Indian Navy concerned over Bangladesh's decision to buy two submarines from China

[UKBengali]

you missed the point..we're not saying IOR is India's property,but our bases are ready to face any challenge.IOR is international water,so anybody can venture on it.but if it bears any threat,our assets can neutralize it.as far as Mallacca Strait is the topic,we're sitting right in the mouth of the choke point.as far as your route,they've to face Air Attacks from A&N before reaching within 1000km of Indian shores.

How many aircraft will be based in Andaman and Nicobar?

When China feels confident to send a CBG to the Indian Ocean(sometime in next decade), you are looking at around 70-80 aircraft on board the carrier and the SAMs on around 2 Type-55 Cruisers and 2 Type-052D destroyers. Even 100 aircraft would not be enough to take this force on!

 

[Mitro]

Congratulation Bangladesh for selecting CHinese sub and indian should be very proud of spliting one monster in to two and they are so proud of their achivement.

if Bangladesh expand their navy with good frigate and Submarine and allowing china to use its base then india will be in trouble.

India should not interfere with other nation policy and should take care of its population and keep trust in her armforces.

 

[livingdead]

Congratulation Bangladesh for selecting CHinese sub and indian should be very proud of spliting one monster in to two and they are so proud of their achivement.

if Bangladesh expand their navy with good frigate and Submarine and allowing china to use its base then india will be in trouble.

and they will keep on spending more and more money in navy and poor people will go hungry and the defacation population will keep on increasing.

India should not interfere with other nation policy and should take care of its population and keep trust in her armforces.

if India finds it too expensive to continue arm's race, we will simply become a closer ally of US (like we were of soviets). Every country influences other and interferes in other country.
India is not doing anything special. Other countries interfere in our matters and its quite normal in real politics.

 

[GR!FF!N]

How many aircraft will be based in Andaman and Nicobar?
When China feels confident to send a CBG to the Indian Ocean(sometime in next decade), you are looking at around 70-80 aircraft on board the carrier and the SAMs on around 2 Type-55 Cruisers and 2 Type-052D destroyers. Even 100 aircraft would not be enough to take this force on!

A CBG with 100 aircrafts???you mean Super Carrier??China doesn't operate them..LOLOLOLOL..its only USA.we don't need hundreds of aircrafts to sink a CBG..its not WW II anymore.few dozens of aircraft with ASHM is more than enough to sink entire CBG from 300 km(using Brahmos or similar supersonic cruise missiles),if not more..by the way,do you even know the range of a Su-30MKI???its massive 3000 km.using 2 mid air refuels,and it flies to USA without stopping,and if you don't know,its other side of the world.as for A&N Airbase,there is 2,while other 9 bases are southern portion of India which gives protection to IOR.as for Naval AIr base,we've INS Baaz there while some additional bases under construction.so,even if you count the number of fighter aircrafts these bases can hold,its over 7-8 divisions atleast,with all the other aircrafts like AWACS and Refuellers needed to conduct an operation.as now India is changing its Air Doctrine,if needed,aircrafts even from Rajasthan can be swing to action to conduct air raid to IOR and back.

now,you'll ask that how so few aircrafts can sink a CBG even with 100 aircrafts(even if China acquire them within few decades).there is restriction that how many number of aircrafts you can deploy in some time frame and how many you can retrieve them.its a very complex operation.even if you can have hundreds(hypothetically),but you can only deploy less than a dozen for air defence as there is no way you can refuel them without landing,and these aircrafts have fuel restriction,that means they can't carry huge amount of fuels and armaments at the same time.land based aircrafts doesn't have these kind of restrictions.


seriously,you should study about operations that can be conducted against CBG before fantasizing about it.but beware,there are only handful missions conducted against CBG in the last 60 years as only handful countries operate it.

Congratulation Bangladesh for selecting CHinese sub and indian should be very proud of spliting one monster in to two and they are so proud of their achivement.
if Bangladesh expand their navy with good frigate and Submarine and allowing china to use its base then india will be in trouble.
and they will keep on spending more and more money in navy and poor people will go hungry and the defacation population will keep on increasing.
India should not interfere with other nation policy and should take care of its population and keep trust in her armforces.

I told you few months ago to not to spew venom against India using false flag,but you wouldn't listen,do you??should I have to bash you again just like I bashed you in "Cold Start" thread???

 

[UKBengali]

A CBG with 100 aircrafts???you mean Super Carrier??China doesn't operate them..LOLOLOLOL..its only USA.we don't need hundreds of aircrafts to sink a CBG..its not WW II anymore.few dozens of aircraft with ASHM is more than enough to sink entire CBG from 300 km(using Brahmos or similar supersonic cruise missiles),if not more..by the way,do you even know the range of a Su-30MKI???its massive 3000 km.using 2 mid air refuels,and it flies to USA without stopping,and if you don't know,its other side of the world.as for A&N Airbase,there is 2,while other 9 bases are southern portion of India which gives protection to IOR.as for Naval AIr base,we've INS Baaz there while some additional bases under construction.so,even if you count the number of fighter aircrafts these bases can hold,its over 7-8 divisions atleast,with all the other aircrafts like AWACS and Refuellers needed to conduct an operation.as now India is changing its Air Doctrine,if needed,aircrafts even from Rajasthan can be swing to action to conduct air raid to IOR and back.

