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[marcos98]

Ins Viraat and CDG at Goa , Jan 9:

YouTube - French Aircraft Carrier Charles de Gaulle in Goa India

 

[sudhir007]

Interim stay on sale of flats in Worli bldg near naval base - Oneindia News

The Bombay High Court today orderedan interim stay on further sale of flats and induction ofoccupants in an 18-storey building in Central Mumbai hereafter the Indian Navy opposed the high rise due to its closeproximity to a naval base.

Buzz up!
The Navy had approached the High Court in October 2010seeking demolition of the ''Harsiddhi'' building in Worli as ithad not obtained the requisite ''No Objection Certificate''(NOC) from western naval authorities before construction.


"The building is just 57 meters from the naval base INSTrata, a portion of which has sensitive missiles and launcherskept. According to rules laid down by the state government, aNOC has to be procured from the Navy for any constructionwithin 300 meters of the base," said Advocate Dinesh Shah,appearing for Navy.

A division bench of Justices D K Deshmukh and N DDeshpande while granting an interim stay on further sale offlats in the building, directed the builder to submit a listof all the present occupants of the high rise.

Apart from Harsiddhi, a seven-storey building under theSlum Rehabilitation Act (SRA) Scheme has also been constructedin the vicinity.

"In September 2008, the Urban Development Department hadissued letter to SRA directing them to issue stop work notice.

Even after SRA issued the notice a month later, constructiondid not stop," the petition states.

Navy has further alleged in its petition that thebuilders Rajshree Constructions and the developers PrithviCorporation are in connivance with the SRA and in conjunctionwith some powerful persons who are able to exert undueinfluence on SRA authorities.

"The naval base INS Trata houses missiles and launchers.

Sensitive activities pertaining to security and defence of thecountry is carried out there," the petition states.

It further states that the high rise has an unrestrictedview of the naval base and its activities which is causinghindrance.

The Indian Navy had procured the land from the Army in1964. The next hearing is scheduled after two weeks.

 

[sancho]

This point is valid. Could there be a possibility to make it a twin engine fighter and then increase the payload. I dont know honestly coz if they do it, with AESA and pods it will be an even killer machine.....but then it wont be called a light combat fighter. But we have a base to do so...

That's what they plan with AMCA, but with the addition of stealth and other 5. gen features, which they don't have yet.
For IN, naval Migs, Rafale/SH and the naval FGFA should be the best choice. NLCA is simply not capable enough and NAMCA will not come before 2025.

 

[SpArK]

Naval Aeronautical Engineers Pass out​

Eleven officers, including two Coast Guard Officers passed out from Naval Institute of Aeronautical Technology (NIAT), Kochi after successful completion of the 52 week Aeronautical Specialisation Course. The Passing out Parade marking the culmination of the 52 week course was reviewed by Rear Admiral Sudarshan Shrikhande Chief of Staff, Southern Naval Command today at Naval Base. Lieutenant Commander Hariom Tyagi and Lieutenant Venkataraman were awarded the HAL trophy for standing first in the overall order of merit in Electrical and Engineering stream respectively. Lieutenant Commander Hariom Tyagi was also awarded the Director General Coast Guard Trophy for being adjudged as the best all round officer.

Rear Admiral Shrikhande, while congratulating the officers on their achievement, emphasised the need to continuously improve their professional knowledge through their service life to keep pace with the changing environment. The Admiral also reminded them that naval air power is dependent on superior maintenance philosophy and practices on ground. The trainee officers whose primary responsibility would be maintenance tasks of Navy’s aircraft, will now proceed for On Job Training on completion of which they would be awarded M Tech degrees by Cochin University of Science and Technology (CUSAT).

DPR

 

[angeldemon_007]

I know its old news but i came across one thing in this article

India wants to buy another four American Austin Class LPDs. Four years ago, India bought one of these recently retired, 17,000 ton, amphibious ships from the United States. At the time, the story was that the ship would be used as a disaster relief ship along India's enormous coastline. But once the Austin class ship arrived, and was renamed INS Jalashwa, the Indian navy was touting its capabilities as a warship. To the annoyance of many Indian politicians, the American LPD came with strings. India had to promise not to use the ship for offensive purposes. If another four are purchased, this restriction will probably have to be eliminated.

There were twelve Austin class ships built, and they entered service between 1965-71. Four are still in service. The Indians paid $50 million for the former USS Trenton, an LPD that entered service in 1971 and was decommissioned in 2007, and was shortly on its way to India.

