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Indian Navy all set to raise a new MiG 29K squadron on the Eastern Front!

:rolleyes: But with a bias for the navy and that makes you mix up things here. The strategic growth of IN has nothing to do with the importance of the forces and whenever there is a cut necessary in the defence budget (or even just a modification like it was done now), the IN will always be the first to be hit, which shows where the importance lies.
However, none of that will get IN any closer to use it's fighters in any shore based roles, since budget is not the issue.

Nothing to with any biases; sancho miyan....... :)
Even the IAF fought tooth and nail to hold onto air assets in the past right upto just yesterday (in a manner of speaking) when ACM Browne fought his battles with MoD. And saw some of his prized toys going away to the IA.
Just as ACM Moolgavkar had to cede to the IN in Adm.Cursetji's tenure, years ago.
You still have not understood strategic trends; the Navy's budget did not go up just because MoD felt more generous than in the past....so you will be foolish to assume that IN "will always be first to take a hit" when funds go down.
You do not even seem to be reading the posts that you are attempting to reply to!!
My post spoke about the "percentage of funds (from the total Defence Budget) allocated to the Navy has been rising"
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Now read that again and digest what exactly that means
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Then you may consequently discern the Strategic reasons why that is happening.
 
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EXCLUSIVE: Navy initiates 'Look East' for lethal MiG29K

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Barring training and detachment duties, these fighters, till date, have remained at their home base INS Hansa in Goa when not embarked on aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya. Photo: PTI

Increasing Chinese presence in the Indian Ocean will soon have to put up with some mean company from the skies.

Two weeks ago the navy received orders to implement a tectonic shift. The most lethal fighters flying the Indian colours as on date, navy's MiG29K/KUB, will for the first time in over four years of their service, 'look east'. Preparations have begun to deploy and permanently base a full squadron (consisting 17 aircraft) of these fighters to strengthen the security of India's energy-rich and trade-wise vital, eastern seaboard. Next year onwards, these jets will make the naval airbase INS Dega, in Vishakapatnam, their home. Earlier this month, an initial sanction of Rs.450 crore was accorded for building related technical support and infrastructure facilities here.

Barring training and detachment duties, these fighters, till date, have remained at their home base INS Hansa in Goa when not embarked on aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya.

Basing the MiG29K/KUB in Vishakapatnam will not just provide a fillip to the immediate maritime security scenario but also bring closer the island territories in Andaman and Nicobar in addition to creating a ready window into the increasingly volatile south-east Asian waters. These multirole jets are designed to function without requiring an overhaul. They can fly over 1200 miles in a single sortie, which brings parts of north eastern states too under their reach, if the situation so demands. Their ability tank up mid-air only means that there will be no limit to their reach in areas where India is increasingly looking at joint exploration of offshore sites with friendly nations as also further up inland.

In the long term scenario, this move has been made also keeping in mind the arrival of the indigenously made aircraft carrier 'Vikrant', work on which is going on at the Cochin Shipyard Limited (CSL), Kochi. The 'Vikrant', which is being designed to carry a mix of MiG29K/KUBs and the naval version of the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas, is expected to commence her trials by the end of 2016 and will be the first aircraft carrier to operate under the Eastern Naval Command (ENC).

Unlike the Western Naval Command (WNC), which has its ships and aerial assets spread out across the coastline, the ENC enjoys the fruits of co-location of its dockyard and aerial assets at Vishakapatnam. "With the expansion of INS Dega, there will be an inherent ease making our training and operations more effective," said a senior naval officer.

INS DEGA

Conceived more than five years ago, the plan envisages a massive expansion of the airbase, in terms of size as well as capabilities. In the final scenario, from the present size of 1100 acres, the INS Dega will be spread out to over 1500 acres.

