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Indian Navy and its 5th Gen Fighter jet dilemma

Congrats India and Good Luck :) :-) :coffee: But hope we both Pakistan and India never use these weapons against each other...
mai sadke is masoomiat pe bhai jaan .... kasam se :yes4:

but the fact remain pakistan unlike india had always used any opportunity to use its latest wepons on india so we cant say we wont be obliged to use owr wepons on your nation :secret:

now as for fifth gen naval fighter for IN well right now their is no use as pakistan has non existent naval air arm + we have at least 10 squads of various land based fighter squads for western theater but real concersn is agressive chinese designs in indian ocean but then again we can easily put 2 squads of FGFA on A&B islands and it will take care of anything from mallacca straits to coco islands to bay of bengal + we already have 45 Mig29Ks and two ACs while third is in final stages of refitting

but even if we go for neuclear AC with EMALS it will be F35 & E2D/E on it rest you can spaculate yourself
 
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Im just being logical, any one with a brain knows war isnt and shouldnt be the first priority...it should be peace.
Soon you will be called Indian and will be banned later.
 
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mai sadke is masoomiat pe bhai jaan .... kasam se :yes4:

but the fact remain pakistan unlike india had always used any opportunity to use its latest wepons on india so we cant say we wont be obliged to use owr wepons on your nation :secret:

now as for fifth gen naval fighter for IN well right now their is no use as pakistan has non existent naval air arm + we have at least 10 squads of various land based fighter squads for western theater but real concersn is agressive chinese designs in indian ocean but then again we can easily put 2 squads of FGFA on A&B islands and it will take care of anything from mallacca straits to coco islands to bay of bengal + we already have 45 Mig29Ks and two ACs while third is in final stages of refitting

but even if we go for neuclear AC with EMALS it will be F35 & E2D/E on it rest you can spaculate yourself
"What ever floats your boat"
 
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Just get 100 F-35 and be done with this drama. We can station them in INS-Vishal and fly them from Andaman.
 
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Who cares...It wont change the fact that im a Proud and Sensible Pakistani... :-) :pakistan: :coffee:


"It was a simple quote" :secret:
respect sir..
Peace should be be the first option, it should be the hundredth option, it should be the thousandth option....
War only brings misery...does not matter how you we glorify it
 
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respect sir..
Peace should be be the first option, it should be the hundredth option, it should be the thousandth option....
War only brings misery...does not matter how you we glorify it
Its not we cant change but what we need is to think that what we need to do by learning from our past and moving towards future...Europe saw many deadly wars but they learnt that war is not a choice but peace...Pakistan and India both have seen it enough! Or do they want to see more? My Answer would be a simple No!
 
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Questions...

What is the purpose of Carrier in Indian Navy ?

Indian Navy can't intrude into Asia Pacific Cost where huge Chinese Military Might stationed.
India has long border with China + Already current and further close border bases option
For China, Indian Aircraft Carrier is easy target and which is damn big loss for any navy if their Carrier Sunk along with other protecting frigates/destroyers etc
Nor India has any capability or interested IMO to move into Gulf or control International Sea (s) which are highly impossible as well.

So what is the purpose of spending billions of $$ on Aircraft carriers rather designed powerful structural bases inside mountains (loong border with China).
Because India is a maritime nation more so than China since its surrounded by the ocean on 3 sides with India sticking out a like an arrow. The Indian Ocean is the busiest Ocean in the world with goods reaching a a massive continent Africa to East Asia and beyond. The carriers are for India in the Indian ocean. India doesn't need to look far for a foot in east asia since China has a lot of stern and aggravated neighbours.
The Indian Navy is just showing the obvious that India is now more than ever relent on trade outside the subcontinent.
 
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Indian Navy and its 5th Gen Fighter jet dilemma
Published July 24, 2015 | By admin
SOURCE: IDRW NEWS NETWORK (INN)

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India is finally showing some urgency in developing Second indigenous aircraft carrier-II (IAC-II) due to rising Chinese threat in the Indian Ocean. Carrier which will be named “INS Vishal” will have proposed displacement of 65,000 ton, Once ready INS Vishal will be largest aircraft carrier operated by Indian Navy and Biggest warship ever constructed in Indian Shipyards.

While Navy is busy studying and finalizing specifics like the exact tonnage, the type of propulsion as well as other parameters for the new aircraft carrier, there also is Silent debates happening among Senior ranked Naval Aviators about possible aircrafts which will serve on-board new aircraft carrier when it’s ready.