This is a large ship, 184 meter (570 feet) long and with a flight deck that can hold half a dozen large helicopters, and support simultaneous landings and takeoffs. The well deck can hold up to 24 landing craft (like AAVs), or four lighter type boats, for transferring cargo and personnel. These ships require a crew of 420, and can carry up to 800 combat troops.

The Indians received four smaller landing craft, to operate from their new LPD, as part of the deal. The Indians added six UH-3 Sea King helicopters. The only weapons carried are four automatic cannon for stopping anti-ship missiles or small boats. India may mount similar weapons, as their LPD could also be used for military operations.

To build new, the Austin class ships would cost about a billion dollars each. The Indians can get another twenty years out of this ship, which means a fair price as a second hand ship would have been closer to $300 million. These ships cost the U.S. Navy about two million dollars a month to operate.

The U.S. and India are cooperating more these days, and offering surplus warships at bargain prices was seen as a good move. With China moving into the Indian ocean, via visits by warships and bases in Myanmar, the U.S. will probably go along with providing India with more of these ships.

I don't get it, i mean why india is going for an old desiggn??/ US has developed new design now they are phasing out Austin class and India wants to pay so much for a design of 60-70s. It looks like India is just giving this order for pleasing US. I think we should go for new and cheaper design. We should go to our friend France for Mistral class, even Russia has opted for this. People will counter that IN needs will be fulfilled by LPDs only, but India need arise because of Tsunami, where these ships could have done a lot. Mistal has a full fledged hospital inside it. I think Mistral will not only meet IN requirements but also exceed.

Russia will pay France 1.37 billion euros ($1.81 billion) for two Mistral-class assault warships that Moscow agreed to purchase from the NATO member last week, news reports said Dec. 30.
“The first ship will cost 720 million euros and the second 650 million euros,” the RIA Novosti news agencies cited a source close to the negotiations as saying.
The deal, which involves joint construction of the vessels, is the first sale to Russia of such naval high-tech by a NATO country.
It has been condemned by Alliance members from the three Baltic nations, with leaked cables showing that U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates also raised the issue while on a visit to Paris this year.
The helicopter carrier costs about 500 million euros ($650 million) and it was not immediately clear why Russia was paying a premium.
Moscow had sought to purchase the craft together with their sensitive equipment and the December 24 announcement in Paris made no mention of whether Russia had got its way.
The source close to the negotiation said Moscow was paying a higher price for the first craft because most of it would be produced in France, with Russia’s share in the project growing by the second vessel.
“If Russia’s share of construction on the first ship is 20 percent, it may reach up to 40 percent for the second ship,” the source told RIA Novosti.
The source said the third and fourth ships would be fully manufactured in Russia as per agreement, but gave no time frame of when the craft would be built.
A Mistral-class ship can carry up to 16 helicopters, four landing craft, 13 battle tanks, around 100 other vehicles and a 450-strong force. It has facilities for a full command staff and is equipped with a 69-bed hospital.

This is why i say, we don't know how to deal with the world. Does our navy aware of what is available in the global market ?/ We want to buy 4 warships in 4 billion $, we could very easily get to built Mistral in less than 4 billion $ in our shipyards because when Russia is getting this offer for just 2 warships, why not us ? Also we have a very good relationship with France.

Selecting Austin class would be the most foolish idea. I hope CAG releases a report quickly to open everybody's eye before the deal.

 

[angeldemon_007]

One of the sexiest design : Mistral Class Multi purpose Amphibious Warship.

A must watch video

 

[angeldemon_007]

What is going on with Arihant project ??/ When is the next submarine coming out ??/

 

[Archie]

What is going on with Arihant project ??/ When is the next submarine coming out ??/

Well as per recent info ,
INS Arihant has completed Harbour Trials and is now undergoing extended sea trials , It will begin Weapon's Trial in October , That means launching K15 Balistic Missiles and Torpedos
With Comissioning set for either December 4 2011 or 26 Jan 2012

The Hull of Second Sub was completed in June last year and it has been handed over to Ship Building Center Vishakhapatnam for System integrations

As per Wiki hull of 3rd submarine is nearing completion and would be handed over to SSC by September