LOL - Aircraft coming from Rajastan? Who will defend against Pakistan and China in the North then?!

Su-30MKIs won't be free to launch Brahmos missiles as they will be detected by carrier AWACs and the carrier's many dozens of fighters will be engaging them hundreds of kms from the carrier anyway.

The whole idea of a single Chinese carrier is not really realistic anyway and the chances are that 2 carriers will be sent and that will increase the number of carried aircraft to 150. Add in the around 4 Type-55 cruisers and 4 Type-052D destroyers, India will need to throw hundreds of its best aircraft at this group to have a realistic chance of causing damage.

now,you'll ask that how so few aircrafts can sink a CBG even with 100 aircrafts(even if China acquire them within few decades).there is restriction that how many number of aircrafts you can deploy in some time frame and how many you can retrieve them.its a very complex operation.even if you can have hundreds(hypothetically),but you can only deploy less than a dozen for air defence as there is no way you can refuel them without landing,and these aircrafts have fuel restriction,that means they can't carry huge amount of fuels and armaments at the same time.land based aircrafts doesn't have these kind of restrictions.

That is a load of nonsense.

The US super-carriers can launch many dozens of aircraft into the air within 10 mins.

They have the ability to launch 4 aircraft a minute and recover and launch aircraft simultaneously as well.

Fuel and weapon restrictions do not apply to a carrier with catapults. A fully fuelled J-15 can stay on CAP within a 100km of it's carrier for 4-5 hours.

 

[GR!FF!N]

LOL - Aircraft coming from Rajastan? Who will defend against Pakistan and China in the North then?!
Su-30MKIs won't be free to launch Brahmos missiles as they will be detected by carrier AWACs and the carrier's many dozens of fighters will be engaging them hundreds of kms from the carrier anyway.
The whole idea of a single Chinese carrier is not really realistic anyway and the chances are that 2 carriers will be sent and that will increase the number of carried aircraft to 150. Add in the around 4 Type-55 cruisers and 4 Type-052D destroyers, India will need to throw hundreds of its best aircraft at this group to have a realistic chance of causing damage.

again wrong..Chinese don't have any Carrier borne AWACS till now,and they couldn't possibly have one until they build one Catobar AC.and you're taking the scenario too seriously.as I said,even with 2 Super Carriers,only portion of aircrafts can be deployed,bast case is around 2 dozen fighters will screen the air.so 100??hell no.but then again,its futile to make you understand how Carriers actually work.as for ASHM,you should study that how actually ASHM strike is going to be carried out,unless it'd be hard to think how this kind of strikes work.

That is a load of nonsense.
The US super-carriers can launch many dozens of aircraft into the air within 10 mins.
They have the ability to launch 4 aircraft a minute and recover and launch aircraft simultaneously as well.
Fuel and weapon restrictions do not apply to a carrier with catapults. A fully fuelled J-15 can stay on CAP within a 100km of it's carrier for 4-5 hours.

who told you that US carriers can launch dozens of fighters within 10 minutes.show a single link.even previous gen carriers,where aircrafts took off unassisted,even they couldn't launch so many.you're too naive to make any argument at all.please don't quote me until you study about it,as for you,carrier is a multiple runway civilian airport like Chicago,which it is not.it can launch or retrieve 1 aircraft only within few minutes(if catapult),and not both.they bring 2-3 aircraft at a time(based on number of lifts there),launch it within say 10-15 minutes,based on various parameters,then again bring handful of aircraft or retrieve one.if retrieved,they send it below using the same lift and so on..China doesn't operate one Catobar type AC,so until then,they couldn't operate J-15 using full weapons/fuel load.let them build one first before making assumption.

you don't know how complex the carrier operation is,nor you know how late of few seconds to launch aircraft can be resulted to ultimate annihilation.one suggestion,please watch movie "Midway" and study Battle of Midway minutely before making further comments.because,you're making comments on assumption while I'm making comment on facts.in that movie,you'll see how actually a carrier operates,and how a single error can cost you carriers.you may not know,but Japan lost 3 carriers in that battle within minutes.that shows how vulnerable a carrier truly is,even with escort aircraft.

you may not know,but our previous AC INS Vikrant was a Catobar aircraft carrier.so we do know how they have to operate.

 

[UKBengali]

who told you that US carriers can launch dozens of fighters within 10 minutes.show a single link.
can launch or retrieve 1 aircraft only within few minutes(if catapult),and not both

Federation of American Scientists :: Aircraft Carriers

"From its four catapults, an aircraft carrier can launch an aircraft every 20 seconds"

That is 3 a minute sustained and 4 every minute as a surge

10 minutes times 3 makes 30 aircraft.