Bigger size will allow Navy to accommodate AEW (airborne early-warning) aircrafts and Mid-Air Refueling Tankers which it could not accommodate on its other Two aircraft carrier INS Vikrant and INS Vikramaditya, but looking at the revealed specification of INS Vishal, it is also not possible to operate any newer heavier and bigger fighter jet then Mig-29K currently operated by Indian Navy.

idrw.org in its previous reports had revealed how Navy wants to build a Mini-Air force with a fleet of 150+ fighter jets which can be served from all three aircraft carriers and also from its Land-based Naval Airbase.

Indian Navy already operates 33 Mig-29K and has placed orders for 45 Mig-29K delivery of which will be completed by 2016. Navy also has placed orders for 8 N-LCA MK-1 aircrafts and intends to purchase at least 46 N-LCA Mk.2.

Which still leaves room for few more aircrafts which might be needed. According to Sources close to idrw.org, HAL has asked Indian Navy to double its order for N-LCA Mk.2 when aircraft is ready to hit production but Indian Navy for long also has been interested in acquiring Naval 5th Generation fighter jet and in past have been briefed by Lockheed martin on F-35B short takeoff/vertical landing (STOVL) variant and F-35C carrier variant (CV) on possible sale to Indian Navy.

When contacted Serving Naval Aviator of Indian Navy confirmed that Indian Navy still eyes 5th Generation aircrafts for its Aircraft carrier and will take an appropriate call in near future since INS Vishal is still decade away from becoming a reality .

While Americans are not the only contenders, Russians too are working on Naval variant of Pak-fa and it was rather indirectly confirmed when Russian showcased Small Scale model of Future aircraft carrier with Naval variants of Pak-fa in its flight deck . While India is still negotiating with Russians on development of FGFA aircraft based on Pak-fa Stealth aircraft for Indian Air force, Russians have told Indian Naval counterparts that Pak-fa which is slightly bigger then Mig-29K, in its Naval avatar will take up same space in an enclosed hangar of an aircraft carrier that of a Mig-29K.

A third option for Indian Navy will be to join India’s efforts to indigenously develop first 5th generation Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) fighter jet. Navy is still not expressed its mind on whether it will be officially joining the Program to develop Naval-AMCA, but AMCA which is a Medium category aircraft is very similar to Mig-29K in Size and Expertise gained in development of N-LCA Mk2 will come handy in developing Naval variant which will be able to serve on board INS Vishal but Navy will have to decide at earliest to avoid any delays in the program.

Two aircraft carrier INS Vikrant and INS Vikramaditya, but looking at the revealed specification of INS Vishal, it is also not possible to operate any newer heavier and bigger fighter jet then Mig-29K currently operated by Indian Navy.

If that's true N AMCA or Rafale M seems logical choice.
 
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Both are still killing each other at the border. So ...

I admire your word you used "Both" and your right both are killing each other and no ones gonna accept their mistake...But one should not give up hope :-)
 
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It's so funny India always tries to make it out as if there is a real rivalry between them and China. India are not even in the same ballpark as China, militarily, because they are still decades behind in R&D and manufacturing infrastructure, and these things take a long, long time to develop. While India make small gestures (mostly only talk) at indigenization, everything that is significant, and technologically advanced, is built and designed outside of India and indigenous, in Indian terms, means assembling expensive foreign components in India. Even with ToT, India doesn't have the know-how or capabilities to produce the very advanced weapons systems. Their LCA and Tejas project shows how making even a basic small fighter jet, with a lot of foreign help, is overwhelming for them. India is, for the foreseeable future, reliant on foreign technological know-how and will have to pay a steep premium for it and are at the mercy of foreigner's slow timetable for delivery.

India may have grandiose illusions that it is some military power to rival the likes of China but the reality is that it's still just a technologically-backwards client state, reliant on technology from Western nations and Russia. Indians can ridicule China for their underhanded ways of obtaining technology and expertise, but China is now well on its way to being self-reliant in every aspect of military technology and improving at an exponential rate.

Instead of daydreaming they are in a make-believe strategic rivalry with China, India should focus on the basics of their economy, manufacturing and R&D infrastructure.
 
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Instead of daydreaming they are in a make-believe strategic rivalry with China, India should focus on the basics of their economy, manufacturing and R&D infrastructure.

Twenty Years back same words were being used by Western Powers for China. But Chinese ignored those lunatics and worked hard to achieve their current global position.:china:

Therefore India will ignore a lunatic like you. :crazy:
 
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