The volume of naval aviation that the airbase is slated to handle will bring it almost at par with the largest naval airbase INS Hansa. The workload will include accommodating the full squadron of MiG29K/KUBs as well as the Advanced Jet Trainer (AJT) Hawks, nine of which are already operational and eight more will arrive by June 2016, along with their required infrastructure and support set up. INS Dega will also field a large chunk of aircraft which form a part of future acquisitions like Multi Role Helicopter (MRH), 56 Naval Utility Helicopters, Naval Multi Role Helicopters (NMRH) as well as Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs).

At present, the INS Dega houses ship-based helicopters like the Kamov 28 Anti Submarine Warfare (ASW) and UH3H when the ships are in harbour, apart from the single-engine Chetak. In the fixed-wing category, it houses the trainer Hawk and Dornier, used for medium range reconnaissance and parachute training.

A parallel taxi track at the INS Dega is also in the offing which will cut down the runway occupancy time since the base shares space with a civil terminal where international airlines have already begun operating. "The construction will be such that we will, if required, use the track as a secondary runway for our fighters to land," said a senior naval officer.

It is pertinent to the note that the Indian Air Force (IAF) had only last year, commissioned and operationalised its base at Thanjavur in the Southern Air Command which will house its premier warplane, the Sukhoi 30MKI. In conjunction, these moves are bound to provide teeth to formations in the peninsular region as also enhance offshore security.

With the Singapore-based Silk Air commencing international civil flights to Vishakapatnam 2012, the navy, which owns and operates the civil terminal, converted the airport into a round-the-clock functional airport from January of this year.

MiG29K/KUB: A Profile
Fourth generation plus, air dominance fighter designed and manufactured by United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) in RussiaFirst ever flight took place in January 2007. Indian Navy was the first in the world to induct this aircraft in February 2010, even before Russian Navy India has contracted for a total 46 MiG29K/KUB aircraft Maximum speed achieved is 1370 MPH Service ceiling is above 57400 feet Fuel capacity for a single seater MiG29K is 4800 kg Smokeless engine Multi mode radar for range, air patrol, air to ground attack and weather information Reduced signature in radar range Eight external hard points for enhanced weapons load Can accommodate weapons of Russian-origin as well as those from the west.

Read more at: EXCLUSIVE: Navy initiates 'Look East' for lethal MiG29K : India, News - India Today
 
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Threat from china is growing and Pakistani centric mindset needs to change.
 
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@sancho @Capt.Popeye right now the IN's air wing is too small to be used for carrier operations, shore based training and coastal protection. When it has 15+ fighter SQDs (by the middle of the next decade) it will start taking over such roles from the IAF for protecting India's coastline with the IAF protecting India's skies above land and looking towards China and Pakistan. By then the IN's airbases will be ideally placed to undertake such duties given their inherent proximity to the coast and the relevant training imparted to the IN's naval aviators.


As for budgets I don't see any finical crunch coming the IAF's way- they have already stated they will be spending $150BN USD by 2025 on their modernisation. The IAF to date already enjoys the largest capital expenditure budget of all three forces. I do believe that the IN's budget will be increased over time but this will come at the cost of the IA's budgetary share and not the IAF's as the IA's current allocation is more than 50% of the entire defence budget. Anyway with the Indian economy set to see a new period of high growth funds for all three forces will be (in real terms) more than they have ever received before.

@Abingdonboy;
There are numerous assumptions in the post above. First of all, IN has foreseen a certain use of its air-wing as part of its Operational Doctrines. Air Defence of Peninsular India is NOT part of that.
The IN definitely does not want to take that on just as the IAF certainly does not want to cede that. But the IN wants more operational autonomy in use of its air assets, which the IAF has always sought to stymie, since they have this fear that it will impact their primacy as well as their budget.

Then you have made a certain assumption regarding any Financial Crunch, more so wrt to the IAF. What the IAF has quoted is the cost of their "wish-list", but it is not a given that it will not come under any budgetary pressures.
There will be pressures for sure; and most of all there will be pressures to ensure "Budget Optimisation" an attribute that the Armed Forces (albeit each in varying amounts) need to work on diligently. There will be far more questions as to where the last buck is going as well as getting the "biggest bang for the buck". That will impact the IAF to the greatest extent; while the IA will get hammered down most wrt to 'recurrent costs'.