"The flight deck crew can launch two aircraft and land one every 37 seconds in daylight, and one per minute at night"

Nimitz class carriers have angled flight decks to allow simultaneous launch and recovery of aircraft. This makes the carrier have two runways in effect - one for launch and the other for recovery.

If you are not prepared to accept this link as proof then there is no point going on with you.

@gambit - can you confirm these numbers?

 

[danger007]

How many aircraft will be based in Andaman and Nicobar?

When China feels confident to send a CBG to the Indian Ocean(sometime in next decade), you are looking at around 70-80 aircraft on board the carrier and the SAMs on around 2 Type-55 Cruisers and 2 Type-052D destroyers. Even 100 aircraft would not be enough to take this force on!

really??? a CBG comprising 70 to 80 aircraft??? chinese ain't going for that much big super carriers like US not before 2020...it will take time to them to learn things out... AC is not like sub's destroyers... why do you think 100 air craft wouldn't be enough to take that force... Taking on IN in it's own backyard is not kids play(leave USN aside)

 

[UKBengali]

really??? a CBG comprising 70 to 80 aircraft??? chinese ain't going for that much big super carriers like US not before 2020...it will take time to them to learn things out... AC is not like sub's destroyers... why do you think 100 air craft wouldn't be enough to take that force... Taking on IN in it's own backyard is not kids play(leave USN aside)

That is why I said sometime in the 2020s

China is building a Navy that will be able to challenge the US in the Western Pacific by 2030 and nothing short of massive 80-100,000 tonne nuclear super-carriers in the next decade will do.

100 aircraft against a carrier with 70-80 aircraft and accompanied by 2 Type-55 cruisers and 2 Type-052D destroyers? The ships by themselves will be able to handle at least 50 targets simultaneously. There is little chance of penetrating the carrier's fighter protection and the SAMs of the escorts with only 100 aircraft.

 

[danger007]

To the other members(Indian) please stop responding to this kid... purely immature argument...it just time waste.. according to him... dozens of jets chasing one MKI.... what about other 271 MKI??? by the time we might get 5th gen Jets.... he just fantasizing him self..

 

[UKBengali]

To the other members(Indian) please stop responding to this kid... purely immature argument...it just time waste.. according to him... dozens of jets chasing one MKI.... what about other 271 MKI??? by the time we might get 5th gen Jets.... he just fantasizing him self..

 

[Shinigami]

To the other members(Indian) please stop responding to this kid... purely immature argument...it just time waste.. according to him... dozens of jets chasing one MKI.... what about other 271 MKI??? by the time we might get 5th gen Jets.... he just fantasizing him self..

did you see the stuff he writes about china? for a minute i thought he was more than a cheerleader, maybe a 50 cent warrior . lets hope he is just brain damaged

 

[Pakistanisage]

Its the right of every nation to secure their land, air and sea assets.

BD can arm themselves to the teeth...Its well within their right and it should be none of our business. We just need to make sure that our capabilities outmatch theirs to prevent an unlikely scenario of misadventure...

As the saying goes..."Khud ko kar buland itna........"

See, India thinks of BD as its backwater COLONY that it Created.

They don't look at BD as a Sovereign Nation with RIGHTS.

 

[GR!FF!N]

Federation of American Scientists :: Aircraft Carriers

"From its four catapults, an aircraft carrier can launch an aircraft every 20 seconds"

That is 3 a minute sustained and 4 every minute as a surge

10 minutes times 3 makes 30 aircraft.

"The flight deck crew can launch two aircraft and land one every 37 seconds in daylight, and one per minute at night"

Nimitz class carriers have angled flight decks to allow simultaneous launch and recovery of aircraft. This makes the carrier have two runways in effect - one for launch and the other for recovery.

If you are not prepared to accept this link as proof then there is no point going on with you.

@gambit - can you confirm these numbers?

ever heard about Alert 5 or Alert 15???that means an aircraft can be launched within 5 minutes and 15 minutes accordingly.you're only counting on how much time it needs to just launch it,not how much time it needs to bring an Aircraft from Aircraft Bay to the top,time to check the jet,time to bring the jet to the catapult and many other parameters that decides when a jet will be launched.watch the videos below,a supercarrier in action.a catapult launch an aircraft to air within 3 seconds.but it take lot more to bring them up,check,get clearance from authority etc etc.

 

[帅的一匹]

That is why I said sometime in the 2020s

China is building a Navy that will be able to challenge the US in the Western Pacific by 2030 and nothing short of massive 80-100,000 tonne nuclear super-carriers in the next decade will do.

100 aircraft against a carrier with 70-80 aircraft and accompanied by 2 Type-55 cruisers and 2 Type-052D destroyers? The ships by themselves will be able to handle at least 50 targets simultaneously. There is little chance of penetrating the carrier's fighter protection and the SAMs of the escorts with only 100 aircraft.

You are totally right my brother, India can't do nothing to harm our CBG.