets are at present operating out of Goa. There are plans for buying 29 more of these aircraft for the navy soon.

The Republic Day parade tableau will also feature photographs of HMS Trincomalee, the oldest ship afloat in the world as of today. Tricomalee was built at the Bombay Dockyard in 1817 and is celebrating its 275th anniversary this year.

Navy to operate Viraat aircraft carrier for another decade - The Economic Times


Not surprising. Whether the Harriers will be in service for another decade will be the question?
Likely scenario: INS Viraat will get recycled in to a helicopter carrier and as an adjunct to the Amphibious Sea-Lift ships i.e. 'Jalashwa' analogues and LSTs. In that role, the air-wing will include AEW, ASW and VERTREP choppers. Who knows, maybe a navalised version of the Chinook!
 
India Navy to induct new fleet tanker on Friday


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NEW DELHI (PTI): Expanding its strategic reach, Indian Navy will induct a new Italy-made fleet tanker on Friday in its inventory boosting its blue-water capabilities.

The tanker, christened INS Deepak, is being inducted under a 159 million Euros contract for procuring two fleet tankers, of which the second one would be inducted by the middle of this year, Navy officials said here.

INS Deepak and Shakti have been built in Italy by European defence major Fincantieri Cantieri Navali and will join the two older fleet tankers, INS Jyoti and INS Aditya, being operated by Navy.

Fleet tankers help in extending the operational range of naval warships including destroyers, frigates and other warships to operate away from shores for longer periods without returning to harbour for replenishment.

With a full-load displacement of 27,500 tonnes, the 175-metre long INS Deepak will be able to carry 17,900 tonnes of cargo, including 15,250 tonnes of fuel. Equipped with four AK-630 guns, the large ship has an endurance of 10,000 nautical miles at a speed of 16 knots.

Under its doctrine, the Navy has cleared its intent to develop a maritime force with capabilities to protect its interests and assets in its area of influence.

The Navy has embarked on a major modernisation programme as it has placed orders for over 40 warships with Indian shipyards, which include the six Scorpene submarines and the indigenous aircraft carrier.

Its biggest warship, aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya, is also undergoing refit at a Russian shipyard and three more Talwar-class stealth frigates are being built in Russia.

The Navy is also working on a programme for acquiring six submarines under Project-75 India and also plans to procure Landing Platform Decks (LPDs) in near future.

India Navy to induct new fleet tanker on Friday - Brahmand.com
 
HOW ABOUT THIS...:azn:

Indian Navy accelerates Nuclear Submarine programme

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New Delhi. The Indian Navy has begun construction of second and third of its nuclear submarines, speeding up the indigenous underwater capability programme.


According to well placed sources, while work on Arihant, the first nuclear submarine that was launched in 2010, was going on as scheduled, construction of the hull and sub components of the remaining two submarines was also underway. Considerable experience has been built from the development of Arihant, and the successive two submarines would be successively more potent with more power and punch.

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The Indian Navy also hopes to get the nuclear powered K-152 Nerpa from Russia around March 2011, and that would help Indian officers and seamen in gaining renewed experience in operating nuclear vessels. Indian crews are already training on board the vessel, an Akula-II class 12,000 tonne submarine.

Russia, as part of the Soviet Union, had given the first nuclear vessel to India in the late 1980s on a 10-year lease, but whatever experience Indian sailors got on operating it was lost as most of them have retired and the programme was not renewed.

There was no official confirmation on what is happening on building the nuclear submarine capability, but Chief of Naval Staff Admiral Nirmal Verma, told newsmen on his Navy Day press conference that the Naval Headquarters was aware that the Navy’s submarine fleet was getting old and required a renewed effort to build an honourable number of both nuclear and conventional submarines.

Arihant itself is due to be commissioned in 2012.

Naval sources indicated that some of the Indian warships could be equipped with nuclear arms as part of India’s No-First-Use-But-Massive-Retaliation Policy.

“We have Arihant. It is there. We have a triad in place now, but we have to use it as effectively as possible. We will have Arihant going within two years. There is progress in the project, despite some initial hiccups,” the Naval Chief said without giving any details.

Self reliance through indigenization is absolutely essential, he significantly stressed.

It may be noted that in the coming years, the Indian Navy’s submarine fleet could come down to as low as only eight submarines, from its existing strength of 15. And these are also old despite some periodic upgrades. The Navy has 10 Soviet vintage Kilo class submarines and four German HDWs. The 15th is a very old Foxtrot class, and set to be decommissioned.

Responding to a question by India Strategic, he observed: “There was a downward trend because of the gap that took place. For 17 years, we didn’t commission any indigenous submarine. That is why this gap took place.”

Conceding that there was a delay in the Scorpene programme, Admiral Verma said that it was now on track.
The French DCNS has reportedly offered two more submarines to make up for the depletion in addition to the six Scorpenes it plans to deliver from 2014 onwards. The Scorpenes are being build at the state-run Mazagon Docks Ltd. (MDL).