In related Info MOD has decided to down size Arihant class from 6 Subs comprising 3 SSBN + 3 SSN to 4 SSBN
MOD wants a new design for a class of 4 SSN to complement 4 SSBN
Navy had Requested for 6 SSN but they have been given approval for 4 SSN
With construction Work begining in 2016 after the last of Arihant class is launched
The navy is looking at Russian Akula II class SSN as design inspiration for its new SSN , similar to as Akula I was inspiration for Arihant class
Since India is already geting 1-2 Akula II on 10 yr lease , you wont be surprised if by the time we return them, unless Navy decides to keep them for another 10 Yrs,
We might have similar attack subs ourselve

 

[angeldemon_007]

@ Archie
Any official source for this info ??/

 

[Archie]

@ Archie
Any official source for this info ??/

Dude most of my info is from Wikipedia only , while some are based on personal interaction with people in Navy and MOD

 

[angeldemon_007]

Dude most of my info is from Wikipedia only

Yeah i have also read that, 2 were supposed to be launched in 2010 and the last one in 2011. But i never heard any news of that.

When the first one was launched in 2009, it was everywhere in the news but i haven't heard anything according to the wiki 2011, will see the launch of last sub in Arihant class.

I just wanna know about revised dates.

 

[satishkumarcsc]

Yeah i have also read that, 2 were supposed to be launched in 2010 and the last one in 2011. But i never heard any news of that.

When the first one was launched in 2009, it was everywhere in the news but i haven't heard anything according to the wiki 2011, will see the launch of last sub in Arihant class.

I just wanna know about revised dates.

Man getting info about subs is very difficult. No navy talks much about it. That i why we dont even know the full picture of the scorpion delay or anything about the subs.

 

[Archie]

Yeah i have also read that, 2 were supposed to be launched in 2010 and the last one in 2011. But i never heard any news of that.

When the first one was launched in 2009, it was everywhere in the news but i haven't heard anything according to the wiki 2011, will see the launch of last sub in Arihant class.

I just wanna know about revised dates.

Well one thing is true that L&T completed the Hull of 2nd sub last year only and it has been handed over to SSC , Vizag
Now navy is quite secretive about the sub program , more than it is about IAC Program
U must know that a ship is not launched when the hull is complete but after some sub systems are complete then it is launched , when u look at the fact that Hull of INS Arihant was complete in late 2007 ,while it was launched in mid 2009 after more than 18 months , so my guess is that we should expect 2nd sub to launch by sept-oct 2011
with commission in late 2013 or early 2014 , 2 yrs after INS Arihant

3rd Sub is expected to launch in yr 2013 to be commission in 2015 ,

4th sub will be launched in 2016 , with commission in 2018 ,
The delay in 4th sub is becoz approval for this sub was given late ie it was not part of original MOD plan which called for 3 SSBN costing a total of Rs 12000 cr
Current Plan calls for 2 SSBN weighing 6500 ton , followed by 2 SSBN weighing 7000 SSBN capable of carrying 8 K-x Missiles

These are 2 be followed by 4 SSN based on Akula II Design with construction between 2016-2027

 

[angeldemon_007]

So in all 8 nuke sub ??/

 

[Archie]

So in all 8 nuke sub ??/

Well ,
The Navy wanted 10 Nuclear Subs ie 4 SSBN + 6 SSN
But MOD has only given the go ahead for 8 N Subs
Earlier MOD had decided on 6 Subs , 3 SSBN and 3 SSN , all of them based on Arihant Class Design , But now it has changed its mind

However in Indian Parlance Nuclear attack subs will only be used as part of CBG , they will not be used for attacking Surface ships , that task will be carried out by 12 Diesel Electric Subs which India will operate alongside Nuclear Subs

The Reason why Indian Navy had Requested for 4 SSBN was becoz it wants to ensure that 2 Subs arned with N Tiped Ballistic Missiles remain at sea at all time , this will ensure Survivability of 24-32 Nuclear War Head at time of a first Nuclear attack

Navy had also Requested for 6 SSN so as to ensure that 2 Subs will be there to provide escort to CBGs and 2 Subs remain for attacking Surface ships or Carrying out Conventional Land Attack Missions using Nirbhay
This was requested to ensure that 4 out of 6 SSN remain at sea at all time
However this request was not accepted by MOD which decided that SSN Fleet will only operate as part of Carrier Escort , while land attack missions would be carried out by Destroyers , Hence MOD decided to give go ahead for only 4 SSN which will ensure 2-3 SSN remain at sea at all time to provide Escort for 2 CBG deployed by India