Now for the first time in India; there is talk of "force projection" along with a an active "Look East Policy". This will then need to be coupled with a robust "Think East and Act East Plan".
How can that come into being?
That is why the noticeable trend of re-allocation of Budgetary percentages is happening; with good reasons for that too.
Now a new postulation of: 'The Himalayan conflict can be fought in the IOR' has been also articulated, again for the first time. And to the disbelief and consternation of some.
To understand Strategy; one needs 'to read between the lines'. And not of Newspaper reports at that.
 
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right now the IN's air wing is too small to be used for carrier operations, shore based training and coastal protection. When it has 15+ fighter SQDs

It won't because once they first need MoD approval for such a role which the IAF won't agree too and secondly they need more bases, to cover a larger costal area. Because they only are raising the bases for their carrier fighters now and not raise bases with coastal protection in mind. IAF on the other side is doing exactly that and is even planing with MMRCA squads sooner or later in these areas and these roles. We all know that IAF will never divert MKIs or MMRCAs to IN and it's doubtful that MoD will give IN any importance in that role with Migs and N-LCAs, when IAF has MKIs and MMRCAs in the same region and the bases in place soon. So if a change should come, IN must convince MoD that it's more useful for India to divert IAF's fighters to the eastern and western borders, while IN could take over coastal defence. It's simply not about diverting a squadron of maritime attack Jags anymore and IAF is pushing hard for the coastal defence now.

Nothing to with any biases; sancho miyan....... :)
Even the IAF fought tooth and nail to hold onto air assets in the past right upto just yesterday (in a manner of speaking) when ACM Browne fought his battles with MoD. And saw some of his prized toys going away to the IA.

Because they are used already by IA pilots and in support of IA operations and that's the crucial point!
IN pilots are not operating any IAF maritime attack fighters and more importantly, IAF is moving away from maritime attack alone with the Jags, to multi role operations with the upgraded Migs and MKIs now. Which puts them away from supporting IN, but to defenting Indian air space and borderlines, which is their prime area anyway.
That's why I said, IN has to push to get the maritime attack Jags, as they are used in support of IN operations, just as the combat helicopters are used in IA operations. That alone would make a major difference for IN, since it gets far more importance in defending Indian soil itself. When they have achived that, also including coastal air defence operations in future would be more realistic than what you dream of, taking over costal air defence from IAF completelly, without having anything as of now, neither the fighters, nor the bases, the support aircrafts..., that infact would be more comparable to IA taking over the whole helicopter fleet of IAF and not only the 2 squads of combat helicopters and even though most of us would support that, doesn't seem that MoD is going to change that or?

So lets not dream here, IA got combat helicopters, but didn't win as long as IAF still gets the same too (which itself is nonsense from MoD) and as long as IAF is still the prime user of the helicopter fleet.
Just as IN would make a good stepp forward if they get shore based fighters to support their own naval operations, while it's not realistic without major reforms that they will get the coastal defence (including air) from the IAF.

You still have not understood strategic trends;

On the contrary I do, but you are confusing "strategic" trends or growth of IN with more responsibility on Indian soil itself and that's simply wrong! As I said earlier, the growth of IN has only to do with the growing importance to project power beyond India and the seas around it. That's where the "strategic importance" comes up, but that has nothing to do with coastal defence! So IN's growing funds is needed to buy and develop SSNs SSBNs and carriers, not to buy additional fighters and raise new shore bases to take over the coastal defence role from IAF. That's where your bias is blinding you, because as I showed and what you generously ignored, whenever the defence budget needs to be corrected or reduced, it's not IAF nor IA that will be hit, but IN and that's exactly what the NDA government now did as well, which shows the importance of IN between the 3 forces.
 
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I think CBG is primarily used for power projection.In that sense fighters of IN would primarily used for protection of its assets from aerial threats and bringing airstriking on to the enemy shores.
 
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