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Admiral Verma said that the emphasis was on strengthening all the dimensions, and with data links and indigenous combat management systems, be they surface, sub-surface and air. And that the Navy had also decided to order four more Boeing P8-I maritime reconnaissance and anti-ubmarine warfare aircraft from the United States. The maritime and coastal surveillance and protection was of paramount interest so as to prevent a repeat of 26/11/2008 terror attacks by Pakistani saboteurs.

The Navy and Indian Coast Guard (ICG) are going to use a number of networked aircraft and other assets to monitor the seas, and the Navy is also acquiring Medium Range Maritime Reconnaissance (MRMR) aircraft to further augment its surveillance capabilities.

The first P8-I, the metal for which has already been cut at Boeing’s Seattle factory, is due for delivery in January 2013, around the time this hi-tech aircraft is also delivered to the US Navy. Admiral Verma and a high level visited the US recently and he said he was happy that the production of this “extremely modern and capable aircraft” was on track.

One good thing about the Indian Navy, he pointed out, was its capacity to design its warships, and integrate them with state-of-the-art sensors. All future development programmes are aimed at inducting the highest available levels of technology into the indigenous military industrial stream.

He reminded that the Navy Day is marked to commemorate the daring and innovative actions taken by our Navy during the 1971 conflict that helped contribute to India’s resounding victory. The Navy Day is an occasion to remember our war heroes and rededicate ourselves to the service of the nation. Indeed, the theme of this Navy Week, ‘Glorious Wake, Vibrant Future’, reflects this very sentiment.

Admiral Verma said that over the past year, the Indian Navy had maintained a high tempo of operations. “Our ships, submarines and aircraft have conducted sustained operations towards safeguarding our maritime interests. We have operated in tandem with navies of friendly nations in the form of naval exercises, as well as cooperative security initiatives in support of our foreign policy. We have consolidated our coastal security organisation and infrastructure. In addition, we have moved steadily forward in our quest for greater indigenisation of our equipment along with nurturing of our human resources.”

Elaborating, he pointed out, There were 36 ships and submarines on order in various Indian shipyards now, and largely on-track.

The construction of the first Indigenous Aircraft Carrier at Kochi was progressing satisfactorily, though with some initial hiccups, and the refurbishment of Vikramaditya – aka Gorshkov – in Russia was doing well.

Russian sources told India Strategic that work on Gorshkov was at a satisfactory pace and the ship was due for delivery before the Navy Day in December 2012 under the Russian government’s sovereign guarantee. Indian officers and crew are supervising and training on it.

Admiral Verma said that while the Navy’s first stealth frigate INS Shivalik was already commissioned, two more ships of the same class were on the anvil.

Then, three Kolkatta class Destroyers, four advanced anti-submarine corvettes, four offshore patrol vessels (OPVs), and a second sailing ship, were in various stages of construction.

In addition, five more OPVs, two Cadets Training Ships had been ordered from private shipyards, while the Government had also sanctioned four modern Landing Platforms Docks (LPDs) and a second line of six advanced submarines under Project 75 with high ToT levels. Apparently, the Navy is happy with INS Jalashwa, the decommissioned LPD USS Trenton that it bought for a pittance from the US in 2007 for amphibious role concepts.

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The second line of submarines will have higher levels of underwater capability with Air Independent Propulsion (AIP).

There are also three follow-on ships of the Talwar class from Russia and two replenishment tankers from Italy, both due shortly.

Admiral Verma said that Mid-life Upgrades (MLUs) on 13 Rajput (erstwhile Kashin) and Godavari Class were also being conducted to significantly modernise them as 21st Century combatants.

As for naval aviation, Admiral Verma said that while the naval variant of the indigenous Light Combat Aircraft was progressing, the Navy was training on the six carrier capable Mig 29Ks it had received from Russia at INS Hansa in Goa. A total of 16 plus 29 of these aircraft had been ordered.

It may be noted that the Navy is also looking for bigger aircraft carriers, of 60,000 tonnes plus, and it is possible that it would build them with foreign collaboration. Indigenous capability though is the key.

These carriers would launch the aircraft by catapults and land them by arrestor wires. Some presentations are reported to have been made by US companies in this regard, as only they have the technology.

There was emphasis on strengthening the helicopter fleet also.

Admiral Verma observed that the Navy was stepping up the technological training facilities for its officers as a high degree of competence was needed in operating modern warfare assets. This would enable the officers and men to move to civilian assignments also after retirement.

..:: India Strategic ::. Indian Navy: Indian Navy accelerates Nuclear Submarine programme
 
The Pakistan Navy is reportedly negotiating for the purchase of 3 Type 214 submarines, all of which to be built in Pakistan. During the IDEAS 2008 exhibition, the HDW chief Walter Freitag told “The commercial contract has been finalised up to 95 per cent,” he said. The first submarine would be delivered to the Pakistan Navy in 64 months after signing of the contract while the rest would be completed successively in 12 months.[5][6]
In November of 2008, Pakistan signed a contract for three Type 214 submarines at a cost of $1 Billion. The Type 214 submarines will be built with German help at Karachi Naval Engineering Works

Why Indian navy spent $11 Billion for same class submarine.
 
This is a good news. As now Mazgaon docks have ToT, so should not take more time to build these subs. I hope they should have AIP installed on these new 3 subs along with last 2 of the original 6 subs contracted.
 
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